(20 Oct 2025, 4:23 pm)busesofthenortheast wrote It does look badly damaged, it will take a few months off the road to get fixed before returning back in service

I was on it so I know u just want a replacement which probably won't happen

(20 Oct 2025, 3:05 pm)Bob5666 wrote Not badly damaged to so it will be repaired

I'm unsure it will be personally. There's loads of spares around doing paint duties and they'll be getting withdrawn soon anyway. 

Unless the insurance pays for it, I can't see it getting repaired.

(20 Oct 2025, 4:31 pm)Storx wrote I'm unsure it will be personally. There's loads of spares around doing paint duties and they'll be getting withdrawn soon anyway. 

Unless the insurance pays for it, I can't see it getting repaired.

There have a few spares  so perhaps one if those could come out to don't forget 10 pulsars will be heading to Durham under 3 weeks as Durham will be head of the x12s

(20 Oct 2025, 5:24 pm)Bob5666 wrote There have a few spares  so perhaps one if those could come out to  don't forget  10 pulsars will be heading to Durham under 3 weeks as Durham  will be head of the x12s

It’s not 10 pulsars going to Durham it’s only 5 which are 5 X12 boards from Stockton so 5 pulsars

(20 Oct 2025, 4:31 pm)Storx wrote I'm unsure it will be personally. There's loads of spares around doing paint duties and they'll be getting withdrawn soon anyway. 

Unless the insurance pays for it, I can't see it getting repaired.

I’m with Storx, I think that’s the end of that one. With the amount of new vehicles inbound and spares available over the winter season I can’t see this being repaired.

1405 is withdrawn as expected, according to the November allocation.

(Yesterday, 9:58 am)Superman wrote 1405 is withdrawn as expected, according to the November allocation.

And no replacement required due to sevice changes set to happen

The full list of 2 November fleet changes as follows:

1357 from Darlington to Disposal
1370 from Stockton to Redcar
1376 from Stockton to Redcar
1378 from Stockton to Redcar
1389 from Stockton to Blyth
1405 from Stockton to Disposal
1422 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1430 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1432 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1441 from Blyth to Durham
1442 from Stockton to Durham
1443 from Blyth to Durham
1482 from Blyth to Durham
1530 from Reserve Fleet to Disposal
1534 from Stockton to Training School
1589 from Durham to Darlington
2601 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2602 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2603 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2841 from Darlington to Disposal
3052 from Reserve Fleet to Ashington
3053 from Reserve Fleet to Darlington
3905 from Reserve Fleet to Disposal
4701 from Redcar to Disposal
4702 from Redcar to Disposal
4709 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4718 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4719 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4721 from Redcar to Disposal
4724 from Redcar to Disposal
7526 from Blyth to Ashington
7578 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7579 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7580 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7581 from Redcar to Reserve Fleet
7609 from Redcar to Disposal
7610 from Redcar to Disposal

(Yesterday, 6:55 pm)Superman wrote The full list of 2 November fleet changes as follows:

1357 from Darlington to Disposal
1370 from Stockton to Redcar
1376 from Stockton to Redcar
1378 from Stockton to Redcar
1389 from Stockton to Blyth
1405 from Stockton to Disposal
1422 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1430 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1432 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1441 from Blyth to Durham
1442 from Stockton to Durham
1443 from Blyth to Durham
1482 from Blyth to Durham
1530 from Reserve Fleet to Disposal
1534 from Stockton to Training School
1589 from Durham to Darlington
2601 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2602 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2603 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2841 from Darlington to Disposal
3052 from Reserve Fleet to Ashington
3053 from Reserve Fleet to Darlington
3905 from Reserve Fleet to Disposal
4701 from Redcar to Disposal
4702 from Redcar to Disposal
4709 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4718 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4719 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4721 from Redcar to Disposal
4724 from Redcar to Disposal
7526 from Blyth to Ashington
7578 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7579 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7580 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7581 from Redcar to Reserve Fleet
7609 from Redcar to Disposal
7610 from Redcar to Disposal

 1374 will also be back at Redcar  as that's a loan to Stockton  with the ones mentioned 1370 76 78

Interesting to see the mini Solo's going to arrvia north West and redcar once again being solo free.
And 1534 going to be a training bus. There a lot of training buses atm.

And no surprised 1530 bding disposed its been a while since that's been on the road

It's a shame that 7609/10 are going for disposal rather than re-joining their fleetmates at Blyth. I guess the cost of Euro 6 conversion is not worth it considering their age.

(Yesterday, 8:26 pm)solsburian wrote It's a shame that 7609/10 are going for disposal rather than re-joining their fleetmates at Blyth. I guess the cost of Euro 6 conversion is not worth it considering their age.

It was never going to happen either way, as the older 59 plate Geminis are all expected to be scrapped when the electrics come in.

1357 already parked up OOU at Darlington. 1389 has transferred from Durham and is active in Darlington as of 24.10.

(Yesterday, 6:55 pm)Superman wrote The full list of 2 November fleet changes as follows:

1357 from Darlington to Disposal
1370 from Stockton to Redcar
1376 from Stockton to Redcar
1378 from Stockton to Redcar
1389 from Stockton to Blyth
1405 from Stockton to Disposal
1422 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1430 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1432 from Stockton to Reserve Fleet
1441 from Blyth to Durham
1442 from Stockton to Durham
1443 from Blyth to Durham
1482 from Blyth to Durham
1530 from Reserve Fleet to Disposal
1534 from Stockton to Training School
1589 from Durham to Darlington
2601 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2602 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2603 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2841 from Darlington to Disposal
3052 from Reserve Fleet to Ashington
3053 from Reserve Fleet to Darlington
3905 from Reserve Fleet to Disposal
4701 from Redcar to Disposal
4702 from Redcar to Disposal
4709 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4718 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4719 from Redcar to Arriva Midlands
4721 from Redcar to Disposal
4724 from Redcar to Disposal
7526 from Blyth to Ashington
7578 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7579 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7580 from Redcar to Blyth (temp repaint cover)
7581 from Redcar to Reserve Fleet
7609 from Redcar to Disposal
7610 from Redcar to Disposal

5 X12 boards are going to Durham which means 5 pulsars to Durham you've only got 4 pulsars down to go to Durham so I'm guessing the 5th one will be 1419

(Yesterday, 9:29 pm)busesofthenortheast wrote 5 X12 boards are going to Durham which means 5 pulsars to Durham you've only got 4 pulsars down to go to Durham so I'm guessing the 5th one will be 1419

As 1481 never moved to Stockton as planned in July, it means Durham already have the 5th transfer.
Also to note - 1430/2 are in reserve but are earmarked for transfer to Durham in the spring should Arriva retain the Whitby Park and Ride contract, allowing 7594 and 7595 to be released for use on that.

(Yesterday, 8:55 pm)Superman wrote It was never going to happen either way, as the older 59 plate Geminis are all expected to be scrapped when the electrics come in.

Assume it'll be the following leaving the fleet when the electrics arrive?

7501-7/9 - 8 buses
7514-6/8-21 - 6 buses
7557/8/60/62 - 4 buses
7601-8/11-15 - 13 buses

Total of 31, how many electric deckers are due again?

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(Yesterday, 6:55 pm)Superman wrote The full list of 2 November fleet changes as follows:

2601 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2602 from Ashington to Arriva North West
2603 from Ashington to Arriva North West
3052 from Reserve Fleet to Ashington

Good luck to North West with those heaps, between the three of them there might be one which manages to make it there without a truck. Assume 3051 is staying at Ashington too - that hasn't been out in about 2 months.

7526 being the only decker to move to Ashington is mental too given the increase in deckers required on the Morpeth corridor (+3). 3 72-plate MMCs meanwhile going to crawl around on the Blyth routes, while a 11 year old E400 is sent for the X18 increase. Make it make sense.

It's a shame if all the 59 plate Gemini's go. Some of them are still very solid. Would make more sense to withdraw Pulsars of the same age or 10 plate I would have thought. Eg could withdraw 1390 - 94 and then send 1501 - 5 to Ashington to replace them and keep some of the 59 plates at Blyth which would mean more deckers for Blyth services.

What's with Temsa's 4709/4718/4719 to Arriva Midlands?  Spares for parts for the Temsa coaches down that way or what?

(Yesterday, 10:09 pm)Arriva7446 wrote It's a shame if all the 59 plate Gemini's go. Some of them are still very solid. Would make more sense to withdraw Pulsars of the same age or 10 plate I would have thought. Eg could withdraw 1390 - 94 and then send 1501 - 5 to Ashington to replace them and keep some of the 59 plates at Blyth which would mean more deckers for Blyth services.

Yeah, I assumed that the BYD deckers would replacing the 57/58 plate Envoro 400s for the 43/44/45 and the rest of Blyth's deckers staying for the time being. Anyway I am straying off topic.

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(Yesterday, 10:20 pm)davao123 wrote What's with Temsa's 4709/4718/4719 to Arriva Midlands?  Spares for parts for the Temsa coaches down that way or what?

Yes it seems quite odd unless they have common parts for those. I oner if one will enter preservation

(Yesterday, 10:29 pm)solsburian wrote Yeah, I assumed that the BYD deckers would replacing the 57/58 plate Envoro 400s for the 43/44/45 and the rest of Blyth's deckers staying for the time being. Anyway I am straying off topic.

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Yes it seems quite odd unless they have common parts for those. I oner if one will enter preservation

Won't be for parts total different vechale all together  from the temsas there have which are coaches

(Yesterday, 11:19 pm)Bob5666 wrote Won't be for parts total different vechale all together  from the temsas there have which are coaches

I don't get why they would wany any of them, it's not a common vehicle type, parts for them are non existent drivers would have to be trained on them if they want more buses surely there is some old pulsars or e200s knocking about somewhere.

(Yesterday, 10:20 pm)davao123 wrote What's with Temsa's 4709/4718/4719 to Arriva Midlands?  Spares for parts for the Temsa coaches down that way or what?

Apparently for a temporary contract for ‘Polar Express’ duties, assume some Christmas thing that they do work for. They’ll be for scrap after that. I’m amazed they’re taking them but maybe they were all they could find around the group available!?

(Yesterday, 10:20 pm)davao123 wrote What's with Temsa's 4709/4718/4719 to Arriva Midlands?  Spares for parts for the Temsa coaches down that way or what?

Its understood Midlands are taking the Temsas for their engines/other major units only. If they do indeed use them on a temp basis, that is not confirmed.

The engines are common Cummins models that can be reused. The agreement was that Midlands would take the entire bus and remove the major components themselves.

(Yesterday, 9:39 pm)PH - BQA wrote 7526 being the only decker to move to Ashington is mental too given the increase in deckers required on the Morpeth corridor (+3). 3 72-plate MMCs meanwhile going to crawl around on the Blyth routes, while a 11 year old E400 is sent for the X18 increase. Make it make sense.

The three MMCs are just up at Blyth for now while the repaints get done, they’ll be back down to Redcar once that’s all sorted.

Ashington’s set to get about 20 new double-deckers as part of the 2026 order, which by the sounds of it’s getting placed any day now. It’s part of a bigger ANE order, just shy of 70 buses all in. Then ye’ve got the Blyth, Durham and Darlington electrics to come as well, which should take the 2026 intake for ANE to just under 120 new motors, maybe even creeping into early 2027 depending on how the build slots land.

As folk’ve said a few times on here, the investment and fleet renewal’s ticking along bit by bit, can’t all happen overnight. Arriva Yorkshire’s due about 50 new vehicles from the end of December too, so if it all comes together, we’ll be looking at around 170 new buses across the North East and Yorkshire by the end of 2026.

Inside the company, the short- and medium-term allocations are all made for their own reasons, even if they divvent always make much sense from the outside. There’ll be a reason behind it somewhere.

(Today, 8:54 am)Superman wrote Its understood Midlands are taking the Temsas for their engines/other major units only. If they do indeed use them on a temp basis, that is not confirmed.

The engines are common Cummins models that can be reused. The agreement was that Midlands would take the entire bus and remove the major components themselves.



The three MMCs are just up at Blyth for now while the repaints get done, they’ll be back down to Redcar once that’s all sorted.

Ashington’s set to get about 20 new double-deckers as part of the 2026 order, which by the sounds of it’s getting placed any day now. It’s part of a bigger ANE order, just shy of 70 buses all in. Then ye’ve got the Blyth, Durham and Darlington electrics to come as well, which should take the 2026 intake for ANE to just under 120 new motors, maybe even creeping into early 2027 depending on how the build slots land.

As folk’ve said a few times on here, the investment and fleet renewal’s ticking along bit by bit, can’t all happen overnight. Arriva Yorkshire’s due about 50 new vehicles from the end of December too, so if it all comes together, we’ll be looking at around 170 new buses across the North East and Yorkshire by the end of 2026.

Inside the company, the short- and medium-term allocations are all made for their own reasons, even if they divvent always make much sense from the outside. There’ll be a reason behind it somewhere.

And been mentioned 1389 is transferring to Blyth

(Today, 9:50 am)Bob5666 wrote And been mentioned 1389 is transferring to Blyth

I've been told 1389 is going to Blyth on loan for repaint cover with 7578-7580

(Today, 10:17 am)busesofthenortheast wrote I've been told 1389 is going to Blyth on loan for repaint cover with 7578-7580

I been told 1389 is permanent 7581 will be staying at whitby for the x93s

(Yesterday, 9:39 pm)PH - BQA wrote Assume it'll be the following leaving the fleet when the electrics arrive?

7501-7/9 - 8 buses
7514-6/8-21 - 6 buses
7557/8/60/62 - 4 buses
7601-8/11-15 - 13 buses

Total of 31, how many electric deckers are due again?

Guess it depends whether the Ashington Diesels or Durham's electrics come first?

On paper, 1463/80/93/95/97/1501-5, 7501-7/9, 7557/8/60/2, 7601-8/11-15 need to go from Blyth as they're either old or inappropiate (35 vehicles) and you might aswell get rid of the last 4 random E400's while your at it aswell since Ashington has gained another lately so suggests they aren't staying (39 Vehicles)

Blyth: 14x New Electrics
Ashington: 12x 17 Plate E400MMC's
Durham: 14x 16 Plate E400MMC's

Would sort it all out on paper... With the E400's and Pulsar's not needed being sent South for upgrades down there, 1501-5 heading to Ashington replace 1390-4.

(11 hours ago)Storx wrote Guess it depends whether the Ashington Diesels or Durham's electrics come first?

On paper, 1463/80/93/95/97/1501-5, 7501-7/9, 7557/8/60/2, 7601-8/11-15 need to go from Blyth as they're either old or inappropiate (37 vehicles) and you might aswell get rid of the last 4 random E400's while your at it aswell since Ashington has gained another lately so suggests they aren't staying (41 Vehicles)

Blyth: 14x New Electrics
Ashington: 12x 17 Plate E400MMC's
Durham: 14x 16 Plate E400MMC's

Would sort it all out on paper... With the E400's and Pulsar's not needed being sent South for upgrades down there, 1501-5 heading to Ashington replace 1390-4.

Two of Durham's E400MMCs are earmarked for Whitby Park and Ride should Arriva retain the contract. Likewise, the rest are also earmarked for transfer to Darlington once Durham's electrics arrive next year, allowing the withdrawn of the 09 plate E400s there as well as a number of Pulsars to allow an increased decker allocation at the depot.

(10 hours ago)Kuyoyo wrote Two of Durham's E400MMCs are earmarked for Whitby Park and Ride should Arriva retain the contract. Likewise, the rest are also earmarked for transfer to Darlington once Durham's electrics arrive next year, allowing the withdrawn of the 09 plate E400s there as well as a number of Pulsars to allow an increased decker allocation at the depot.

Yeah that's fair, had a feeling that might have been the case, guessing it's the Ashington vehicles which will be replacing stuff instead then, rather than electrics as it doesn't work otherwise. 

I'm going to put this out there and guess that something is going to end up at Whitby for the X93/X94 (no doubt ex Ashington) with the B9TL's heading elsewhere, probably Durham if the MMC's are all heading to Darlington since something is needed there as having newer buses on the P&R doesn't make sense?

(10 hours ago)Storx wrote Yeah that's fair, had a feeling that might have been the case, guessing it's the Ashington vehicles which will be replacing stuff instead then, rather than electrics as it doesn't work otherwise. 

I'm going to put this out there and guess that something is going to end up at Whitby for the X93/X94 (no doubt ex Ashington) with the B9TL's heading elsewhere, probably Durham if the MMC's are all heading to Darlington since something is needed there as having newer buses on the P&R doesn't make sense?

Durham will gain 1430 and 1432 from reserve 'short term' should the P&R be retained. It's all in black and white on the fleet card.

Durham are also due electrics for the 48/X46 and 64 don't forget - along with the 21 single decker examples for Darlington's town network (apart from the tendered 16 17 and 18 - the 16 wasn't operated when the bid change happened, the 17 is linked to the out-of-town 8/8A, and electric operation on the 18 is not possible due to the railway bridge in Albert Hill), which will see 7514-6/8-21 all withdrawn alongside older Pulsars, as well as reportedly releasing the majority of the E200MMCs for cascade, likely to Yorkshire, with at least 2 being retained mainly for the 18 but also to be used on the Dalesbus contract.