I think the big mentality change here for those on the forum is that public buses are not supposed to return profit in real terms. They create economic opportunities for people to work, enjoy leisure time and stay connected. That’s what the bee network has done for Manchester. Don’t be fooled by the bright lights of the city centre, areas like Ashton, wynthenshaw and Oldham etc etc are similarly profiled to the north east and they’re seeing tangible benefits