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PH - BQA
Branching this out of the Stockton Depot thread where the orders are being discussed, but just a few comments on the vehicle allocations in Northumbria which are increasingly inappropriate.
I was walking towards Barras Bridge tonight for my bus home and saw a few Arriva services leaving Haymarket.
The 1610 308 was operated by 1495, and to be honest I don't think I've ever seen as many people standing on a Pulsar. The 15:45 and 16:00 308/306 also ran, so it isn't as though this was taking multiple loads. People were stood up to the seating right at the back, with a huge clump crowding the tip down seats up to the cab.
The 1615 X22 was ran by 7563 and had pretty much a full load, with a couple standing downstairs, from what I could see. Looked to be a few seats free, but the loading it had would have been too much for a Pulsar I'd think. Again, the 16:00 X21 and 15:45 X22 ran. This run is booked for a Pulsar, and majority of times I have seen it operated by one has had a standing load.
The Coast Road services at this time seem particularly susceptible to leaving Newcastle with full and standing Pulsars, yet nothing is being done about this. Similarly the main Ashington (X21/22) and Blyth (X10/11) express services are always standing loads if allocated a saloon. The Morpeth express services are always decker operated bar the X16 when I see them, and the X7/8/9 are always fully seated if a Pulsar but not standing. The X30 leaving town around this time, however, seems to always be a decker yet realistically a Solo could probably lift the amount of people using it.
There have also been a few times recently where I've been waiting at Regent Centre at similar times and have been unable to board 43/44/45s due to them being Pulsar operated and bus full already. Even when they've dropped off there, the driver has evidently decided it's been unwise to take any more on.
As much as I am sure lots of these services mentioned can cope with saloons during the day, they quite clearly cannot cope with them in the peaks. I do get that operating double deckers during the day on services with 20-30 people on is a bit of a waste, but then surely annoying your regular commuters by cramming them onto a Pulsar every night cannot help business long term?
I was walking towards Barras Bridge tonight for my bus home and saw a few Arriva services leaving Haymarket.
The 1610 308 was operated by 1495, and to be honest I don't think I've ever seen as many people standing on a Pulsar. The 15:45 and 16:00 308/306 also ran, so it isn't as though this was taking multiple loads. People were stood up to the seating right at the back, with a huge clump crowding the tip down seats up to the cab.
The 1615 X22 was ran by 7563 and had pretty much a full load, with a couple standing downstairs, from what I could see. Looked to be a few seats free, but the loading it had would have been too much for a Pulsar I'd think. Again, the 16:00 X21 and 15:45 X22 ran. This run is booked for a Pulsar, and majority of times I have seen it operated by one has had a standing load.
The Coast Road services at this time seem particularly susceptible to leaving Newcastle with full and standing Pulsars, yet nothing is being done about this. Similarly the main Ashington (X21/22) and Blyth (X10/11) express services are always standing loads if allocated a saloon. The Morpeth express services are always decker operated bar the X16 when I see them, and the X7/8/9 are always fully seated if a Pulsar but not standing. The X30 leaving town around this time, however, seems to always be a decker yet realistically a Solo could probably lift the amount of people using it.
There have also been a few times recently where I've been waiting at Regent Centre at similar times and have been unable to board 43/44/45s due to them being Pulsar operated and bus full already. Even when they've dropped off there, the driver has evidently decided it's been unwise to take any more on.
As much as I am sure lots of these services mentioned can cope with saloons during the day, they quite clearly cannot cope with them in the peaks. I do get that operating double deckers during the day on services with 20-30 people on is a bit of a waste, but then surely annoying your regular commuters by cramming them onto a Pulsar every night cannot help business long term?
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Andreos1
Stagecoach plans to upgrade old Stockton bus depot - BBC News https://share.google/XjJft2kTyNXGTmcba
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Posted by:
Kimlfixit
Hi everyone,
I’ve recently moved to Newcastle from the North West, and I’ve been quite surprised by how public transport information is presented and communicated here.
Back in Greater Manchester, even before the Bee Network launched, Transport for Greater Manchester ensured that every bus stop had clear, high-quality timetables. You could (and still) pick up printed timetable leaflets for every route from local travel centres - simple, accessible, and very user-friendly.
Neighbouring authorities like Lancashire County Council and Blackburn & Darwen Borough Council follow a similar approach, and it certainly helps that they allow operators like Transdev to produce their own high quality publicity and materials.
So I’m wondering: why isn’t this the case in the North East?
From what I understand, Nexus is meant to promote and coordinate public transport in Tyne and Wear, but they don’t seem to be doing that effectively. If a small borough council like Blackburn can maintain good-quality passenger information, why can’t a large body like Nexus?
At the roadside, information seems minimal and often poorly formatted, with no real effort made to present data clearly or consistently. Printed materials are almost non-existent, even though I realise this is technically up to the operators. Still, the absence of even a basic network map not even a PDF version online is quite disappointing.
It makes me wonder how new or occasional users are supposed to get to grips with the local transport network at all - as its actually decent if you know what you are looking for.
Frankly, apart from Strathclyde Partnership for Transport, Nexus seem among the weakest in the UK when it comes to publicity and passenger information.
Appreciate there is bus reform on the horizon, but that is years off
I’ve recently moved to Newcastle from the North West, and I’ve been quite surprised by how public transport information is presented and communicated here.
Back in Greater Manchester, even before the Bee Network launched, Transport for Greater Manchester ensured that every bus stop had clear, high-quality timetables. You could (and still) pick up printed timetable leaflets for every route from local travel centres - simple, accessible, and very user-friendly.
Neighbouring authorities like Lancashire County Council and Blackburn & Darwen Borough Council follow a similar approach, and it certainly helps that they allow operators like Transdev to produce their own high quality publicity and materials.
So I’m wondering: why isn’t this the case in the North East?
From what I understand, Nexus is meant to promote and coordinate public transport in Tyne and Wear, but they don’t seem to be doing that effectively. If a small borough council like Blackburn can maintain good-quality passenger information, why can’t a large body like Nexus?
At the roadside, information seems minimal and often poorly formatted, with no real effort made to present data clearly or consistently. Printed materials are almost non-existent, even though I realise this is technically up to the operators. Still, the absence of even a basic network map not even a PDF version online is quite disappointing.
It makes me wonder how new or occasional users are supposed to get to grips with the local transport network at all - as its actually decent if you know what you are looking for.
Frankly, apart from Strathclyde Partnership for Transport, Nexus seem among the weakest in the UK when it comes to publicity and passenger information.
Appreciate there is bus reform on the horizon, but that is years off
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tyresmoke
1500 has now returned to Blyth following repaint, looking much smarter.
I understand 1501 has now gone in its place so will be next to be done.
I understand 1501 has now gone in its place so will be next to be done.
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Adrian
The Northern Group Enthusiast Club are running an outing for their 60th anniversary - Saturday 8th November
"To celebrate the 60th Anniversary, we’ve teamed up with our friends at Northstar for a 60th Anniversary route recreation day!
Details are below! PREBOOKING MANDATORY
Members, your form will be through via email. If you have not provided one or know those who struggle with the page, ask them to contact the Chairman from details on his previous letter. Non Members welcome, please contact the page, details below!"
You can contact them through their page at: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BCAfdz2Nk/
"To celebrate the 60th Anniversary, we’ve teamed up with our friends at Northstar for a 60th Anniversary route recreation day!
Details are below! PREBOOKING MANDATORY
Members, your form will be through via email. If you have not provided one or know those who struggle with the page, ask them to contact the Chairman from details on his previous letter. Non Members welcome, please contact the page, details below!"
You can contact them through their page at: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BCAfdz2Nk/
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Posted by:
Malarkey
I'm not sure many of you on here got the chance to attend this event as part of celebrating Heaton Train Care Depot 150th Anniversary coinciding on the eve the 200th Anniversary of the Railway this upcoming Thursday 25th September.
It was nice morning yesterday having a look around and a better day weather wise also, hopefully some more events can be arranged in the future as it seemed to be very well received by all those who attended and it for a good cause also.
Here are some of my photos from the event: https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...0329164420
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...0329164420
It was nice morning yesterday having a look around and a better day weather wise also, hopefully some more events can be arranged in the future as it seemed to be very well received by all those who attended and it for a good cause also.
Here are some of my photos from the event: https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...0329164420
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...0329164420
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Jimmi
GNE currently asking for thoughts about potential service changes within Newcastle/Gateshead, Sunderland and County Durham which are expected to be implemented on October 26th 2025: Link to changes
Drop in events for these changes are at:
Thursday 28 August - 3pm-6pm - Sunderland Park Lane Interchange.
Friday 29 August - 9am-12pm - Durham Bus Station.
Monday 1 September - 9am-12pm - Sunderland Park Lane Interchange.
Tuesday 2 September - 3pm-6pm - Durham Bus Station.
Thursday 4 September - 9.30am-1pm - Houghton Library
The proposed changes are detailed below.
Service X1 (Newcastle-Washington-Easington Lane/Peterlee: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 4 Heworth-Washington-Houghton-le-Spring: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 8/8A Stanley-Sunderland: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 9 Sunderland-Jarrow: This service is proposed to depart from Stand Q at Sunderland Park Lane Interchange.
Service 10/10A/10B Newcastle-Blaydon-Blackhall Mill/Prudhoe/Hexham: Journeys on service 10B to Prudhoe will now additionally operate via West Wylam, serving Eastwoods Road, Broomhouse Road, Adderlane Road and West Wylam Drive. These journeys will replace service 686 in these areas and will reintroduce direct links to Metrocentre and Newcastle.
Service 14 Langley Park-Durham: This service will replace the corresponding section of service X20, operating every 30 minutes.
Service 20/20A Sunderland-Houghton-le-Spring-Durham: This service will be revised to operate every 15 minutes, with buses every 30 minutes via Chilton Moor and Rainton Industrial Estate (service 20A) and buses every 30 minutes via Hall Lane Estate (20). Most journeys towards Durham will now terminate at Durham Bus Station, with some journeys at peak times extending to Framwellgate Moor Salutation to serve New College Durham, University Hospital of North Durham and Durham County Hall.
Service X20 Sunderland-Durham Express: We propose to operate this service between Sunderland and Durham Bus Station, with the section of route between Durham and Langley Park covered by new service 14. The revised X20 would operate a more direct route, no longer serving Chilton Moor, Rainton Industrial Estate, Carrville and Belmont Industrial Estate (all served by other services). The service would also operate on a limited stop basis on A690 Durham Road between Herrington Interchange and Park Lane. Services at peak times would serve Doxford International Business Park in both directions.
Service 27 Newcastle-Heworth-South Shields: Due to ongoing construction works in Newcastle city centre, journeys to Newcastle will terminate at Market Street East, while journeys towards South Shields will depart from Market Street West.
Service 28/28B/29 Newcastle-Gateshead-Chester-le-Street: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 34 Ouston/Urpeth-Chester-le-Street-Waldridge Park: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 50 Durham-Washington-South Shields: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 56 Newcastle-Gateshead-Concord-Sunderland: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability. This service will operate from Stand F in Sunderland Park Lane Interchange. Due to ongoing construction works in Newcastle city centre, journeys to Newcastle will terminate at Market Street East, while journeys towards Sunderland will depart from Market Street West.
Service 57 Newcastle-Wardley: Existing evening journeys between Heworth and Wardley will operate as service 58A, offering through links from Newcastle. Due to ongoing construction works in Newcastle city centre, journeys to Newcastle will terminate at Market Street East, while journeys towards South Shields will depart from Market Street West.
Service 58/X58 Newcastle-Heworth: Existing evening journeys between Heworth and Wardley on service 57 will operate as service 58A, offering through links from Newcastle. Due to ongoing construction works in Newcastle city centre, journeys to Newcastle will terminate at Market Street East, while journeys towards South Shields will depart from Market Street West.
Service 60 Sunderland-Parkside: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 61 Peterlee/Murton-Sunderland: Regrettably, due to low passenger numbers, this service is proposed to operate as far as Sunderland city centre only on Monday-Saturday, removing the section of route to Pennywell.
Pennywell will continue to be served by service 62/62A on these days, and will continue to be served by service 61 on Sundays.
Service 62/A Doxford International-Sunderland-Pennywell: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 65 Seaham-Durham: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service X66 Gateshead-MetroCentre: More buses to operate Monday-Friday during school holidays.
Service 85A Gateshead-Oxclose Academy: The morning journey will start from Gateshead to provide through links to customers travelling towards Washington.
Service 91 West Chirton-Newcastle-Team Valley: Minor timetable changes to improve service reliability.
Service 686 Prudhoe-Wylam: This service will no longer serve West Wylam, which will be served by service 10B. The service will be extended to operate via Prudhoe Interchange.
Services 700/701/702/703 Chester-le-Street: These local services will be reorganised to operate as two separate routes, CL1 and CL2. These changes are intended to improve service reliability, but all stops will be served at the same frequencies.
Service 861 New Seaham-Murton: This service will now start at Mill Inn – Station Road.Thursday 28 August - 3pm-6pm - Sunderland Park Lane Interchange.
Friday 29 August - 9am-12pm - Durham Bus Station.
Monday 1 September - 9am-12pm - Sunderland Park Lane Interchange.
Tuesday 2 September - 3pm-6pm - Durham Bus Station.
Thursday 4 September - 9.30am-1pm - Houghton Library
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