(15 Mar 2015, 9:53 pm)mb134 wrote Don't think Ashington like the Omni's, always seems to be one hanging around the bus station or on local routes...

They get used on the 418.

(15 Mar 2015, 6:32 pm)aureolin wrote Try getting an Omnicity round the Village on the 86!

It's bad enough when a President makes it's way on there, and almost takes all the trees out in the process.

Nationals used to do it back in the day on the Washington circulars - did the 291/292 go that way?

The turning circle and manoeuvrability might be different like. Some of the Omnis remind me of a cruise ship at times!

(16 Mar 2015, 3:06 pm)Andreos1 wrote Nationals used to do it back in the day on the Washington circulars - did the 291/292 go that way?

The turning circle and manoeuvrability might be different like. Some of the Omnis remind me of a cruise ship at times!

Which turning circle are you thinking of? Are you thinking of the Brady Square terminus? 

Can't remember Nationals on the Washington Circulars, but they'd certainly struggle going round Glebe Crescent, giving the parking around the church. As far as I can recall, we've had the Renault 'Minilink' bread vans, the Metroriders, Solos, and then the MPDs on the various forms of the 85/86 over the years.

(16 Mar 2015, 3:14 pm)aureolin wrote Which turning circle are you thinking of? Are you thinking of the Brady Square terminus? 

Can't remember Nationals on the Washington Circulars, but they'd certainly struggle going round Glebe Crescent, giving the parking around the church. As far as I can recall, we've had the Renault 'Minilink' bread vans, the Metroriders, Solos, and then the MPDs on the various forms of the 85/86 over the years.

Nah, the circle it takes to turn a vehicle

Yeah, the 291 and 292 were like the W5/6 - 85/86, but went to/from Heworth. Did a big circular loop of Washington and used Nationals.
The 185 went through the Village and that was generally an Olympian.

(16 Mar 2015, 3:18 pm)Andreos1 wrote Nah, the circle it takes to turn a vehicle

Yeah, the 291 and 292 were like the W5/6 - 85/86, but went to/from Heworth. Did a big circular loop of Washington and used Nationals.
The 185 went through the Village and that was generally an Olympian.

Ahh right  my bad.

I believe the 185 (and X85) took a different route though? I seem to recall that they came up Emmerson Terrace, right at Daccs, around the Avenue, Village Lane, Abbey Road, and then back on to Parkway?

(16 Mar 2015, 3:30 pm)aureolin wrote Ahh right  my bad.

I believe the 185 (and X85) took a different route though? I seem to recall that they came up Emmerson Terrace, right at Daccs, around the Avenue, Village Lane, Abbey Road, and then back on to Parkway?

They may have done at some point - can remember one of the Washington minibuses definitely doing that route. Coming through the cut at Brady Square or coming from Barmston Court. 
The times I used the 185, it went past JFK Est from Barmston and into the Village the back way, not going via Emmerson Terrace. Same in reverse.

Does anyone know how many spare Streetlites have being ordered?

(16 Mar 2015, 8:48 pm)citaro5284 wrote Yes

, how many? 

(16 Mar 2015, 8:49 pm)Michael wrote , how many? 

Guessing 4, 1 Riverside - 1 Chester le Street - 2 Stanley

(16 Mar 2015, 9:07 pm)citaro5284 wrote There was no spare artic.....

Well we will make that 3 then shall we, thought Riverside might of got a Spare for the X66 if a Streetlite is VOR, would also provide a Spare for the 53/54 if not on the X66 if one of there Streetlites are VOR, Thinking with Logic Citaro5284  .

(16 Mar 2015, 9:11 pm)Malarkey wrote Well we will make that 3 then shall we, thought Riverside might of got a Spare for the X66 if a Streetlite is VOR, would also provide a Spare for the 53/54 if not on the X66 if one of there Streetlites are VOR, Thinking with Logic Citaro5284  .

I wonder (if that happened) how long I would be before they went off route 

(16 Mar 2015, 9:04 pm)Malarkey wrote Guessing 4, 1 Riverside - 1 Chester le Street - 2 Stanley

Why does stanley need 2 and chester 1?, thought chester had 7 Limes to Stanleys 6!!

(16 Mar 2015, 9:25 pm)citaro5284 wrote I think, 1 for Lime and 1 for Red Kites

Forgot about the red kites 

Just thinking, if the Omnicities from the Red Kite did go onto the 11/31/32, I wonder if the four from Percy Main could be transferred over for the 47, then the B7RLE's could go on the 9?

(17 Mar 2015, 2:51 pm)Tom wrote Just thinking, if the Omnicities from the Red Kite did go onto the 11/31/32, I wonder if the four from Percy Main could be transferred over for the 47, then the B7RLE's could go on the 9?

That sounds like a good idea.
That would mean that the 'Toon Link' is fully operated by OmniCities (but only on a good day   ) and not a funny allocation.

(17 Mar 2015, 2:51 pm)Tom wrote Just thinking, if the Omnicities from the Red Kite did go onto the 11/31/32, I wonder if the four from Percy Main could be transferred over for the 47, then the B7RLE's could go on the 9?

I think they'll stay at Riverside for service 47, and the renowns will more than likely be withdrawn 

Yes but then you wouldn't have a consistent allocation.
If they transferred to Riverside all of the Toon Link services would be Omnicity allocated.

I worked out after the Streetlite order for the Red Kite, X66 and Lime and due to Omni's moving else where (seems like Toonlink), they'll only be 24 left... which i would say will be modified in to being DDA and withdrawn next year.

Here it is:

29 B10BLE’s replaced by 29 Streetlites.

Omnicities to Toonlink replaces 8 B10BLE’s (Withdrawn & 5 Eclipses replaces 5 more B10BLE’s)

Unless these other 4 buses Citaro has mentioned are single deckers then take 4 more away...

Numbers maybe wrong and the decker order may help replace rest of the B10BLE's.

(17 Mar 2015, 5:48 pm)Michael wrote I worked out after the Streetlite order for the Red Kite, X66 and Lime and due to Omni's moving else where (seems like Toonlink), they'll only be 24 left... which i would say will be modified in to being DDA and withdrawn next year.

Here it is:

29 B10BLE’s replaced by 29 Streetlites.

Omnicities to Toonlink replaces 8 B10BLE’s (Withdrawn & 5 Eclipses replaces 5 more B10BLE’s)

Unless these other 4 buses Citaro has mentioned are single deckers then take 4 more away...

Numbers maybe wrong and the decker order may help replace rest of the B10BLE's.

Remember, the full Toon Link PVR won't be replaced if the omnicities are transferred from Stanley. There's only enough to replace the B10BLEs and 1 B7RLE.

(17 Mar 2015, 5:59 pm)Robert wrote Remember, the full Toon Link PVR won't be replaced if the omnicities are transferred from Stanley. There's only enough to replace the B10BLEs and 1 B7RLE.

Aye, but if the B7RLE's went to Percy Main for the 9...

(17 Mar 2015, 5:59 pm)Tom wrote Aye, but if the B7RLE's went to Percy Main for the 9...

Ye and then Deptford could just use decker's like now or scania's ...would like to see 9 branded again although that won't happen. 

(17 Mar 2015, 5:59 pm)Robert wrote Remember, the full Toon Link PVR won't be replaced if the omnicities are transferred from Stanley. There's only enough to replace the B10BLEs and 1 B7RLE.

That's lame, thought it would of being straight forward... add 4 on the total B10BLE's left, which would be now 28, still could see them upgraded to DDA. 

(17 Mar 2015, 5:59 pm)Tom wrote Aye, but if the B7RLE's went to Percy Main for the 9...

Then that would be swapping DDA compliant with DDA compliant...pointless. Yes, i know there is 5 B7RLEs and there are 4 omnicities meaning only 1 B10BLE can be withdrawn. For the sake of 1 vehicle, is it really worth all that money swapping two sets of vehicles to withdraw 1?

(17 Mar 2015, 6:07 pm)Robert wrote Then that would be swapping DDA compliant with DDA compliant...pointless. Yes, i know there is 5 B7RLEs and there are 4 omnicities meaning only 1 B10BLE can be withdrawn. For the sake of 1 vehicle, is it really worth all that money swapping two sets of vehicles to withdraw 1?

Well the whole point as I said earlier is to make the Toon Link allocation consistent...

(17 Mar 2015, 6:11 pm)Tom wrote Well the whole point as I said earlier is to make the Toon Link allocation consistent...

It would still be a high cost to swap the vehicles over, especially as there would only be two real benefits. I'm not saying you're suggestion isnt pointless though.
While on the topic...these 4 deckers:
Services X30/X31/X70/X71 replacing the 4 omnis which transfer to Riverside for the Toon Link replacing the remaining 4 B7RLEs which means all 5 can go off to replace 5 renowns. This may not work as 15/65 reg vehicles working with V/W reg vehicles - i know which id prefer.

(17 Mar 2015, 6:13 pm)Robert wrote It would still be a high cost to swap the vehicles over, especially as there would only be two real benefits. I'm not saying you're suggestion isnt pointless though.

Not really? The B7RLEs were last painted about 5 years ago now, so are probably due a fresh coat of paint. I'd imagine there'd be some sense them going into the red corporate livery, so that they can take on more of a 'spare' role in the later days. At the same time, the Red Kite Omni's are most likely going to need a repaint anyway.

(17 Mar 2015, 6:11 pm)Tom wrote Well the whole point as I said earlier is to make the Toon Link allocation consistent...

Tbh it should go all Omni to make it all the same would be easier.


It also depends on what else is on order...Dan said more is to be reveled in one of his posts the other day.... which will probables be the decker order  

(17 Mar 2015, 6:17 pm)aureolin wrote Not really? The B7RLEs were last painted about 5 years ago now, so are probably due a fresh coat of paint. I'd imagine there'd be some sense them going into the red corporate livery, so that they can take on more of a 'spare' role in the later days. At the same time, the Red Kite Omni's are most likely going to need a repaint anyway.

I would imagine buses will start to go in the paint shop very soon because of the first new Streetlite arriving at SM. 


Not sure which order the repaints will be in, however it'll likely see a temporary stop to buses getting repainted which still use Northern..... 

(17 Mar 2015, 6:17 pm)aureolin wrote Not really? The B7RLEs were last painted about 5 years ago now, so are probably due a fresh coat of paint. I'd imagine there'd be some sense them going into the red corporate livery, so that they can take on more of a 'spare' role in the later days. At the same time, the Red Kite Omni's are most likely going to need a repaint anyway.

keep the B7RLEs at riverside for Fab57, allowing 5 B10's to be withdrawn.

I wonder if cadets 8242-6 are leaving Riverside for a new life ????

(17 Mar 2015, 6:22 pm)park5354 wrote keep the B7RLEs at riverside for Fab57, allowing 5 B10's to be withdrawn.

I wonder if cadets 8242-6 are leaving Riverside for a new life ????

Aye, in Alpha's yard hopefully!