(13 Jan 2025, 10:41 am)Storx wrote Has it actually been confirmed that Slatyford are getting the E200MMC's? 

I've never seen anything concrete saying that or I've missed it if it's been said. 

Not sure what they really need them for since they're getting their own electrics soon which will displace the oldest singles out. 

Sunderland seems the more wise choice on paper to replace the remaining gas buses. The routes they run on 3, 4, 20 etc are strong routes and the fact 4 of the E buses have moved out would suggest these aren't seeing the rest out.

It's confirmed - that's what the staff at Stockton have been told. No doubt Sunderland may end up with the displaced 27s from Slatyford.

Also of note is that 27726 is presently tracking on the 22 in Newcastle - potentially displaced by the Yutongs to possible release 37312 for cascade, given it's an oddball at Walkergate and there's Darts that require replacements (or 39s at South Shields).

(13 Jan 2025, 11:23 am)ReDemPTiion wrote I don’t think it has been confirmed about Slatyford getting the E200mmcs from Stockton just rumours I’m guessing. But myself being a driver at Slatyford I was told by engineers that the company want rid of the E300’s 271’s and 272’s from Newcastle as they’re only Euro 5 with Euro 6 exhausts and just scraping through the emission requirements for the clean air zone. Plus I was hoping something would replace them awful 241’s haha.

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27726 is at Walkergate from Sunderland so I’m not sure what the plan is with Sunderland’s gas buses etc.

(13 Jan 2025, 11:24 am)Kuyoyo wrote It's confirmed - that's what the staff at Stockton have been told. No doubt Sunderland may end up with the displaced 27s from Slatyford.

Also of note is that 27726 is presently tracking on the 22 in Newcastle - potentially displaced by the Yutongs to possible release 37312 for cascade, given it's an oddball at Walkergate and there's Darts that require replacements (or 39s at South Shields).

That's for confirming.

Wonder if they might do:
26x -> Slatyford
277x -> Slatyford
271x/272x -> Sunderland / South Shields

MAN ALX400/E200's/E300's -> Withdrawn
Gas Buses -> Withdrawn
E5 276x/277x/278x/279x -> Withdrawn / South Shields

Then when the electrics turn up at Slatyford they'll displace the E200MMC's to withdraw the remaining 277x E300's which should be the oldest saloons in the fleet by then. Very quick counting, believe those withdrawn vehicles add up to around 80 vehicles which is what's due.

(13 Jan 2025, 11:58 am)Storx wrote That's for confirming.

Wonder if they might do:
26x -> Slatyford
277x -> Slatyford
271x/272x -> Sunderland / South Shields

MAN ALX400/E200's/E300's -> Withdrawn
Gas Buses -> Withdrawn
E5 276x/277x/278x/279x -> Withdrawn / South Shields

Then when the electrics turn up at Slatyford they'll displace the E200MMC's to withdraw the remaining 277x E300's which should be the oldest saloons in the fleet by then. Very quick counting, believe those withdrawn vehicles add up to around 80 vehicles which is what's due.

That makes more sense, win win for everyone. 
Slatyford still have decent buses as the 277’s from Sunderland we’ve got now are decent albeit older than the 271’s and 272’s and then it means Sunderland can get rid of them awful gas buses.

(13 Jan 2025, 12:22 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote That makes more sense, win win for everyone. 
Slatyford still have decent buses as the 277’s from Sunderland we’ve got now are decent albeit older than the 271’s and 272’s and then it means Sunderland can get rid of them awful gas buses.

Yeah exactly and everyone would get slightly newer vehicles aswell so there's no robbing Peter to pay Paul which has been blighting the other 2 North East operators in recent times. 

Nothing positive about downgrading routes with vehicles which are inappropoate as an understatement. GNE, in particular, have been really bad for it lately especially at Consett.

(13 Jan 2025, 10:41 am)Storx wrote Has it actually been confirmed that Slatyford are getting the E200MMC's? 

I've never seen anything concrete saying that or I've missed it if it's been said. 

Not sure what they really need them for since they're getting their own electrics soon which will displace the oldest singles out. 

Sunderland seems the more wise choice on paper to replace the remaining gas buses. The routes they run on 3, 4, 20 etc are strong routes and the fact 4 of the E buses have moved out would suggest these aren't seeing the rest out.

i don't think slatyford has had any work done for chargers due to being the oldest depot so even if they receive the electrics they don't seem to have a way to operate them,

so it would make sense that the Sunderland electrics displace gas buses at Sunderland,

the slatyford batch to temporarily operate from either Sunderland or Stockton to get them in service,  

if at Sunderland they can withdraw any non CAZ-compliant vehicles to Stockton and any CAZ- compliant vehicles to slatyford allowing the oldest buses at each of those depots to be withdrawn/cascaded to wherever they may be required,

then when Stockton start to receive their own batch the MMCs go to slatyford allowing the older vehicles to cascade within the division to start ousting non compliant vehicles.

hopefully work starts at each of the depots soon if it hasnt already and then each batch can go to where they were originally bidded for

(13 Jan 2025, 2:07 pm)toward6931 wrote i don't think slatyford has had any work done for chargers due to being the oldest depot so even if they receive the electrics they don't seem to have a way to operate them,

so it would make sense that the Sunderland electrics displace gas buses at Sunderland,

the slatyford batch to temporarily operate from either Sunderland or Stockton to get them in service,  

if at Sunderland they can withdraw any non CAZ-compliant vehicles to Stockton and any CAZ- compliant vehicles to slatyford allowing the oldest buses at each of those depots to be withdrawn/cascaded to wherever they may be required,

then when Stockton start to receive their own batch the MMCs go to slatyford allowing the older vehicles to cascade within the division to start ousting non compliant vehicles.

hopefully work starts at each of the depots soon if it hasnt already and then each batch can go to where they were originally bidded for

Stockton are due to start receiving their ZEBRA-funded batch anytime soon - so no need to cascade anything south other than to Hartlepool but then I can see their Dart replacements being Stockton’s trio of E200s.

Work is well ongoing at Stockton - having dug up and laid the cables around the edge of the yard before Christmas, they are now in the process of laying them down the middle of the yard in the main parking area, meaning it’s a tight squeeze getting everything parked up on a night - hence the evening boards presently being a hodge-podge of MANs and Deckers rather than the MMCs and E300s as the drivers are currently keeping the same bus all shift instead of taking it back to the depot and then taking a fresh one after their break (Stockton’s allocating has already been tweaked to have the evening work on separate boards bar a small handful as they’re not entirely sure if the Yutongs will have the range to do say a board that leaves the depot at 0545 in the morning and returns at 2346).

(13 Jan 2025, 2:07 pm)toward6931 wrote i don't think slatyford has had any work done for chargers due to being the oldest depot so even if they receive the electrics they don't seem to have a way to operate them,

so it would make sense that the Sunderland electrics displace gas buses at Sunderland,

the slatyford batch to temporarily operate from either Sunderland or Stockton to get them in service,  

if at Sunderland they can withdraw any non CAZ-compliant vehicles to Stockton and any CAZ- compliant vehicles to slatyford allowing the oldest buses at each of those depots to be withdrawn/cascaded to wherever they may be required,

then when Stockton start to receive their own batch the MMCs go to slatyford allowing the older vehicles to cascade within the division to start ousting non compliant vehicles.

hopefully work starts at each of the depots soon if it hasnt already and then each batch can go to where they were originally bidded for

Aye that's what I thought originally but it seems that 5 of the vehicles have left Sunderland completely to Newcastle so suggests that's not the plan. Since Stockton is ahead and will be coming into service soon I'm going to guess and say it'll be the 64/65 Enviro 300's now instead with the E200 MMC's displacing the ones out of Slatyford.

Unless they leave the region, there's not really anywhere else they can go.

I have a feeling the E400MMC's which have come up (3 extra) and what appears to be 12 E300's from Sunderland might be the MAN replacement at Slatyford instead now.

(13 Jan 2025, 2:43 pm)Storx wrote Aye that's what I thought originally but it seems that 5 of the vehicles have left Sunderland completely to Newcastle so suggests that's not the plan. Since Stockton is ahead and will be coming into service soon I'm going to guess and say it'll be the 64/65 Enviro 300's now instead with the E200 MMC's displacing the ones out of Slatyford.

Unless they leave the region, there's not really anywhere else they can go.

I have a feeling the E400MMC's which have come up (3 extra) and what appears to be 12 E300's from Sunderland might be the MAN replacement at Slatyford instead now.

Hopefully they’ve had some sense and are getting rid of the MAN E300’s 24’s because they are awful. They did want to keep them as they’re Euro 6 engined but they’ve got too many problems. I’m not bothered what replaces them just want them gone haha. 

24115 is sat on the back yard and had parts taken off of it, does anyone know if that one is withdrawn now?

How many of the Sunderland Yutongs are left to arrive?


Is work almost done in the depot, as I haven't been around that way in a while!

19430 also transferred to Sunderland,

Same as 19683 are these permanent or just loans?

(14 Jan 2025, 12:56 pm)LVK 404L wrote 19430 also transferred to Sunderland,

Same as 19683 are these permanent or just loans?

Im wondering if they are just loans to help out as 19437/440 are both VOR.

Also noticed West Scotland's 27884 over the pits- possibly another transfer?

(23 Dec 2024, 3:12 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote So with the buses now starting to leave Manchester do we know which ones are heading to Newcastle? I thought it might have been 11723-11730 to join 11717-11722 but they’ve gone to Bedford,

(14 Jan 2025, 5:29 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote Im wondering if they are just loans to help out as 19437/440 are both VOR.

Also noticed West Scotland's 27884 over the pits- possibly another transfer?

it is indeed 27720 should be there somewhere aswell

hyde road

Hartlepool Depot desperately need newer buses as the fleet is absolutely knackered and they are still having 34605 and 34611 in daily use including last Sunday, not that I mind as they are still decent but with how old they are If a wheelchair gets on then it is a right hassle especially which is now quite often not helped by the current division running late.

I am fairly sure the 64/65 plate Transbus E300 are roughly the same size as the manviros so might fit over the pits that would help update the fleet a bit and the plan was for Stocktons buses to replace the current fleet once Stockton get the electrics. I think the fact the remaining Manviro at Stockton left in Service has not been repainted into new livery is hopefully a sign that it’s days are numbered and won’t be coming to Hartlepool or not for very long if it does end up here. Either way it desperately needs new buses and it’s the only depot not to have had anything in years.

(14 Jan 2025, 10:28 pm)col87 wrote Hartlepool Depot desperately need newer buses as the fleet is absolutely knackered and they are still having 34605 and 34611 in daily use including last Sunday, not that I mind as they are still decent but with how old they are If a wheelchair gets on then it is a right hassle especially which is now quite often not helped by the current division running late. 

I am fairly sure the 64/65 plate Transbus E300 are roughly the same size as the manviros so might fit over the pits that would help update the fleet a bit and the plan was for Stocktons buses to replace the current fleet once Stockton get the electrics.  I think the fact the remaining Manviro at Stockton left in Service has not been repainted into new livery is hopefully a sign that it’s days are numbered and won’t be coming to Hartlepool or not for very long if it does end up here.  Either way it desperately needs new buses and it’s the only depot not to have had anything in years.

It's time for the monthly reminder full sized single deckers can't fit in the pits at Hartlepool, as already suggested it's more than likely the 3 E200s from Stockton will replace these when the electrics come.

(08 Jan 2025, 10:32 am)ReDemPTiion wrote Does anyone know what the deal is with 27736/27737/27738, are the now permanently at Slatyford or will they eventually be going back to Sunderland?

My current understanding is that when the yutongs are up and running at Sunderland, all the HJS Euro 6 27’s (27728-27734 or whatever, I can’t even remember how many we have) are heading to slaty, and their 271’s will replace them since they are only euro 5 standard. Also understand that Sunderland’s 36’s are heading elsewhere, but not sure what’s replacing them. And lastly 28022-28030 are to be withdrawn and prepped for reading to come and collect them ASAP

(15 Jan 2025, 5:44 pm)benji123 wrote It's time for the monthly reminder full sized single deckers can't fit in the pits at Hartlepool, as already suggested it's more than likely the 3 E200s from Stockton will replace these when the electrics come.

Stagecoach management themselves  said Stocktons fleet would move to Hartlepool once they got the electrics.   The 64/65 plate E300s am sure are around the same size as the manviros.  22040 was also sent to Hartlepool just last year for a month and only got withdrawn because it was considered to knackered so clearly they can’t be that much of an issue.

(15 Jan 2025, 7:26 pm)col87 wrote Stagecoach management themselves  said Stocktons fleet would move to Hartlepool once they got the electrics.   The 64/65 plate E300s am sure are around the same size as the manviros.  22040 was also sent to Hartlepool just last year for a month and only got withdrawn because it was considered to knackered so clearly they can’t be that much of an issue.

Hartlepool don’t run 60 vehicles so don’t get your hopes up about bigger vehicles arriving, other than some Enviro 400s! I’d imagine they’ll end up with some 200s from Stockton and Sunderland.

Stockton’s first Yutong’s arrived today 73091-094 and 6 of the Sunderland ones have moved to Hartlepool for storage instead.

Mark McCann say 73091,92,93and 73094 were Delivered to Stockton depot today is he right?

(15 Jan 2025, 8:55 pm)tyresmoke wrote Hartlepool don’t run 60 vehicles so don’t get your hopes up about bigger vehicles arriving, other than some Enviro 400s! I’d imagine they’ll end up with some 200s from Stockton and Sunderland.

Stockton’s first Yutong’s arrived today 73091-094 and 6 of the Sunderland ones have moved to Hartlepool for storage instead.

That was quicker than I thought it would be.

I take it, all 20 of Sunderlands have now arrived?

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(15 Jan 2025, 6:36 pm)SV08GVA wrote My current understanding is that when the yutongs are up and running at Sunderland, all the HJS Euro 6 27’s (27728-27734 or whatever, I can’t even remember how many we have) are heading to slaty, and their 271’s will replace them since they are only euro 5 standard. Also understand that Sunderland’s 36’s are heading elsewhere, but not sure what’s replacing them. And lastly 28022-28030 are to be withdrawn and prepped for reading to come and collect them ASAP

Gutted to see more of the gas buses going, shame we couldn't have the 40 gas buses and 20 Electrics, what will they replace at Reading buses?


Hopefully by end of next week, we have more than 4 Yutongs in service....

(15 Jan 2025, 9:50 pm)Michael wrote That was quicker than I thought it would be.

I take it, all 20 of Sunderlands have now arrived?

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Gutted to see more of the gas buses going, shame we couldn't have the 40 gas buses and 20 Electrics, what will they replace at Reading buses?


Hopefully by end of next week, we have more than 4 Yutongs in service....

there's about 6 at the back of the depot not quite sure of the fleet numbers but I know 73062 is definitely their then there 6 waiting at hartlepool so there still waiting on a couple to turn up

(15 Jan 2025, 9:50 pm)Michael wrote That was quicker than I thought it would be.

I take it, all 20 of Sunderlands have now arrived?

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Gutted to see more of the gas buses going, shame we couldn't have the 40 gas buses and 20 Electrics, what will they replace at Reading buses?


Hopefully by end of next week, we have more than 4 Yutongs in service....

I’m not sure what they’re replacing at reading as I’m not familiar with their fleet. It’s a massive shame they are going though, they are by far the best buses to work on. As with any well built bus when something goes wrong it goes really wrong but that only happens once in a blue moon, the gas buses are not much bother now. On inspections you can almost guarantee the same 3 jobs on them then they’re straight back out the door

(16 Jan 2025, 7:13 pm)SV08GVA wrote I’m not sure what they’re replacing at reading as I’m not familiar with their fleet. It’s a massive shame they are going though, they are by far the best buses to work on. As with any well built bus when something goes wrong it goes really wrong but that only happens once in a blue moon, the gas buses are not much bother now. On inspections you can almost guarantee the same 3 jobs on them then they’re straight back out the door

What was the 3 main problems on them?

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Also, just seen this on the Stagecoach UK enthusiasts Fb page, post by Mark Hayes.


Stagecoach Manchester
Period 9


10467 SN65 OAZ Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10484 SN65 OBU Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10485 SN65 OBV Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10486 SN65 OBW Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10535 SN16 OMZ Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10578 SN16 OTS Ashton to Stagecoach North East
10579 SN16 OTU Ashton to Stagecoach North East
10580 SN16 OTV Ashton to Stagecoach North East


I think all of them are now but here's the official list of what's moved, just incase anyone needs to update their own personal fleet lists.

(16 Jan 2025, 8:35 pm)Michael wrote What was the 3 main problems on them?

Not sure on the fitters' perspective but from a driver's, any combination of:
- Engine light
- APS Light
- "Brake Linings Worn"

Neither of which are particularly major issues, as they're all yellow warning lights and don't affect performance, unlike a certain cloud-shaped light that appears on all the diseasels. Only once have I had a red engine light on a gasbus. By comparison, I've had three E400s throw one.

(16 Jan 2025, 9:15 pm)F114TML wrote Not sure on the fitters' perspective but from a driver's, any combination of:
- Engine light
- APS Light
- "Brake Linings Worn"

Neither of which are particularly major issues, as they're all yellow warning lights and don't affect performance, unlike a certain cloud-shaped light that appears on all the diseasels. Only once have I had a red engine light on a gasbus. By comparison, I've had three E400s throw one.

Ah right, I have seen the Engine Malfunction quite a few times.

(15 Jan 2025, 8:55 pm)Glen1974 wrote Mark McCann say 73091,92,93and 73094 were Delivered to Stockton depot today is he right?

If they have then they were the part of the original batch for Slatyford. Slatyford were due 73089-73106 so I wonder what fleet numbers Slatyford will get when we eventually get them.

(16 Jan 2025, 10:35 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote If they have then they were the part of the original batch for Slatyford. Slatyford were due 73089-73106 so I wonder what fleet numbers Slatyford will get when we eventually get them.

According to the 2025 Stagecoach Bus Handbook, the original plan was that Stockton's first 40 were going to be 73132-73171.

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(16 Jan 2025, 8:35 pm)Michael wrote What was the 3 main problems on them?

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Also, just seen this on the  Stagecoach UK enthusiasts Fb page, post by Mark Hayes.


Stagecoach Manchester
Period 9


10467 SN65 OAZ Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10484 SN65 OBU Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10485 SN65 OBV Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10486 SN65 OBW Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10535 SN16 OMZ Hyde Road to Stagecoach North East
10578 SN16 OTS Ashton to Stagecoach North East
10579 SN16 OTU Ashton to Stagecoach North East
10580 SN16 OTV Ashton to Stagecoach North East


I think all of them are now but here's the official list of what's moved, just incase anyone needs to update their own personal fleet lists.

All in service apart from 10486

Slatyford order was Cancelled and the order went to Stockton depot Instead because something do with Slatyford depot that all know I read.

(17 Jan 2025, 2:27 am)Glen1974 wrote Slatyford order was Cancelled and the order went to Stockton depot Instead because something do with Slatyford depot that all know I read.

It’s not cancelled the funding was for Slatyford they can’t really just cancel it. The issue is the depot is too old. To put the chargers in they’d have to remove the roof but they had noise complaints the last time they done that so I believe the plan is to knock the depot down and change it around so the buses are on the other side to where they are now.

Ok mate