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New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes

New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes

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RE: X9 | X10 - Acquisition of interdeck coaches from Oxford Bus Company
(28 Jul 2020, 10:54 am)Storx wrote That's from Dan, not me guessing - https://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showt...p?tid=2600&pid=245035#pid245035.

11 new buses for the X30/X31/X70/X71. There isn't any, 'plus from existing fleet' with the 'improved and more efficent' interworking patterns comment below. Moving the PVR from one route to another isn't improving efficency.
My understanding of it is, x70/x71 will interwork with X30, with the X31 standing alone. If the X31 is timed right then the X31 consett extension should provide an even service to Annfield plain. Currently the X70/X71 are too tight to efficiently go on to the X47. If the X31 were to interwork then you'd have the X31 & X70/X71 running along the common section 1 minute apart.

The X84/X85 will be supplemented by fleet enviro 400s, 6336/6337 being the generic fleet vehicles.
RE: X9 | X10 - Acquisition of interdeck coaches from Oxford Bus Company
(28 Jul 2020, 1:02 pm)Stanleyone wrote My understanding of it is, x70/x71 will interwork with X30, with the X31 standing alone. If the X31 is timed right then the X31 consett extension should provide an even service to Annfield plain. Currently the X70/X71 are too tight to efficiently go on to the X47. If the X31 were to interwork then you'd have the X31 & X70/X71 running along the common section 1 minute apart.

The X84/X85 will be supplemented by fleet enviro 400s, 6336/6337 being the generic fleet vehicles.
That sounds 100% right and what I've been saying all along. Going by the initial Consett spare ratio, it would either be 2x E400MMC or if the X5/X15 extension was axed and both services reverted to Durham - Consett only, then that would leave 2x E400MMC + 1x 2016 StreetDeck as spares covering a total PVR of 29x. 

Either way, it's highly likely that the 21 will get a reduction between Chester Le Street & Newcastle when at the other side of the pandemic & social distancing completely relaxed. If a 7-8 minute frequency was required in the interim, any suitable double deck vehicles could be allocated as a short term measure.

(28 Jul 2020, 8:24 am)Storx wrote The X30/X31/X70/X71 PVR is going to be 11 not 12.

"The new vehicle allocations reflect the position once new, hopefully more efficient, interworking patterns are implemented. Exact details of this are being finalised now, but has been prompted as a result of the expected longer-term loss of patronage of 15-20%. Clearly if any efficiencies are made by interworking other services with the X30, then they need to be low-height double-decks which is the main reason for the change."

As mentioned in above post, the 11x would also likely be supplemented by 1x 2019 E400MMC given the likely interworking & standalone patterns as mentioned by StanleyOne. The X31 also operating E400MMCs will allow some early monring / early evening journeys to interwork on and off the X30 for even more efficiency as required.

You missed that bit, you could easily cut the X5/X15 back at Consett which has been mentioned a few times aswell. Then you would have enough buses for the PVR of Consett without taking 2 buses from CLS cutting the frequency of the Angel which wouldn't cope with a 10 minute frequency with social distancing if numbers got back up.

Likely that the X5/X15 would be curtailed at Consett but the extra StreetDeck would be spare at Consett to keep a higher spare ratio. And once social distancing has been lifted, a 10 minute frequency on the 21 would be more than ample. A lot of key corridor services (i.e SNE 39/40 62/63, ANE 308) run by various other operators will also face the same fate.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOCoJrUU0AElYoL.jpg - The X5/X15 doesn't go past Consett... Also there's the colours of the X-Lines buses.

Also it makes no sense for the B9TL's to be at Consett or Washington since they won't have any at their depots so it's just pointless driver training and you might aswell use them on the 25 in place for the ex London deckers.

But they've had them previously so that wouldn't be an issue albeit a slight lack of standardisation. Plus, the infrastructure is already kinda there on 6096-98 to allow them to be converted to X-Lines after a refurbishment including Civic V3 seating, NSA's, power etc. 
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RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(30 Jul 2020, 10:29 am)JP6004 wrote Will the B5s have buggy bay installed prior to entering service on X21?

Yes, due to be done when the buses return from Blackburn.
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(30 Jul 2020, 10:47 am)Dan wrote Yes, due to be done when the buses return from Blackburn.
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RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
I noticed earlier one of the Xlines spares (400mmc) still has a GNE logo above its destination display. Thought that’d been rectified?
Sorry I’ve forgot it’s fleet number.
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New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(30 Jul 2020, 7:55 pm)ne14ne1 wrote I noticed earlier one of the Xlines spares (400mmc) still has a GNE logo above its destination display. Thought that’d been rectified?
Sorry I’ve forgot it’s fleet number.



The huge one has been removed and replaced with the correct size one.


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RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 6:59 am)Dan wrote The huge one has been removed and replaced with the correct size one.

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Was there no way that the ADL logo could be removed without replacing the front panel entirely so the company logo could go there instead?
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New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 7:12 am)S813 FVK wrote Was there no way that the ADL logo could be removed without replacing the front panel entirely so the company logo could go there instead?



Not retrospectively without causing damage to the paintwork.


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RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 7:23 am)Dan wrote Not retrospectively without causing damage to the paintwork.


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Fair enough. I'd thought surely its just like debadging a car, but I forgot the paint colour would be different under the badge on the bus.
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 7:23 am)Dan wrote Not retrospectively without causing damage to the paintwork.


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That's nothing a bit of body filler and touch up paint won't sort out Tongue

Are we expecting the B5 spares to be going out on the X21 any time soon? 

Out of curiosity, what does driver familiarisation consist of? Is it just a case of sitting down with the drivers going through where the controls are in that vehicle or does each driver have to go out on a drive and for a while first?
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RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 9:31 am)streetdeckfan wrote That's nothing a bit of body filler and touch up paint won't sort out Tongue

Are we expecting the B5 spares to be going out on the X21 any time soon? 

Out of curiosity, what does driver familiarisation consist of? Is it just a case of sitting down with the drivers going through where the controls are in that vehicle or does each driver have to go out on a drive and for a while first?
Both if the driver wants to drive (as was the case with the streetlites). In the case of Consett and the streetdecks, they are similar to the Diamond streetlites so no famil needed.
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 10:17 am)Stanleyone wrote Both if the driver wants to drive (as was the case with the streetlites). In the case of Consett and the streetdecks, they are similar to the Diamond streetlites so no famil needed.
So would there be much familiarisation needed for the B5s at CLS since they have B9s and had the B5Hs

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RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 10:20 am)streetdeckfan wrote So would there be much familiarisation needed for the B5s at CLS since they have B9s and had the B5Hs

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I've not seen the cab layout of the B5s. The obvious difference between the B5H and B9 is the hybrid system, but there's subtle differences like door buttons, heating, battery reset etc. At a guess I'd say not a great deal, we swap between types on a daily basis and you do pick things up that you might miss during familiarisation.
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
I'm guessing there hasn't been any further arrivals yet apart from that 1 new Streetdeck? Speaking of which, has it been branded up yet, and once it has will it go straight out into service?
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 3:19 pm)ne14ne1 wrote I'm guessing there hasn't been any further arrivals yet apart from that 1 new Streetdeck? Speaking of which, has it been branded up yet, and once it has will it go straight out into service?

Hang on, have I missed something? When did one of the new StreetDecks arrive?
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 3:25 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Hang on, have I missed something? When did one of the new StreetDecks arrive?

Oh wait, sorry, have I made that up? I thought I'd saw a light green unbranded Streetdeck pictured at Hownsgill? Or was it one of the ex-Angels?
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(31 Jul 2020, 3:36 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Oh wait, sorry, have I made that up? I thought I'd saw a light green unbranded Streetdeck pictured at Hownsgill? Or was it one of the ex-Angels?

6331-32 are at Consett, former X-lines X21
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
So will the X45/X46/X47 be getting the following then?
- 6x New StreetDecks
- 6x 67 reg StreetDecks (3x from Angel & 3x from X21)
- 2x 16 reg StreetDecks (2x from X21)
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(01 Aug 2020, 10:12 am)L469 YVK wrote So will the X45/X46/X47 be getting the following then?
- 6x New StreetDecks
- 6x 67 reg StreetDecks (3x from Angel & 3x from X21)
- 2x 16 reg StreetDecks (2x from X21)

Wouldn't it be more likely that they use the 4 Xlines 16 plates rather than repaint another 3 Angels? While from a passenger experience it would mean 3 different interiors (something I may have mentioned once or twice with the X21), it would mean a lot less repainting
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RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(01 Aug 2020, 10:12 am)L469 YVK wrote So will the X45/X46/X47 be getting the following then?
- 6x New StreetDecks
- 6x 67 reg StreetDecks (3x from Angel & 3x from X21)
- 2x 16 reg StreetDecks (2x from X21)
It's all a mystery what will come from where to make up the X5/X15 & X45/X46/X47 pvr.
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(01 Aug 2020, 12:22 pm)Stanleyone wrote It's all a mystery what will come from where to make up the X5/X15 & X45/X46/X47 pvr.

Having seen that EY have delicenced a load of stuff, I wonder if that means there may be a bit of movement there?
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RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(02 Aug 2020, 6:33 am)Stanleyone wrote Looks like the E400s heading for GNE will have the bike rack as seen on the EY examples recently delivered.

Wonder if the StreetDecks will, or even can be specced with them.

With the buggy bay being added to the B5s, I wonder if they could have them installed
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
I've worked it out. GNE excluding the OM936 example, will have 47x StreetDecks in the fleet including both new and existing samples. The combined PVR of the 21/X1/X5/X15/X45/X46/X47 will be 46x or 47x if X5 & X15 are not curtailed but even if they were, it's likely that the 1x remaining new one would be Washington's spare

So if the Angel frequency isn't cut to every 10 minutes, will the XLines spares be provided by B9TLs after a refurb if needed (either 6118-21 or 6096-6099)?

Without any B9TLs, Consett would only have 2x E400MMCs covering a total PVR of 29x or 30x. Chester Le Street would only have 1x B5TL covering a total PVR of 23x.

But even if there was a planned reduction of the 21's frequency, I assume 6118-6121 could temporarily help keep a 7-8 minute service until the pandemic subsides and social distancing is no longer a requirement before going to East Yorkshire.
RE: New StreetDecks & ADL Enviro400s - X-lines fleet changes
(02 Aug 2020, 12:30 pm)L469 YVK wrote I've worked it out. GNE excluding the OM936 example, will have 47x StreetDecks in the fleet including both new and existing samples. The combined PVR of the 21/X1/X5/X15/X45/X46/X47 will be 46x or 47x if X5 & X15 are not curtailed but even if they were, it's likely that the 1x remaining new one would be Washington's spare

So if the Angel frequency isn't cut to every 10 minutes, will the XLines spares be provided by B9TLs after a refurb if needed (either 6118-21 or 6096-6099)?

Without any B9TLs, Consett would only have 2x E400MMCs covering a total PVR of 29x or 30x. Chester Le Street would only have 1x B5TL covering a total PVR of 23x.

But even if there was a planned reduction of the 21's frequency, I assume 6118-6121 could temporarily help keep a 7-8 minute service until the pandemic subsides and social distancing is no longer a requirement before going to East Yorkshire.

Won't CLS have the 2 generic X-Lines B5s as spares?