(06 Feb 2015, 9:16 pm)tyresmoke wrote Too much wasted resource to operate what is effectively a dupe of the 27A. 27A every 10 mins would be far better received.

More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!

(07 Feb 2015, 12:57 pm)Cock Robin wrote More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!

By the looks of it, the new options are at worst the same amount of buses as now, maybe even one more. Hardly cuts...

(07 Feb 2015, 12:57 pm)Cock Robin wrote More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!

The only bit they serve differently is Cranmore Road (which would potentially be covered by 5/5A) and the 2 stops on College Road (which nobody ever uses) - meanwhile the 27A struggled with the loadings. I'd be interested to see how many people switch their shopping from Morrisons to Asda if we linked Netherfields with Asda with the 8/9!

On VOSA today.

PB0002032/369 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 3 effective from 06-Apr-2015.


PB0002032/445 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Regent Centre and Quorum Business Park given service number 554 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.


PB0002032/476 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 553 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

(10 Feb 2015, 5:52 pm)Jimmi wrote On VOSA today.

PB0002032/369 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 3 effective from 06-Apr-2015.


PB0002032/445 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Regent Centre and Quorum Business Park given service number 554 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.


PB0002032/476 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 553 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

I'm gathering another operator is taking this over?

EDIT: Doesn't matter, I didn't read it properly. I've always said they should combine the 3 and 553 together, so I am happy to see this happening

(10 Feb 2015, 5:55 pm)Tom wrote I'm gathering another operator is taking this over?

EDIT: Doesn't matter, I didn't read it properly. I've always said they should combine the 3 and 553 together, so I am happy to see this happening

I never knew there was a 3 (unless that's Nexusbus?). Something is making me say that the 3 once went to Blyth? (Only because of 1 & 2, makes me think there was a 3 to Blyth)

(10 Feb 2015, 6:30 pm)Tommy_1581 wrote I never knew there was a 3 (unless that's Nexusbus?). Something is making me say that the 3 once went to Blyth? (Only because of 1 & 2, makes me think there was a 3 to Blyth)

Yes it is. 

PB0002032/364 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Four Lane Ends and Walker given service number 18/18A effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002717/54 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Barnard Castle given service number X75/X76 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002717/238 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Newcastle given service number X12 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

(20 Feb 2015, 11:12 am)Michael wrote PB0002717/54 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Barnard Castle given service number X75/X76 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.



PB0002717/238 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Newcastle given service number X12 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

Interesting looking registrations:

75/76 (X75/X76?) will probably be going back to regular routes soon as the landslip works at Calbury should be finished soon. Also heard rumours for a while that the 75/76 were going to become MAX routes and it's looking a bit more likely now. Wonder if the routes will change anymore?

Wonder if Arriva are dropping the X2 number and running it as the X12 through to Newcastle based on this registration? Or could it just be how it's been registered on VOSA?

(20 Feb 2015, 11:42 am)Jimmi wrote Interesting looking registrations:

75/76 (X75/X76?) will probably be going back to regular routes soon as the landslip works at Calbury should be finished soon. Also heard rumours for a while that the 75/76 were going to become MAX routes and it's looking a bit more likely now. Wonder if the routes will change anymore?

Wonder if Arriva are dropping the X2 number and running it as the X12 through to Newcastle based on this registration? Or could it just be how it's been registered on VOSA?

X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.

X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.

(20 Feb 2015, 11:46 am)Kuyoyo wrote X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.



X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.

If this is the case with the X12/X2 it's a pity they couldn't have just made the whole route have the X2 as it's service number, although they wouldn't do this now after just renumbering the X1 as the X12.

(20 Feb 2015, 11:46 am)Kuyoyo wrote X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.

X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.

I didn't know the 75/76 were getting MAX, its a good move, will the services be getting Pulsers, as i'm sure the current 75/76 uses Solo's?

(20 Feb 2015, 12:34 pm)Michael wrote I didn't know the 75/76 were getting MAX, its a good move, will the services be getting Pulsers, as i'm sure the current 75/76 uses Solo's?

At the moment the current allocation seems to be two Solos and a Pulsar, I think the reason why Solos are currently being used is because Darlington is short on full size single deckers and the Pulsars are needed on the 1/5/5A and X1 which are busier than the 75/76 is.

(20 Feb 2015, 12:39 pm)Jimmi wrote At the moment the current allocation seems to be two Solos and a Pulsar, I think the reason why Solos are currently being used is because Darlington is short on full size single deckers and the Pulsars are needed on the 1/5/5A and X1 which are busier than the 75/76 is.

Hmm, every time iv'e seen the 75/76 in Barnard Castle they've being quiet...don't think they would make the SOLO's MAX  

(20 Feb 2015, 12:42 pm)Michael wrote Hmm, every time iv'e seen the 75/76 in Barnard Castle they've being quiet...don't think they would make the SOLO's MAX  

I never really use or see the 75/76 but I think it's one of them services that are busy at peak times but quieter during the daytime.

(20 Feb 2015, 11:51 am)Jimmi wrote If this is the case with the X12/X2 it's a pity they couldn't have just made the whole route have the X2 as it's service number, although they wouldn't do this now after just renumbering the X1 as the X12.

Good job they haven't done the branding yet!

What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?
Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.
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Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?

(20 Feb 2015, 2:13 pm)Andreos1 wrote What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?

Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.

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Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?

I think many see it as two different services and get off in Durham but from what I've seen there are some who stay on after Durham especially New College students who jump on at Framwellgate Moor and stay on after Durham Bus Station to the likes of Bowburn and Croxdale.

(20 Feb 2015, 2:13 pm)Andreos1 wrote What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?
Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.
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Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?

Arriva did look at spliting them into 2 separate services a few years back - with the then-X1 running up to Framwellgate Moor for the University. In the end, it was decided not to.

The return to a single number throughout with just a change of destination may help

(20 Feb 2015, 2:27 pm)Jimmi wrote I think many see it as two different services and get off in Durham but from what I've seen there are some who stay on after Durham especially New College students who jump on at Framwellgate Moor and stay on after Durham Bus Station to the likes of Bowburn and Croxdale.

Yeah, thought there may have been a couple - which ties in with what Kuyoyo has said below.

(20 Feb 2015, 2:32 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Arriva did look at spliting them into 2 separate services a few years back - with the then-X1 running up to Framwellgate Moor for the University. In the end, it was decided not to.

The return to a single number throughout with just a change of destination may help

Do you mean the college at Fram?

It was more to do with the marketing/branding perspective as well as improving timings.
Appreciate there are short runs, but wondered if it would be better if they were split completely.

(20 Feb 2015, 2:39 pm)Andreos1 wrote Yeah, thought there may have been a couple - which ties in with what Kuyoyo has said below.

Do you mean the college at Fram?

It was more to do with the marketing/branding perspective as well as improving timings.
Appreciate there are short runs, but wondered if it would be better if they were split completely.

No, the University free travel extends upto Framwellgate Moor on the X12/X2 so when looking to split it, Arriva choose that as the point (and at that time, the X1 registration was Middlesbrough to Framwellgate Moor).

(20 Feb 2015, 12:44 pm)Jimmi wrote I never really use or see the 75/76 but I think it's one of them services that are busy at peak times but quieter during the daytime.

Also reverting back to its original route will increase passenger numbers

(20 Feb 2015, 2:46 pm)Kuyoyo wrote No, the University free travel extends upto Framwellgate Moor on the X12/X2 so when looking to split it, Arriva choose that as the point (and at that time, the X1 registration was Middlesbrough to Framwellgate Moor).

Not quite, the university passes are valid to the stop before at Aykley Heads.

There are quite a few people use it for cross-city links, especially on Friday/Saturday evenings, when I have dropped quite a few people off in Elvet after coming through from Chester-le-Street etc.  Hopefully, when the service goes MAX they can think of a way of improving the later X2s as I think half past 5 for the last Newcastle is a bit too early, could possibly extend one or two of our Chester-le-Street terminators.

(21 Feb 2015, 1:12 pm)palatine3833 wrote There are quite a few people use it for cross-city links, especially on Friday/Saturday evenings, when I have dropped quite a few people off in Elvet after coming through from Chester-le-Street etc.  Hopefully, when the service goes MAX they can think of a way of improving the later X2s as I think half past 5 for the last Newcastle is a bit too early, could possibly extend one or two of our Chester-le-Street terminators.

Cheers.
Would you reckon on extending it all the way through until late on or gradually reduce some of the services to the Angel or Chester?

(21 Feb 2015, 5:01 pm)Andreos1 wrote Cheers.
Would you reckon on extending it all the way through until late on or gradually reduce some of the services to the Angel or Chester?

I've no idea of what the loadings are like or if it would even be possible to do based on driving hours, but the roundabout just before the Angel may be a good turning point.

(21 Feb 2015, 5:04 pm)Dan wrote I've no idea of what the loadings are like or if it would even be possible to do based on driving hours, but the roundabout just before the Angel may be a good turning point.

The X12 journey time from Middlesbrough to Durham is 1hr 5mins in both directions so it would probably be a struggle to do it all the way to Newcastle in under 2 hours. Could probably fit Durham to Chester-le-Street though as there is currently a 45 minute gap in Durham between the X12 arriving and the X12 leaving Durham again and I'd say about 20 minutes to get to Chester from Durham.

Not sure what numbers would be like or how driving hours would especially on Friday / Saturday nights.

Would love to see the X2 run on a Sunday as the only bus I can get to Newcastle on a Sunday is the 21 which takes over an hour and to make matters worse for me one 21 leaves 1 minute after the 7 is due to arrive in Durham so I'm stuck waiting just under half an hour for one to Newcastle. See why I rarely do Sunday bus outings!

PB0002717/390 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Whitby Park & Ride and Whitby Park & Ride given service number P1/P2 effective from 01-May-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002717/306 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between New Marske and Stokesley given service number 81/81a effective from 09-Mar-2015. To amend Route.

PB0002717/309 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Middlesbrough and Easington given service number X4 effective from 09-Mar-2015. To amend Route.

For these diversions in Redcar

PB0002717/280 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Ushaw College given service number U1 effective from 20-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002717/302 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Middlesbrough and Lingdale given service number 747/746 effective from 09-Mar-2015. To amend Route.

PB0002717/389 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Whitby and Scarborough given service number X93 effective from 29-Mar-2015. To amend Timetable.