(22 Aug 2014, 9:28 pm)Robert It varies, they obviously monitor loadings pretty carefully across the X30/X31/X70/X71 so they know what boards to allocate the Omnicities to and what boards to allocate the Presidents to. I think it should go back to full decker operation but again but maybe not new vehicles yet. See how well the services cope and see where things go from there.
(22 Aug 2014, 9:28 pm)Robert It varies, they obviously monitor loadings pretty carefully across the X30/X31/X70/X71 so they know what boards to allocate the Omnicities to and what boards to allocate the Presidents to. I think it should go back to full decker operation but again but maybe not new vehicles yet. See how well the services cope and see where things go from there.
(22 Aug 2014, 9:28 pm)Robert It varies, they obviously monitor loadings pretty carefully across the X30/X31/X70/X71 so they know what boards to allocate the Omnicities to and what boards to allocate the Presidents to. I think it should go back to full decker operation but again but maybe not new vehicles yet. See how well the services cope and see where things go from there.
(22 Aug 2014, 9:28 pm)Robert It varies, they obviously monitor loadings pretty carefully across the X30/X31/X70/X71 so they know what boards to allocate the Omnicities to and what boards to allocate the Presidents to. I think it should go back to full decker operation but again but maybe not new vehicles yet. See how well the services cope and see where things go from there.
(22 Aug 2014, 9:38 pm)Dan No...
It's down to poor allocating of buses - not the monitoring of services which have specific loadings.
ALL four boards on services X70/X71 should be allocated OmniCities.
ALL five boards on services X30/X31 should be allocated Dennis Tridents (3885-89, and if any are unavailable, the Lolynes).
ALL three boards on services 15/15A should be allocated Volvo B7TLs.
No Volvo Olympians should be allocated to normal commercial service work and won't for much longer...
(22 Aug 2014, 9:38 pm)Dan No...
It's down to poor allocating of buses - not the monitoring of services which have specific loadings.
ALL four boards on services X70/X71 should be allocated OmniCities.
ALL five boards on services X30/X31 should be allocated Dennis Tridents (3885-89, and if any are unavailable, the Lolynes).
ALL three boards on services 15/15A should be allocated Volvo B7TLs.
No Volvo Olympians should be allocated to normal commercial service work and won't for much longer...
(22 Aug 2014, 9:40 pm)Tom Yesterday was a mess then?Welcome to the world of Stanley allocations.
Three boards on the X70/X71 were allocated Volvo B10BLE's.
One board on the X30/X31 was allocated a B7TL, another a Olympian.
One board on the Diamond was allocated a Dennis Trident, two others B10BLE's.
One board on the Red Kite was allocated a Red Omnicity.
(22 Aug 2014, 9:40 pm)Tom Yesterday was a mess then?Welcome to the world of Stanley allocations.
Three boards on the X70/X71 were allocated Volvo B10BLE's.
One board on the X30/X31 was allocated a B7TL, another a Olympian.
One board on the Diamond was allocated a Dennis Trident, two others B10BLE's.
One board on the Red Kite was allocated a Red Omnicity.
(22 Aug 2014, 9:44 pm)Dan Welcome to the world of Stanley allocations.
They might not put branded vehicles out on the wrong services too frequently, but their corporate liveried vehicle allocations are just dreadful.
Stanley are like Percy Main. They like to put red OmniCitys out to cover for branded vehicles, but this comes at the detriment of services X70/X71 and 9 respectively - and then the allocations for every other service are affected as a result. These depots treat corporate liveried vehicles as red spares, and they shouldn't because management has decided that they want those red buses to be allocated to a specfic service and not to act as a spare for every service at that depot.
(22 Aug 2014, 9:44 pm)Dan Welcome to the world of Stanley allocations.
They might not put branded vehicles out on the wrong services too frequently, but their corporate liveried vehicle allocations are just dreadful.
Stanley are like Percy Main. They like to put red OmniCitys out to cover for branded vehicles, but this comes at the detriment of services X70/X71 and 9 respectively - and then the allocations for every other service are affected as a result. These depots treat corporate liveried vehicles as red spares, and they shouldn't because management has decided that they want those red buses to be allocated to a specfic service and not to act as a spare for every service at that depot.
(22 Aug 2014, 9:46 pm)Tom I didn't actually realise Stanley was that bad!When push comes to shove, they're not, in comparison to the likes of Riverside, where branded vehicles are the issue opposed to corporate liveried vehicles.
If 5337/5338 were also allocated to the Diamond, then there were at least five Citaros VOR?
(22 Aug 2014, 9:46 pm)Tom I didn't actually realise Stanley was that bad!When push comes to shove, they're not, in comparison to the likes of Riverside, where branded vehicles are the issue opposed to corporate liveried vehicles.
If 5337/5338 were also allocated to the Diamond, then there were at least five Citaros VOR?
(22 Aug 2014, 9:38 pm)Dan No...
It's down to poor allocating of buses - not the monitoring of services which have specific loadings.
ALL four boards on services X70/X71 should be allocated OmniCities.
ALL five boards on services X30/X31 should be allocated Dennis Tridents (3885-89, and if any are unavailable, the Lolynes).
ALL three boards on services 15/15A should be allocated Volvo B7TLs.
No Volvo Olympians should be allocated to normal commercial service work and won't for much longer (or at least the chances will dramatically decrease for the next few months, until they are all withdrawn)...
(22 Aug 2014, 9:38 pm)Dan No...
It's down to poor allocating of buses - not the monitoring of services which have specific loadings.
ALL four boards on services X70/X71 should be allocated OmniCities.
ALL five boards on services X30/X31 should be allocated Dennis Tridents (3885-89, and if any are unavailable, the Lolynes).
ALL three boards on services 15/15A should be allocated Volvo B7TLs.
No Volvo Olympians should be allocated to normal commercial service work and won't for much longer (or at least the chances will dramatically decrease for the next few months, until they are all withdrawn)...
(22 Aug 2014, 10:01 pm)Robert So, how come the 08:17 X30 departure from Stanley was ALWAYS operated by an omnicity (and could still be, havent seen that working lately for obvious reasons)? Seems a bit too coincidental that the same board gets the 'spare' for weeks on end. (And that bus stays on aswell).
Also forgot to add that before the Schools broke up 1 President (Trident, not a B7) used to do scholars then head back up to Consett, presumably to operate services X70/X71.
Things may be different now its School Holidays but on School Days that is what occurred.
(22 Aug 2014, 10:01 pm)Robert So, how come the 08:17 X30 departure from Stanley was ALWAYS operated by an omnicity (and could still be, havent seen that working lately for obvious reasons)? Seems a bit too coincidental that the same board gets the 'spare' for weeks on end. (And that bus stays on aswell).
Also forgot to add that before the Schools broke up 1 President (Trident, not a B7) used to do scholars then head back up to Consett, presumably to operate services X70/X71.
Things may be different now its School Holidays but on School Days that is what occurred.
(23 Aug 2014, 5:53 am)Dan I don't know why it happened, but all I can tell you is that it shouldn't have happened, providing the allocation has not changed for reasons unbeknown to me (and you'll just have to take my word on that one as I can't prove this to you). I'm not sure what systems are in place to monitor odd workings (especially corporate liveried vehicles at that), but as soon as management are made aware that Stanley are doing what they like instead of going by the allocations management has set, they will have words.
Aureolin has said this before: who is in charge of the company? Not those on depot level...
The scholar services, so far as I can remember, do not interwork with services X70/X71. Buses are scheduled to head to Consett to act as spare buses, and I'm inclined to suggest this has happened here too - but again, this should have been a Volvo Olympian (won't be in a week's time) and this is showing Stanley's poor allocations.
Percy Main should not have been allocating the Centurion Volvo B10BLEs to service 9, but they did... So much so, enthusiasts deemed it a normal working and customerd ended up referring to the 9's allocation on GNE's Social Media pages as the 'yellow buses'. Management had to go to the cost of repainting these buses as a result, after more than a few complaints...
(23 Aug 2014, 5:53 am)Dan I don't know why it happened, but all I can tell you is that it shouldn't have happened, providing the allocation has not changed for reasons unbeknown to me (and you'll just have to take my word on that one as I can't prove this to you). I'm not sure what systems are in place to monitor odd workings (especially corporate liveried vehicles at that), but as soon as management are made aware that Stanley are doing what they like instead of going by the allocations management has set, they will have words.
Aureolin has said this before: who is in charge of the company? Not those on depot level...
The scholar services, so far as I can remember, do not interwork with services X70/X71. Buses are scheduled to head to Consett to act as spare buses, and I'm inclined to suggest this has happened here too - but again, this should have been a Volvo Olympian (won't be in a week's time) and this is showing Stanley's poor allocations.
Percy Main should not have been allocating the Centurion Volvo B10BLEs to service 9, but they did... So much so, enthusiasts deemed it a normal working and customerd ended up referring to the 9's allocation on GNE's Social Media pages as the 'yellow buses'. Management had to go to the cost of repainting these buses as a result, after more than a few complaints...
(23 Aug 2014, 8:14 am)Andreos Constantopolous If management are unhappy at the depot allocations, then there is an easy solution.
It just takes a few senior management plonked by the side of the road noting the 'improper' workings.
Rather than take the depots word as gospel, proof of breakdown, maintenance etc needs to be provided.
If proof cant be provided or the reasoning isn't good enough - then impose some sort of penalty to the depot.
Similarly, those meeting or exceeding certain performance standards can be rewarded somehow.
If the reward/penalty is financial - we may start seeing improvements.
Similarly, if a depot or staff start losing out, due to the allocator continually allocating incorrectly, I am sure peer pressure will come into play.
The company shouldn't be forced to repaint and incur extra painting costs, due to someone's incompetence.
I have a slight feeling the Percy Main repaints weren't done, just because of the incompetence though.
Disciplinary action is cheaper.
(23 Aug 2014, 8:14 am)Andreos Constantopolous If management are unhappy at the depot allocations, then there is an easy solution.
It just takes a few senior management plonked by the side of the road noting the 'improper' workings.
Rather than take the depots word as gospel, proof of breakdown, maintenance etc needs to be provided.
If proof cant be provided or the reasoning isn't good enough - then impose some sort of penalty to the depot.
Similarly, those meeting or exceeding certain performance standards can be rewarded somehow.
If the reward/penalty is financial - we may start seeing improvements.
Similarly, if a depot or staff start losing out, due to the allocator continually allocating incorrectly, I am sure peer pressure will come into play.
The company shouldn't be forced to repaint and incur extra painting costs, due to someone's incompetence.
I have a slight feeling the Percy Main repaints weren't done, just because of the incompetence though.
Disciplinary action is cheaper.
(23 Aug 2014, 5:53 am)Dan I don't know why it happened, but all I can tell you is that it shouldn't have happened (and you'll just have to take my word on that one as I can't prove this to you). I'm not sure what systems are in place to monitor odd workings (especially corporate liveried vehicles at that), but as soon as management are made aware that Stanley are doing what they like instead of going by the allocations management has set, they will have words.
Aureolin has said this before: who is in charge of the company? Not those on depot level...
The scholar services, so far as I can remember, do not interwork with services X70/X71. Buses are scheduled to head to Consett to act as spare buses, and I'm inclined to suggest this has happened here too - but again, this should have been a Volvo Olympian (won't be in a week's time) and this is showing Stanley's poor allocations.
Percy Main should not have been allocating the Centurion Volvo B10BLEs to service 9, but they did... So much so, enthusiasts deemed it a normal working and customerd ended up referring to the 9's allocation on GNE's Social Media pages as the 'yellow buses'. Management had to go to the cost of repainting these buses as a result, after more than a few complaints...
(23 Aug 2014, 5:53 am)Dan I don't know why it happened, but all I can tell you is that it shouldn't have happened (and you'll just have to take my word on that one as I can't prove this to you). I'm not sure what systems are in place to monitor odd workings (especially corporate liveried vehicles at that), but as soon as management are made aware that Stanley are doing what they like instead of going by the allocations management has set, they will have words.
Aureolin has said this before: who is in charge of the company? Not those on depot level...
The scholar services, so far as I can remember, do not interwork with services X70/X71. Buses are scheduled to head to Consett to act as spare buses, and I'm inclined to suggest this has happened here too - but again, this should have been a Volvo Olympian (won't be in a week's time) and this is showing Stanley's poor allocations.
Percy Main should not have been allocating the Centurion Volvo B10BLEs to service 9, but they did... So much so, enthusiasts deemed it a normal working and customerd ended up referring to the 9's allocation on GNE's Social Media pages as the 'yellow buses'. Management had to go to the cost of repainting these buses as a result, after more than a few complaints...
(23 Aug 2014, 9:33 am)Robert Service 822 was always a President and headed up to Consett. Wasnt always but it was very rare that it was an Olympian. Again, i just cant find that putting the same sort of bus on the same route for weeks on end, just like the omnicity. Doubt Percy Main (or any other depot) could do it so why can Stanley? Sorry for all this but as im saying in these posts, its very coincidental that the same thing keeps happening over and over again which could (and does (to me)) suggest that its a normal working and does run onto services X70/X71. Same with the Omnicity, the amount of consecutive weeks one has appeared on the same board it may aswell be classed as a normal working.
(23 Aug 2014, 9:33 am)Robert Service 822 was always a President and headed up to Consett. Wasnt always but it was very rare that it was an Olympian. Again, i just cant find that putting the same sort of bus on the same route for weeks on end, just like the omnicity. Doubt Percy Main (or any other depot) could do it so why can Stanley? Sorry for all this but as im saying in these posts, its very coincidental that the same thing keeps happening over and over again which could (and does (to me)) suggest that its a normal working and does run onto services X70/X71. Same with the Omnicity, the amount of consecutive weeks one has appeared on the same board it may aswell be classed as a normal working.
(23 Aug 2014, 9:53 am)Dan If this is the case, then all I can suggest is that they've changed the boards for reasons unbeknown to myself... It's certainly an odd one, but sheer lack of competence with allocations (especially with corporate liveried vehicles as mentioned before) is not new, which still puts doubt in my mind that things have changed.
Nevertheless; with the upcoming changes to the scholar services in Stanley, things could change again in the upcoming academic year. Stanley will have fewer Olympians from September, and their entire fleet of remaining Olympians will be depleted ready for the Spring term.
(23 Aug 2014, 9:53 am)Dan If this is the case, then all I can suggest is that they've changed the boards for reasons unbeknown to myself... It's certainly an odd one, but sheer lack of competence with allocations (especially with corporate liveried vehicles as mentioned before) is not new, which still puts doubt in my mind that things have changed.
Nevertheless; with the upcoming changes to the scholar services in Stanley, things could change again in the upcoming academic year. Stanley will have fewer Olympians from September, and their entire fleet of remaining Olympians will be depleted ready for the Spring term.
If you still can't help but wonder why the X93 is often late, one reason is people driving at 30mph down the A171 we were stuck behind a VW camper van after we got out of Whitby and they were doing 30mph except on hills where the speed went down to 15mph, we eventually got past them and then we got stuck behind a tractor.
Oh also entering a multi story car park two people were walking up the ramp entering the car park and we beeped the horn and they told us to simmer down.
(23 Aug 2014, 8:23 pm)Michael Dr who... was fucking terrible
