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13 Feb 2015, 7:32 pm #361
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(13 Feb 2015, 7:29 pm)Tommy_1581 Ah, might keep the X23 going past, possibly serving if the estate is "bus friendly".
Would imagine it would be, I had a look at the proposal, because I'm nosy like that, and one of the main "points" was that there would be convenient bus services.
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13 Feb 2015, 7:32 pm #361

(13 Feb 2015, 7:29 pm)Tommy_1581 Ah, might keep the X23 going past, possibly serving if the estate is "bus friendly".
Would imagine it would be, I had a look at the proposal, because I'm nosy like that, and one of the main "points" was that there would be convenient bus services.

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13 Feb 2015, 7:37 pm #362
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(13 Feb 2015, 7:32 pm)mb134 Would imagine it would be, I had a look at the proposal, because I'm nosy like that, and one of the main "points" was that there would be convenient bus services.

Yeah, the current X22 would go up past the new county hall, turn down the south entrance road to Asda , then park in a north-facing stand. 

It will knock a few minutes of the journey, possibly the X22 PVR could be reduced, as at the current ABS, once a X22 leaves, another arrives.

Also, it'll stop the OAPs moaning about walking to Sports Direct to get their Morpeth 35/a.

Edit: Whoops, I thought you were looking at the Ashington proposals!  Big Grin
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13 Feb 2015, 7:37 pm #362

(13 Feb 2015, 7:32 pm)mb134 Would imagine it would be, I had a look at the proposal, because I'm nosy like that, and one of the main "points" was that there would be convenient bus services.

Yeah, the current X22 would go up past the new county hall, turn down the south entrance road to Asda , then park in a north-facing stand. 

It will knock a few minutes of the journey, possibly the X22 PVR could be reduced, as at the current ABS, once a X22 leaves, another arrives.

Also, it'll stop the OAPs moaning about walking to Sports Direct to get their Morpeth 35/a.

Edit: Whoops, I thought you were looking at the Ashington proposals!  Big Grin

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13 Feb 2015, 7:57 pm #363
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(13 Feb 2015, 7:37 pm)Tommy_1581 Yeah, the current X22 would go up past the new county hall, turn down the south entrance road to Asda , then park in a north-facing stand. 

It will knock a few minutes of the journey, possibly the X22 PVR could be reduced, as at the current ABS, once a X22 leaves, another arrives.

Also, it'll stop the OAPs moaning about walking to Sports Direct to get their Morpeth 35/a.

Edit: Whoops, I thought you were looking at the Ashington proposals!  Big Grin
Just had a look through the proposal (Ashington) and I don't really understand how it'll work, will they have to change the current routes?
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13 Feb 2015, 7:57 pm #363

(13 Feb 2015, 7:37 pm)Tommy_1581 Yeah, the current X22 would go up past the new county hall, turn down the south entrance road to Asda , then park in a north-facing stand. 

It will knock a few minutes of the journey, possibly the X22 PVR could be reduced, as at the current ABS, once a X22 leaves, another arrives.

Also, it'll stop the OAPs moaning about walking to Sports Direct to get their Morpeth 35/a.

Edit: Whoops, I thought you were looking at the Ashington proposals!  Big Grin
Just had a look through the proposal (Ashington) and I don't really understand how it'll work, will they have to change the current routes?

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13 Feb 2015, 8:24 pm #364
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(13 Feb 2015, 7:57 pm)mb134 Just had a look through the proposal (Ashington) and I don't really understand how it'll work, will they have to change the current routes?

I had a conversation with a supervisor at ABS, and he isn't even aware of the new plans, I've told him that they'll be nowhere for him and the drivers to be, if them shelters haven't got an office inside!
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13 Feb 2015, 8:24 pm #364

(13 Feb 2015, 7:57 pm)mb134 Just had a look through the proposal (Ashington) and I don't really understand how it'll work, will they have to change the current routes?

I had a conversation with a supervisor at ABS, and he isn't even aware of the new plans, I've told him that they'll be nowhere for him and the drivers to be, if them shelters haven't got an office inside!

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17 Feb 2015, 11:48 am #365
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Just been thinking, could Arriva launch a route to compete with GNE's 19? 

As Arriva dominate the area that the long 19's go into would it not be wise to gain more custom by expanding to more places?
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17 Feb 2015, 11:48 am #365

Just been thinking, could Arriva launch a route to compete with GNE's 19? 

As Arriva dominate the area that the long 19's go into would it not be wise to gain more custom by expanding to more places?

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17 Feb 2015, 4:17 pm #366
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(17 Feb 2015, 11:48 am)mb134 Just been thinking, could Arriva launch a route to compete with GNE's 19? 

As Arriva dominate the area that the long 19's go into would it not be wise to gain more custom by expanding to more places?

Not sure, but I think they need to do something to up their game.

I had been wondering if they could extend some of their services over the river into Gateshead.
Apart from the X2, the last regular service in there may have been the Clara Vale route way back when.

If they extend into Gateshead, it may assist the X2 and add numbers in the way of punters who hop on any service over the river.
Depending which services they extend, it 'may' take passengers off the Metro

So it could be a route which competes with the 19, but extends into Gateshead, either as a new service or amalgamation of an existing one.

Not sure we will see anything to the Metrocentre very soon like.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
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17 Feb 2015, 4:17 pm #366

(17 Feb 2015, 11:48 am)mb134 Just been thinking, could Arriva launch a route to compete with GNE's 19? 

As Arriva dominate the area that the long 19's go into would it not be wise to gain more custom by expanding to more places?

Not sure, but I think they need to do something to up their game.

I had been wondering if they could extend some of their services over the river into Gateshead.
Apart from the X2, the last regular service in there may have been the Clara Vale route way back when.

If they extend into Gateshead, it may assist the X2 and add numbers in the way of punters who hop on any service over the river.
Depending which services they extend, it 'may' take passengers off the Metro

So it could be a route which competes with the 19, but extends into Gateshead, either as a new service or amalgamation of an existing one.

Not sure we will see anything to the Metrocentre very soon like.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

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17 Feb 2015, 4:28 pm #367
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(17 Feb 2015, 11:48 am)mb134 Just been thinking, could Arriva launch a route to compete with GNE's 19? 

As Arriva dominate the area that the long 19's go into would it not be wise to gain more custom by expanding to more places?

I've always believed that there's a bit of tension between GNE and ANE in Ashington.

Arriva retimed the X22 to the same time as GNE 19, possibly to attract passengers onto the X22 to Bedlington.
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17 Feb 2015, 4:28 pm #367

(17 Feb 2015, 11:48 am)mb134 Just been thinking, could Arriva launch a route to compete with GNE's 19? 

As Arriva dominate the area that the long 19's go into would it not be wise to gain more custom by expanding to more places?

I've always believed that there's a bit of tension between GNE and ANE in Ashington.

Arriva retimed the X22 to the same time as GNE 19, possibly to attract passengers onto the X22 to Bedlington.

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17 Feb 2015, 4:42 pm #368
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(17 Feb 2015, 4:17 pm)Andreos1 Not sure, but I think they need to do something to up their game.

I had been wondering if they could extend some of their services over the river into Gateshead.
Apart from the X2, the last regular service in there may have been the Clara Vale route way back when.

If they extend into Gateshead, it may assist the X2 and add numbers in the way of punters who hop on any service over the river.
Depending which services they extend, it 'may' take passengers off the Metro

So it could be a route which competes with the 19, but extends into Gateshead, either as a new service or amalgamation of an existing one.

Not sure we will see anything to the Metrocentre very soon like.
I'd like to see an Arriva expansion. As I live somewhere with no GNE service, if I wanted to go to most places south of the Tyne I'd need to buy two Teencard singles then maybe a GNE day ticket then use my Teencard to get home, costing quite a bit for something that if Arriva operated the services, would cost far less.

Edit: I also don't see what the problem would be in trying, they've got cascades coming from London every year and if there was expansion up here I'm sure they would be able to source additional vehicles, in order to run competing services. This is a massive company we're talking about, I'm sure they wouldn't miss the money if it did fail, but surely there is a lot more to gain?
Edited 17 Feb 2015, 4:44 pm by mb134.
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17 Feb 2015, 4:42 pm #368

(17 Feb 2015, 4:17 pm)Andreos1 Not sure, but I think they need to do something to up their game.

I had been wondering if they could extend some of their services over the river into Gateshead.
Apart from the X2, the last regular service in there may have been the Clara Vale route way back when.

If they extend into Gateshead, it may assist the X2 and add numbers in the way of punters who hop on any service over the river.
Depending which services they extend, it 'may' take passengers off the Metro

So it could be a route which competes with the 19, but extends into Gateshead, either as a new service or amalgamation of an existing one.

Not sure we will see anything to the Metrocentre very soon like.
I'd like to see an Arriva expansion. As I live somewhere with no GNE service, if I wanted to go to most places south of the Tyne I'd need to buy two Teencard singles then maybe a GNE day ticket then use my Teencard to get home, costing quite a bit for something that if Arriva operated the services, would cost far less.

Edit: I also don't see what the problem would be in trying, they've got cascades coming from London every year and if there was expansion up here I'm sure they would be able to source additional vehicles, in order to run competing services. This is a massive company we're talking about, I'm sure they wouldn't miss the money if it did fail, but surely there is a lot more to gain?

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17 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm #369
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Here's a few suggestions, following on from earlier:
Operating from Jesmond:
Service 311: Newcastle-Coast Road- Silverlink Roundabout- Tyne Tunnel- Jarrow- South Shields
Service 312: South Shields- Cleadon- Monkwearmouth- Sunderland Park Lane
Service X3: Newcastle- Gateshead- A184- A19- Stadium Of Light- Sunderland Park Lane

Operating from Belmont:
Service 2:Newcastle- Gateshead- Team Valley- Sunniside- Marley Hill- Hobson- Dipton- Consett- Shotley Bridge (Hospital)
Service 3: Durham Bus Station- Lanchester- Consett
Service 4: Consett- Stanley- Beamish- Chester-le-Street

Thoughts?
mb134
17 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm #369

Here's a few suggestions, following on from earlier:
Operating from Jesmond:
Service 311: Newcastle-Coast Road- Silverlink Roundabout- Tyne Tunnel- Jarrow- South Shields
Service 312: South Shields- Cleadon- Monkwearmouth- Sunderland Park Lane
Service X3: Newcastle- Gateshead- A184- A19- Stadium Of Light- Sunderland Park Lane

Operating from Belmont:
Service 2:Newcastle- Gateshead- Team Valley- Sunniside- Marley Hill- Hobson- Dipton- Consett- Shotley Bridge (Hospital)
Service 3: Durham Bus Station- Lanchester- Consett
Service 4: Consett- Stanley- Beamish- Chester-le-Street

Thoughts?

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17 Feb 2015, 7:04 pm #370
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(17 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm)mb134 Here's a few suggestions, following on from earlier:
Operating from Jesmond:
Service 311: Newcastle-Coast Road- Silverlink Roundabout- Tyne Tunnel- Jarrow- South Shields
Service 312: South Shields- Cleadon- Monkwearmouth- Sunderland Park Lane
Service X3: Newcastle- Gateshead- A184- A19- Stadium Of Light- Sunderland Park Lane

Operating from Belmont:
Service 2:Newcastle- Gateshead- Team Valley- Sunniside- Marley Hill- Hobson- Dipton- Consett- Shotley Bridge (Hospital)
Service 3: Durham Bus Station- Lanchester- Consett
Service 4: Consett- Stanley- Beamish- Chester-le-Street

Thoughts?

I don't think GNE will be happy if Arriva start running on there "turf".
If Arriva do start, at least the places it'll serve will be getting new buses from GNE!
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17 Feb 2015, 7:04 pm #370

(17 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm)mb134 Here's a few suggestions, following on from earlier:
Operating from Jesmond:
Service 311: Newcastle-Coast Road- Silverlink Roundabout- Tyne Tunnel- Jarrow- South Shields
Service 312: South Shields- Cleadon- Monkwearmouth- Sunderland Park Lane
Service X3: Newcastle- Gateshead- A184- A19- Stadium Of Light- Sunderland Park Lane

Operating from Belmont:
Service 2:Newcastle- Gateshead- Team Valley- Sunniside- Marley Hill- Hobson- Dipton- Consett- Shotley Bridge (Hospital)
Service 3: Durham Bus Station- Lanchester- Consett
Service 4: Consett- Stanley- Beamish- Chester-le-Street

Thoughts?

I don't think GNE will be happy if Arriva start running on there "turf".
If Arriva do start, at least the places it'll serve will be getting new buses from GNE!

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17 Feb 2015, 7:18 pm #371
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(17 Feb 2015, 7:04 pm)Tommy_1581 I don't think GNE will be happy if Arriva start running on there "turf".
If Arriva do start, at least the places it'll serve will be getting new buses from GNE!

GNE may not be happy, but passengers would be. 

I imagine if Arriva did invade, they would use half decent buses, and use London cascades on services in areas that they already have a monopoly on.
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17 Feb 2015, 7:18 pm #371

(17 Feb 2015, 7:04 pm)Tommy_1581 I don't think GNE will be happy if Arriva start running on there "turf".
If Arriva do start, at least the places it'll serve will be getting new buses from GNE!

GNE may not be happy, but passengers would be. 

I imagine if Arriva did invade, they would use half decent buses, and use London cascades on services in areas that they already have a monopoly on.

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17 Feb 2015, 7:22 pm #372
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(17 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm)mb134 Here's a few suggestions, following on from earlier:
Operating from Jesmond:
Service 311: Newcastle-Coast Road- Silverlink Roundabout- Tyne Tunnel- Jarrow- South Shields
Service 312: South Shields- Cleadon- Monkwearmouth- Sunderland Park Lane
Service X3: Newcastle- Gateshead- A184- A19- Stadium Of Light- Sunderland Park Lane

Operating from Belmont:
Service 2:Newcastle- Gateshead- Team Valley- Sunniside- Marley Hill- Hobson- Dipton- Consett- Shotley Bridge (Hospital)
Service 3: Durham Bus Station- Lanchester- Consett
Service 4: Consett- Stanley- Beamish- Chester-le-Street

Thoughts?

I think anything that runs in direct competition, between the same places and taking the same route, will only cause trouble.
After all, the ANE guys might be fed raw meat again Wink.

If it is subtle and offers competition in parts, it may be perceived to be less of a threat.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
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17 Feb 2015, 7:22 pm #372

(17 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm)mb134 Here's a few suggestions, following on from earlier:
Operating from Jesmond:
Service 311: Newcastle-Coast Road- Silverlink Roundabout- Tyne Tunnel- Jarrow- South Shields
Service 312: South Shields- Cleadon- Monkwearmouth- Sunderland Park Lane
Service X3: Newcastle- Gateshead- A184- A19- Stadium Of Light- Sunderland Park Lane

Operating from Belmont:
Service 2:Newcastle- Gateshead- Team Valley- Sunniside- Marley Hill- Hobson- Dipton- Consett- Shotley Bridge (Hospital)
Service 3: Durham Bus Station- Lanchester- Consett
Service 4: Consett- Stanley- Beamish- Chester-le-Street

Thoughts?

I think anything that runs in direct competition, between the same places and taking the same route, will only cause trouble.
After all, the ANE guys might be fed raw meat again Wink.

If it is subtle and offers competition in parts, it may be perceived to be less of a threat.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

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17 Feb 2015, 7:48 pm #373
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(17 Feb 2015, 7:18 pm)mb134 GNE may not be happy, but passengers would be. 

I imagine if Arriva did invade, they would use half decent buses, and use London cascades on services in areas that they already have a monopoly on.

They'd probably forefit 7522-7528 for the competitive routes and refurbish a load of ex London cascades to Sapphire spec!
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17 Feb 2015, 7:48 pm #373

(17 Feb 2015, 7:18 pm)mb134 GNE may not be happy, but passengers would be. 

I imagine if Arriva did invade, they would use half decent buses, and use London cascades on services in areas that they already have a monopoly on.

They'd probably forefit 7522-7528 for the competitive routes and refurbish a load of ex London cascades to Sapphire spec!

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17 Feb 2015, 7:59 pm #374
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(17 Feb 2015, 7:48 pm)DaveyBowyer They'd probably forefit 7522-7528 for the competitive routes and refurbish a load of ex London cascades to Sapphire spec!

Gee, you taking the piss?  Rolleyes

They'll buy the LTs off Boris, transfer them to Ashington then the new routes can have DAFs!!!!!!!  Big Grin
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17 Feb 2015, 7:59 pm #374

(17 Feb 2015, 7:48 pm)DaveyBowyer They'd probably forefit 7522-7528 for the competitive routes and refurbish a load of ex London cascades to Sapphire spec!

Gee, you taking the piss?  Rolleyes

They'll buy the LTs off Boris, transfer them to Ashington then the new routes can have DAFs!!!!!!!  Big Grin

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17 Feb 2015, 8:26 pm #375
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(17 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm)mb134 Here's a few suggestions, following on from earlier:

Operating from Jesmond:

Service 311: Newcastle-Coast Road- Silverlink Roundabout- Tyne Tunnel- Jarrow- South Shields

Service 312: South Shields- Cleadon- Monkwearmouth- Sunderland Park Lane

Service X3: Newcastle- Gateshead- A184- A19- Stadium Of Light- Sunderland Park Lane



Operating from Belmont:

Service 2:Newcastle- Gateshead- Team Valley- Sunniside- Marley Hill- Hobson- Dipton- Consett- Shotley Bridge (Hospital)

Service 3: Durham Bus Station- Lanchester- Consett

Service 4: Consett- Stanley- Beamish- Chester-le-Street



Thoughts?

Not sure about Tyne & Wear suggestions as I don't really know the area.

Doubt Arriva would do well in Consett as GNE has the monopoly there also I remember when Arriva tried to take on Langley Park before with the 726 Langley Park - Chester and 754 Langley Park - Durham, the 726 went to Chester via Plawsworth and this didn't last very long only a few months I think and the 754 was pretty much the exact same route as the 14 which lasted longer than the 726 did although it really shouldn't of as the passenger numbers were woeful often saw it heading down Framwellgate Moor Front Street with on-one on it or if there was actually anyone onboard it was only OAPS and New College students heading into Durham.

The reasons I think these two failed was because GNE operated two buses an hour to Chester/Durham while Arriva's were hourly and they also had gaps at peaks to allow the buses to drop off for school runs.
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17 Feb 2015, 8:26 pm #375

(17 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm)mb134 Here's a few suggestions, following on from earlier:

Operating from Jesmond:

Service 311: Newcastle-Coast Road- Silverlink Roundabout- Tyne Tunnel- Jarrow- South Shields

Service 312: South Shields- Cleadon- Monkwearmouth- Sunderland Park Lane

Service X3: Newcastle- Gateshead- A184- A19- Stadium Of Light- Sunderland Park Lane



Operating from Belmont:

Service 2:Newcastle- Gateshead- Team Valley- Sunniside- Marley Hill- Hobson- Dipton- Consett- Shotley Bridge (Hospital)

Service 3: Durham Bus Station- Lanchester- Consett

Service 4: Consett- Stanley- Beamish- Chester-le-Street



Thoughts?

Not sure about Tyne & Wear suggestions as I don't really know the area.

Doubt Arriva would do well in Consett as GNE has the monopoly there also I remember when Arriva tried to take on Langley Park before with the 726 Langley Park - Chester and 754 Langley Park - Durham, the 726 went to Chester via Plawsworth and this didn't last very long only a few months I think and the 754 was pretty much the exact same route as the 14 which lasted longer than the 726 did although it really shouldn't of as the passenger numbers were woeful often saw it heading down Framwellgate Moor Front Street with on-one on it or if there was actually anyone onboard it was only OAPS and New College students heading into Durham.

The reasons I think these two failed was because GNE operated two buses an hour to Chester/Durham while Arriva's were hourly and they also had gaps at peaks to allow the buses to drop off for school runs.

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17 Feb 2015, 8:28 pm #376
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(17 Feb 2015, 7:22 pm)Andreos1 I think anything that runs in direct competition, between the same places and taking the same route, will only cause trouble.
After all, the ANE guys might be fed raw meat again Wink.

If it is subtle and offers competition in parts, it may be perceived to be less of a threat.
So maybe 3 of the routes may work?
I think my Newcastle- Consett/Shotley Bridge avoided the equivalent GNE route for sections, as did my South Shields and Sunderland to Newcastle ones Undecided
(17 Feb 2015, 7:48 pm)DaveyBowyer They'd probably forefit 7522-7528 for the competitive routes and refurbish a load of ex London cascades to Sapphire spec!
I'd reckon that with my suggestions they would need to find about 10 for the Sunderland/South Shields- Newcastle routes, and maybe around the same for the Durham based ones. 

They could do something like this:
The 311 would take approx 35 minutes to complete, so if it operates every 20 minutes it would require 4 vehicles.
The 312 would take approx 30 minutes to complete, so if it operates every 20 minutes it would also require 4 vehicles.
The X3 would take approx 35 minutes to complete also, so if it operates every 30 minutes, interworking with the 312 it would require 2 vehicles, as the 312 would have a large amount of layover.

If the 311 used 4 Streetlites (continuing with the Coastliner Green theme), they would need to buy one brand new and use 1579-81, while Ashington would receive three ex-London deckers for the 35.

The 312/X3 could operate with 6 Pulsars, from different depots, they will also receive London cascades, or single deckers from elsewhere (if the depot couldn't use double deckers)

The Durham based routes:
Service 2 would take 50 minutes to complete, if there was a frequency of every 30 minutes 7453-6 could be used?
Service 3 would take approximately 25 minutes, again with a frequency of every 30 minutes, 2 vehicles would be needed.
Service 4 would be identical to service 3.

4 Pulsars could potentially be sourced?

Edit: Hope I've worked out journey times and vehicle requirements correctly! Going to look like a complete fool if they're wrong  Blush
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17 Feb 2015, 8:28 pm #376

(17 Feb 2015, 7:22 pm)Andreos1 I think anything that runs in direct competition, between the same places and taking the same route, will only cause trouble.
After all, the ANE guys might be fed raw meat again Wink.

If it is subtle and offers competition in parts, it may be perceived to be less of a threat.
So maybe 3 of the routes may work?
I think my Newcastle- Consett/Shotley Bridge avoided the equivalent GNE route for sections, as did my South Shields and Sunderland to Newcastle ones Undecided
(17 Feb 2015, 7:48 pm)DaveyBowyer They'd probably forefit 7522-7528 for the competitive routes and refurbish a load of ex London cascades to Sapphire spec!
I'd reckon that with my suggestions they would need to find about 10 for the Sunderland/South Shields- Newcastle routes, and maybe around the same for the Durham based ones. 

They could do something like this:
The 311 would take approx 35 minutes to complete, so if it operates every 20 minutes it would require 4 vehicles.
The 312 would take approx 30 minutes to complete, so if it operates every 20 minutes it would also require 4 vehicles.
The X3 would take approx 35 minutes to complete also, so if it operates every 30 minutes, interworking with the 312 it would require 2 vehicles, as the 312 would have a large amount of layover.

If the 311 used 4 Streetlites (continuing with the Coastliner Green theme), they would need to buy one brand new and use 1579-81, while Ashington would receive three ex-London deckers for the 35.

The 312/X3 could operate with 6 Pulsars, from different depots, they will also receive London cascades, or single deckers from elsewhere (if the depot couldn't use double deckers)

The Durham based routes:
Service 2 would take 50 minutes to complete, if there was a frequency of every 30 minutes 7453-6 could be used?
Service 3 would take approximately 25 minutes, again with a frequency of every 30 minutes, 2 vehicles would be needed.
Service 4 would be identical to service 3.

4 Pulsars could potentially be sourced?

Edit: Hope I've worked out journey times and vehicle requirements correctly! Going to look like a complete fool if they're wrong  Blush

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17 Feb 2015, 8:42 pm #377
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Don't think you could do the service 3 suggestion in 25 minutes the 15/15A takes 22 minutes just to get to Lanchester.
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17 Feb 2015, 8:42 pm #377

Don't think you could do the service 3 suggestion in 25 minutes the 15/15A takes 22 minutes just to get to Lanchester.

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17 Feb 2015, 8:48 pm #378
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(17 Feb 2015, 8:42 pm)Jimmi Don't think you could do the service 3 suggestion in 25 minutes the 15/15A takes 22 minutes just to get to Lanchester.

Aha, that may be the one where I plucked the timing straight from Google, without taking into account bus stops, so I think the service 4 suggestion may be similarly over-ambitious, say 30-35 minutes per journey for both services then? Think if you then let them interwork, you would need a PVR of 5, if it was still operated at a half hourly frequency.

Edit: Just saw your original post now, sorry. Do you think with increased frequency, Arriva may have a chance?
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17 Feb 2015, 8:48 pm #378

(17 Feb 2015, 8:42 pm)Jimmi Don't think you could do the service 3 suggestion in 25 minutes the 15/15A takes 22 minutes just to get to Lanchester.

Aha, that may be the one where I plucked the timing straight from Google, without taking into account bus stops, so I think the service 4 suggestion may be similarly over-ambitious, say 30-35 minutes per journey for both services then? Think if you then let them interwork, you would need a PVR of 5, if it was still operated at a half hourly frequency.

Edit: Just saw your original post now, sorry. Do you think with increased frequency, Arriva may have a chance?

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17 Feb 2015, 9:17 pm #379
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(08 Sep 2014, 10:50 am)Kuyoyo Amended as said - down to just the full journeys here (requiring 4 buses rather than the 5 of the original proposal timetable). Going northwards, the 20 and X18 combined to give a half hourly service between Amble and Alnwick but coming back from Alnwick, the 20 runs 20 minutes behind the X18.

(08 Sep 2014, 2:24 pm)Kuyoyo And, as another one, from an issue raised yesterday as well:


In a bid to improve reliability on the 1 and additionally to allow extra journeys to run on the X20, the Ashington-Widdrington Estate secition of the 1 would instead link onto the 'new' X20 trips as the 20A.
Was just looking back through the thread and found these, and I was wondering if you ever got these to Arriva?

They're all definite improvements over the current services, and the MAX Solo you created was top drawer!  Wink
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17 Feb 2015, 9:17 pm #379

(08 Sep 2014, 10:50 am)Kuyoyo Amended as said - down to just the full journeys here (requiring 4 buses rather than the 5 of the original proposal timetable). Going northwards, the 20 and X18 combined to give a half hourly service between Amble and Alnwick but coming back from Alnwick, the 20 runs 20 minutes behind the X18.

(08 Sep 2014, 2:24 pm)Kuyoyo And, as another one, from an issue raised yesterday as well:


In a bid to improve reliability on the 1 and additionally to allow extra journeys to run on the X20, the Ashington-Widdrington Estate secition of the 1 would instead link onto the 'new' X20 trips as the 20A.
Was just looking back through the thread and found these, and I was wondering if you ever got these to Arriva?

They're all definite improvements over the current services, and the MAX Solo you created was top drawer!  Wink

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(17 Feb 2015, 8:48 pm)mb134 Aha, that may be the one where I plucked the timing straight from Google, without taking into account bus stops, so I think the service 4 suggestion may be similarly over-ambitious, say 30-35 minutes per journey for both services then? Think if you then let them interwork, you would need a PVR of 5, if it was still operated at a half hourly frequency.

Edit: Just saw your original post now, sorry. Do you think with increased frequency, Arriva may have a chance?

I've typed Durham - Consett Bus Stations and it said 23 minutes without stopping anywhere but I added going past Durham University Hospital plus Witton Gilbert and Lanchester and it came back with a journey time of 28 minutes so maybe add a few minutes onto that to allow time for passenger boarding times. It would also depend on the route it took to Consett.

Not sure if more frequent service with help, doubt it would have helped the old 726/754 as it had gaps for school services and Arriva mainly used old step entrance double deckers on these services some with very steep steps too.

Still doubt Arriva would have much chance in these areas as GNE have many more services in the area especially Consett where they have all the Venture local services so I'd imagine it would end badly for Arriva.
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17 Feb 2015, 9:23 pm #380

(17 Feb 2015, 8:48 pm)mb134 Aha, that may be the one where I plucked the timing straight from Google, without taking into account bus stops, so I think the service 4 suggestion may be similarly over-ambitious, say 30-35 minutes per journey for both services then? Think if you then let them interwork, you would need a PVR of 5, if it was still operated at a half hourly frequency.

Edit: Just saw your original post now, sorry. Do you think with increased frequency, Arriva may have a chance?

I've typed Durham - Consett Bus Stations and it said 23 minutes without stopping anywhere but I added going past Durham University Hospital plus Witton Gilbert and Lanchester and it came back with a journey time of 28 minutes so maybe add a few minutes onto that to allow time for passenger boarding times. It would also depend on the route it took to Consett.

Not sure if more frequent service with help, doubt it would have helped the old 726/754 as it had gaps for school services and Arriva mainly used old step entrance double deckers on these services some with very steep steps too.

Still doubt Arriva would have much chance in these areas as GNE have many more services in the area especially Consett where they have all the Venture local services so I'd imagine it would end badly for Arriva.

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