5333 was sitting in Peterlee bus station on Wednesday morning.
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(30 Oct 2014, 7:16 pm)durhambusman 5333 was sitting in Peterlee bus station on Wednesday morning.
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(30 Oct 2014, 7:16 pm)durhambusman 5333 was sitting in Peterlee bus station on Wednesday morning.
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(30 Oct 2014, 8:08 pm)tyresmoke Not another one broken? 5334 and 5336 were both sat in Middlesbrough at 1705, I'm guessing one was a changeover for the other, thereby presuming the 1610 X7 didn't run
(30 Oct 2014, 8:08 pm)tyresmoke Not another one broken? 5334 and 5336 were both sat in Middlesbrough at 1705, I'm guessing one was a changeover for the other, thereby presuming the 1610 X7 didn't run
(30 Oct 2014, 9:21 pm)Dan Another one? Repeat offenders, more like.
5333 was out on road test, which is why it was at Peterlee, as I had said yesterday here. Clearly it needed work on route.
5336 has also been VOR for the same reason as 5333 since mid-September, and clearly they pushed to get it back out into service a bit too soon.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:21 pm)Dan Another one? Repeat offenders, more like.
5333 was out on road test, which is why it was at Peterlee, as I had said yesterday here. Clearly it needed work on route.
5336 has also been VOR for the same reason as 5333 since mid-September, and clearly they pushed to get it back out into service a bit too soon.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:25 pm)aureolin Have 5333 and 5336 had problems for very long? It can't be good having issues with 50% of the X7 fleet, when there's some a lot of competition on route nowadays. I somehow can't see it dragging on for as long as the problems on the 20 have for example.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:25 pm)aureolin Have 5333 and 5336 had problems for very long? It can't be good having issues with 50% of the X7 fleet, when there's some a lot of competition on route nowadays. I somehow can't see it dragging on for as long as the problems on the 20 have for example.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:25 pm)aureolin Have 5333 and 5336 had problems for very long? It can't be good having issues with 50% of the X7 fleet, when there's some a lot of competition on route nowadays. I somehow can't see it dragging on for as long as the problems on the 20 have for example.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:28 pm)Tom Saw the 1415ish X21 today, and it had about 10 passengers coming in, and 12 passengers going out. No idea about the X7, but has it been affected much by the X21?
(30 Oct 2014, 9:25 pm)aureolin Have 5333 and 5336 had problems for very long? It can't be good having issues with 50% of the X7 fleet, when there's some a lot of competition on route nowadays. I somehow can't see it dragging on for as long as the problems on the 20 have for example.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:28 pm)Tom Saw the 1415ish X21 today, and it had about 10 passengers coming in, and 12 passengers going out. No idea about the X7, but has it been affected much by the X21?
(30 Oct 2014, 9:38 pm)Dan I believe both have been VOR since mid-September. Peterlee had a Volvo B10BLE and a Scania L94UB to cover all of last month but have only really had a Scania L94UB this month (I'm guessing they've needed the 'extra' bus). Obviously if Deptford have quite a few problems of their own, paired with the fact there's now greater competition on the route (either from the new vehicles on Arriva's service 23 or indeed the new X21 service), they're going to want to get the Mercs back on the road as soon as they can. I think it's been more so an issue of awaiting various parts more than anything else, though I'm not 100% and someone else may be able to confirm...
The situation with the Wear Tees Xpress cannot be compared to the Prince Bishops. The issues with the Mercs have been mechanical and that's why they've had to receive new parts. The apparent issues with the Scania L94s (in most cases) are not mechanical at all; indeed, the most common reason for the "Prince Bishops" branded allocation to be VOR is for their monthly checks. There has been a Scania L94UB which has required an engine overhaul recently, which is a mechanical fault, and was VOR for a period of approximately three months, but this has now returned to service. With a higher PVR and no branded spare vehicles, the missing vehicles are a lot more noticeable. Deptford's allocations are also rather fluid - indeed corporate liveried vehicles are often swapped around and put out onto different services on the grounds of suitability or contractual requirements. Without repeating the points I've made on several occasions prior to this post, it is quite easy to assume that if a vehicle is VOR it's going to be for a mechanical reason. This is not true, and I think most of us will know this as I've banged on about it more than DaveyBowyer has banged on about the Red Arrows getting new buses this year.
Not particularly.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:38 pm)Dan I believe both have been VOR since mid-September. Peterlee had a Volvo B10BLE and a Scania L94UB to cover all of last month but have only really had a Scania L94UB this month (I'm guessing they've needed the 'extra' bus). Obviously if Deptford have quite a few problems of their own, paired with the fact there's now greater competition on the route (either from the new vehicles on Arriva's service 23 or indeed the new X21 service), they're going to want to get the Mercs back on the road as soon as they can. I think it's been more so an issue of awaiting various parts more than anything else, though I'm not 100% and someone else may be able to confirm...
The situation with the Wear Tees Xpress cannot be compared to the Prince Bishops. The issues with the Mercs have been mechanical and that's why they've had to receive new parts. The apparent issues with the Scania L94s (in most cases) are not mechanical at all; indeed, the most common reason for the "Prince Bishops" branded allocation to be VOR is for their monthly checks. There has been a Scania L94UB which has required an engine overhaul recently, which is a mechanical fault, and was VOR for a period of approximately three months, but this has now returned to service. With a higher PVR and no branded spare vehicles, the missing vehicles are a lot more noticeable. Deptford's allocations are also rather fluid - indeed corporate liveried vehicles are often swapped around and put out onto different services on the grounds of suitability or contractual requirements. Without repeating the points I've made on several occasions prior to this post, it is quite easy to assume that if a vehicle is VOR it's going to be for a mechanical reason. This is not true, and I think most of us will know this as I've banged on about it more than DaveyBowyer has banged on about the Red Arrows getting new buses this year.
Not particularly.
It did make me chuckle when I read it at the time.
Just to clarify, there is nothing beloved about those purple Solars.
Starting to understand how gtom felt about the DAF's.
Mind, for all their faults, issues with condensation and breakdowns - they had cracking wing mirrors!
(30 Oct 2014, 9:41 pm)Andreos1 It's not those pesky wing mirrors again?
#missingpurplesolars
#wingmirrorissues
#hashtagsonNEB.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:59 pm)Andreos1 It did make me chuckle when I read it at the time.
Just to clarify, there is nothing beloved about those purple Solars.
Starting to understand how gtom felt about the DAF's.
Mind, for all their faults, issues with condensation and breakdowns - they had cracking wing mirrors!
(30 Oct 2014, 9:59 pm)Andreos1 It did make me chuckle when I read it at the time.
Just to clarify, there is nothing beloved about those purple Solars.
Starting to understand how gtom felt about the DAF's.
Mind, for all their faults, issues with condensation and breakdowns - they had cracking wing mirrors!
(30 Oct 2014, 9:56 pm)aureolin It wasn't for a like for like comparison of the actual issues causing the VORs, but more so a statement that perhaps GNE won't want the issues to go on for as long as those with the Prince Bishops have been. Prince Bishops has no direct competition, and people are going to use it, whether it be a Solar or cattle truck that turns up. If vehicles that customers perceive to be 'clapped out old things' keep turning up on the X7, then they have the option to have a ride out on an EcoCity instead.
(30 Oct 2014, 10:00 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Speaking of Wing Mirrors, Keep a look out for Deptfords Citaros, There is a right Mix 'N' Match in terms of Coloured Wing Mirrors on them.
(30 Oct 2014, 10:00 pm)Tom Lets be honest, if this was Arriva, it would be totally different... People wouldn't be making excuses like they do for GNE.
(30 Oct 2014, 9:56 pm)aureolin It wasn't for a like for like comparison of the actual issues causing the VORs, but more so a statement that perhaps GNE won't want the issues to go on for as long as those with the Prince Bishops have been. Prince Bishops has no direct competition, and people are going to use it, whether it be a Solar or cattle truck that turns up. If vehicles that customers perceive to be 'clapped out old things' keep turning up on the X7, then they have the option to have a ride out on an EcoCity instead.
(30 Oct 2014, 10:00 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Speaking of Wing Mirrors, Keep a look out for Deptfords Citaros, There is a right Mix 'N' Match in terms of Coloured Wing Mirrors on them.
(30 Oct 2014, 10:00 pm)Tom Lets be honest, if this was Arriva, it would be totally different... People wouldn't be making excuses like they do for GNE.
(30 Oct 2014, 8:08 pm)tyresmoke Not another one broken? 5334 and 5336 were both sat in Middlesbrough at 1705, I'm guessing one was a changeover for the other, thereby presuming the 1610 X7 didn't run
(30 Oct 2014, 8:08 pm)tyresmoke Not another one broken? 5334 and 5336 were both sat in Middlesbrough at 1705, I'm guessing one was a changeover for the other, thereby presuming the 1610 X7 didn't run
(30 Oct 2014, 10:01 pm)Dan But what are the alleged issues on the Prince Bishops?
The main reason for buses to be absent from service is so the bus can have its monthly check. It would be irrational to suggest that, just because there is competition on the X7 route, Go North East isn't going to give the "Wear Tees Xpress" buses a monthly check...
(30 Oct 2014, 10:01 pm)Dan But what are the alleged issues on the Prince Bishops?
The main reason for buses to be absent from service is so the bus can have its monthly check. It would be irrational to suggest that, just because there is competition on the X7 route, Go North East isn't going to give the "Wear Tees Xpress" buses a monthly check...
(30 Oct 2014, 10:02 pm)citaro5284 Are we sure about this....looking at the data 5334 operated the 1510 out of Boro, 1643 out of Sunderland, 1820 out of Boro. 5336 operated the 1720 out of Boro. I have no data for 5335 and 5333 has been on staff shuttles all day.
The X7 seems to have had its proper allocation at run out this morning.
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(30 Oct 2014, 10:02 pm)citaro5284 Are we sure about this....looking at the data 5334 operated the 1510 out of Boro, 1643 out of Sunderland, 1820 out of Boro. 5336 operated the 1720 out of Boro. I have no data for 5335 and 5333 has been on staff shuttles all day.
The X7 seems to have had its proper allocation at run out this morning.
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(30 Oct 2014, 10:07 pm)aureolin I can't think of a day in the past three weeks that I haven't seen at least one red spare in use on the Prince Bishops. If it's frequent enough for me to notice, I'd say it's more than a vehicle being taken out of service for a monthly check, but not arguing that that will sometimes be the reason a vehicle is absent.
(30 Oct 2014, 10:07 pm)aureolin I can't think of a day in the past three weeks that I haven't seen at least one red spare in use on the Prince Bishops. If it's frequent enough for me to notice, I'd say it's more than a vehicle being taken out of service for a monthly check, but not arguing that that will sometimes be the reason a vehicle is absent.
(30 Oct 2014, 10:18 pm)Andreos1 Don't forget the reasons given by the GNE fb bod when one doesn't turn up nor the several breakdowns I have seen by the side of the road with their hazards on.
(30 Oct 2014, 10:18 pm)Andreos1 Don't forget the reasons given by the GNE fb bod when one doesn't turn up nor the several breakdowns I have seen by the side of the road with their hazards on.
Fitters in orange outfits, passengers being moved on to the bus behind, bonnets being open, a bus being parked up with its hazards on an hour after driving past initially, parked on the path outside St Michaels in Houghton...
Aye, says it all... :s