(13 Sep 2013, 9:36 am)eezypeazy wrote Even in the heydays of the 1950s, public transport in Hexham's 'hinterland' was very thin. Anyone who lives beyond Allenheads or Bellingham has never had a bus service that would enable them to commute into Newcastle, for example (though it's perfectly possible even today from Newbrough, Allenheads and Allendale Town). So people who are "forced to drive into Hexham" have never had another option, so it's not a question of being 'forced'; it's a question of knowing that if, for whatever reason, you live somewhere remote, you might suffer from isolation if you can't drive (an issue that the HoC Transport Select Committee is currently considering).

If you really want to get into semantics....

Of course they are forced - there is no other option, either now or in the past from some of the of the outlying villages into Hexham.

If there is no bus from my home to work, then (required by circumstances) I am forced by virtue, into choosing an alternative mode of transport to get to work.

If there is a bus, but it doesn't get me to my destination directly, I am forced into changing.

No one is "forced"; everyone is presented with choices, dependent on their circumstances.

If I don't drive and live beyond a bus route and am fit and well, I have the choice of walking, cycling, taxis, or lifts from friends; I have the choice of home delivery services for my shopping, and/or everything else that the internet offers (unless I live beyond the electricity supply); lack of electricity or gas doesn't "force" me to burn coal, peat or wood to keep warm, it simply reduces the available choices.

"Forced" implies "absolutely no other choice", which is not the case.

I agree, though, that circumstances limit choice, but that's true of everything.

If you're going to pepper your posts with emotive language like "forced", then I'll be forced to post pedantic replies!

(13 Sep 2013, 1:12 pm)eezypeazy wrote No one is "forced"; everyone is presented with choices, dependent on their circumstances.

If I don't drive and live beyond a bus route and am fit and well, I have the choice of walking, cycling, taxis, or lifts from friends; I have the choice of home delivery services for my shopping, and/or everything else that the internet offers (unless I live beyond the electricity supply); lack of electricity or gas doesn't "force" me to burn coal, peat or wood to keep warm, it simply reduces the available choices.

"Forced" implies "absolutely no other choice", which is not the case.

I agree, though, that circumstances limit choice, but that's true of everything.

If you're going to pepper your posts with emotive language like "forced", then I'll be forced to post pedantic replies!

ok...

edit. I was going to leave it at that, but just for eezypeazy's benefit:
'Synonyms of force: force, compel, coerce,
constrain, oblige, obligate These verbs mean to cause a person or thing to follow a prescribed or dictated course'

So unless I am missing something, people living in the Tyne Valley, without access to public transport are forced to follow a prescribed course in getting into Hexham to continue their onward journey

You may want to nitpick at that, I'm sure you will - after all like most quotes, extracts, sources etc I have provided, they are apparently open to interpretation...

4961 NA52 WVS in Northern Livery on the M1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/9733483851/

Edit: If you want you can share it on other Forums too, as this is the only one I'm part of.

(13 Sep 2013, 1:56 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote 4961 NA52 WVS in Northern Livery on the M1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/9733483851/

Very smart!

(13 Sep 2013, 2:02 pm)BJ10VUS wrote Very smart!

Stood an Hour and 15 Minutes for this, This Morning, I thought it might of ended up on the 88/88A as time was getting on.

Also forgot to note 4957 is back at Washington after it's Loan to Deptford/Peterlee for trial work on the X7. On it's usual M1 Duties.

(13 Sep 2013, 1:56 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote 4961 NA52 WVS in Northern Livery on the M1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/9733483851/

Is the rest of the Scania's at Washington going Northern red?

(13 Sep 2013, 2:17 pm)Michael wrote Is the rest of the Scania's at Washington going Northern red?

No Idea Michael, I haven't heard or read anything about what will happen to 4962-66. Hopefully we'll find in the next week or 2.

(13 Sep 2013, 2:23 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote No Idea Michael, I haven't heard or read anything about what will happen to 4962-66. Hopefully we'll find in the next week or 2.

Wonder then if 4961 is gonna be a spare for the Waggonway?

Gonna be a intresting few months for new orders...

Question:

What colour will the Streetlites/Citaros be when they turn up?

(13 Sep 2013, 2:27 pm)Michael wrote Wonder then if 4961 is gonna be a spare for the Waggonway?

Gonna be a intresting few months for new orders...

Question:

What colour will the Streetlites/Citaros be when they turn up?

Same answer I have No Idea, will have to wait and see

(13 Sep 2013, 1:24 pm)Andreos1 wrote 'Synonyms of force: force, compel, coerce,
constrain, oblige, obligate These verbs mean to cause a person or thing to follow a prescribed or dictated course'

So unless I am missing something, people living in the Tyne Valley, without access to public transport are forced to follow a prescribed course in getting into Hexham to continue their onward journey...

"Constrain" I will grant you. But lack of a bus does not compel, coerce, oblige or obligate anyone into a prescribed or dictated course.

I've often thought that a very interesting and useful bus route would start in Newcastle and operate once a day (and return) via Shotley Bridge to Edmundbyers, Stanhope, Middleton in Teessdale, Kirkby Stephen, Dent, Settle, Burnley and Bury to Manchester. To the best of my knowledge, such a complete route has never existed and I doubt it ever will. But it would be wrong to say that without this bus service people are "forced" into any other course of action; they are simply constrained by lack of one particular choice from many. In this case, the constraint has always existed, so people's choices have always been limited by one less option. This is not to deny the right of anyone living along this particular route to ask for it, but even the most optimistic bus enthusiast would probably admit that there couldn't ever be a sustainable demand for such a thing. Neither is this to deny the right of local authorities along such a route to provide it should they so choose. But you can't turn the absence of such a bus into people being "forced" to do anything other than consider the other options... unless, of course, you're a journalist looking for a catchy headline.

(13 Sep 2013, 2:35 pm)eezypeazy wrote "Constrain" I will grant you. But lack of a bus does not compel, coerce, oblige or obligate anyone into a prescribed or dictated course.

I've often thought that a very interesting and useful bus route would start in Newcastle and operate once a day (and return) via Shotley Bridge to Edmundbyers, Stanhope, Middleton in Teessdale, Kirkby Stephen, Dent, Settle, Burnley and Bury to Manchester. To the best of my knowledge, such a complete route has never existed and I doubt it ever will. But it would be wrong to say that without this bus service people are "forced" into any other course of action; they are simply constrained by lack of one particular choice from many. In this case, the constraint has always existed, so people's choices have always been limited by one less option. This is not to deny the right of anyone living along this particular route to ask for it, but even the most optimistic bus enthusiast would probably admit that there couldn't ever be a sustainable demand for such a thing. Neither is this to deny the right of local authorities along such a route to provide it should they so choose. But you can't turn the absence of such a bus into people being "forced" to do anything other than consider the other options... unless, of course, you're a journalist looking for a catchy headline.

No eezypeazy, if you read it again - slowly if you want...
Those words are synonyms of force, alternatives which can be used depending on the situation.

So in the example I gave: To force (verb) to cause a person or thing to follow a prescribed
or dictated course.
You got that bit though. Excellent!

Pat on the back for eezypeazy and a round of applause.

Lime involved in a little bump on Chester Rd...

(13 Sep 2013, 3:23 pm)Daniel wrote Lime involved in a little bump on Chester Rd...

Looks like it was the cars tried to get though and it hasn't worked.

(13 Sep 2013, 3:41 pm)Michael wrote Looks like it was the cars tried to get though and it hasn't worked.

I imagine the Lime was pulling behind another bus which was already in (hence its position at the stop). The driver behind has misjudged braking distance (likely to have assumed the bus was going to pull all the way into the stop) and managed to crash straight into the back because the bus stopped.
It has caused quite a lot of disruption... Traffic in both directions is being forced to use one lane (where the van is on the photo). Looked quite strange seeing a Silver Arrows Merc overtake so hastily on that lane which I observed.

By any change was the car driver old or a women... not being sexisit but its mainly them who cause problems... lol

(13 Sep 2013, 3:52 pm)Michael wrote By any change was the car driver old or a women... not being sexisit but its mainly them who cause problems... lol

Haha, not sexist nor ageist I hope! :p

The only driver present was the bus driver on his phone sounding rather stressed... A few old biddies sitting on the bench next to the bus stop, but not sure if they were just people sitting around.

Na i'm not against stuff like that was a joke but wouldn't be surprised

(13 Sep 2013, 3:23 pm)Daniel wrote Lime involved in a little bump on Chester Rd...

(13 Sep 2013, 3:23 pm)Daniel wrote Lime involved in a little bump on Chester Rd...

This just a theory here , if you look at the photo to the left showing the rear of both Vehicles, Note the Car has a Punctured Tyre at Front on Left side, could it be possible that when going at Speed the tyre popped and the car has went into the back of the Bus, plus if you look at the Positioning. The car rather than leave a dint in the back of the bus, it has some how managed to twist the rear section of the Bus into the side of the Car upon collision possibly. Plus i'm pretty sure 9/10 Drivers would have managed to get past this sort of thing no bother as it happens on Daily Basis on this Section of Chester RD.

(13 Sep 2013, 4:32 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote This just a theory here , if you look at the photo to the left showing the rear of both Vehicles, Note the Car has a Punctured Tyre at Front on Left side, could it be possible that when going at Speed the tyre popped and the car has went into the back of the Bus, plus if you look at the Positioning. The car rather than leave a dint in the back of the bus, it has some how managed to twist the rear section of the Bus into the side of the Car upon collision possibly. Plus i'm pretty sure 9/10 Drivers would have managed to get past this sort of thing no bother as it happens on Daily Basis on this Section of Chester RD.

Now that you've drawn my attention to it, there does seem to be something unusual about that picture.

(13 Sep 2013, 2:27 pm)Michael wrote Question:

What colour will the Streetlites/Citaros be when they turn up?

I predict that the livery for the Citaros to be used on the M1 won't be quite as intricate.
I have a feeling the "simple but effective" Trent Barton-style livery approach we associated with the "Tynedalexpress" will be rolled out on most upcoming bus liveries.

Who needs Dalziel & Pasco, Morse & Lewis or Cagney & Lacey when you have 'Adam & Malarkey' solving the case?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99O6oTJVHo&feature=youtube_gdata_player (just imagine it is you two in the credits rather than John Thaw and Dennis Waterman) - dur dur dur... Ddddd dur dur d ddd dur...

(13 Sep 2013, 4:54 pm)Andreos1 wrote Who needs Dalziel & Pasco, Morse & Lewis or Cagney & Lacey when you have 'Adam & Malarkey' solving the case?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99O6oTJVHo&feature=youtube_gdata_player (just imagine it is you two in the credits rather than John Thaw and Dennis Waterman) - dur dur dur... Ddddd dur dur d ddd dur...

Hahaha Funny Guy you like Andreos1

(13 Sep 2013, 3:02 pm)Andreos1 wrote Those words are synonyms of force, alternatives which can be used depending on the situation.

So in the example I gave: To force (verb) to cause a person or thing to follow a prescribed or dictated course.

I fully understand synonyms.

You don't seem to understand the definition, though.

To force (verb) to cause a person or thing to follow a prescribed or dictated course.

A total lack of a bus does not force anyone to do anything. It merely constrains their available choices. At worst, they must to do something else, but that is not prescribed or dictated.

My local chip shop burned down. I wasn't forced to buy a pizza - I still have the choice of pizza, Chinese, Indian takeaways, or even a Gregg's pasty. I chose to go pizza, but nobody prescribed or dictated what I should do. I wasn't forced.

Buit if you think otherwise, then you must consider the world to be a very strange place... :s

(13 Sep 2013, 5:18 pm)eezypeazy wrote I fully understand synonyms.

You don't seem to understand the definition, though.

To force (verb) to cause a person or thing to follow a prescribed or dictated course.

A total lack of a bus does not force anyone to do anything. It merely constrains their available choices. At worst, they must to do something else, but that is not prescribed or dictated.

My local chip shop burned down. I wasn't forced to buy a pizza - I still have the choice of pizza, Chinese, Indian takeaways, or even a Gregg's pasty. I chose to go pizza, but nobody prescribed or dictated what I should do. I wasn't forced.

Buit if you think otherwise, then you must consider the world to be a very strange place... :s

What colour is a red Northern bus?
Cos I'm pretty certain you would argue it was blue.

Right... One last time, it might sink in: To force (verb) to cause a person or thing to follow a prescribed or dictated course.

Q: What is the lack of a bus doing to the people in the Tyne Valley?

Is it:
A ) Causing that person to follow a prescribed course and seek alternative forms of transport (see definition of force taken from a dictionary)
to get to their destination?

or

B ) Hail the imaginary bus from an imaginary bus stop?

Just found this for you: www.ukjobs.oup.com/Exp/Vacancy.aspx?VacancyId=46825 Shame we have missed the deadline though.
The role would have been perfect.

We are looking for two people to join the team of lexicographers working on the Oxford English Dictionary (www.oed.com).
The OED documents the English Language from the Middle Ages to the present day and we are looking for one person to work on revising and updating the existing text and one person to work on researching and writing entirely new entries.

You could have re-written the dictionary to suit the eezypeazy school of logic!

(13 Sep 2013, 5:18 pm)eezypeazy wrote I fully understand synonyms.

You don't seem to understand the definition, though.

To force (verb) to cause a person or thing to follow a prescribed or dictated course.

A total lack of a bus does not force anyone to do anything. It merely constrains their available choices. At worst, they must to do something else, but that is not prescribed or dictated.

My local chip shop burned down. I wasn't forced to buy a pizza - I still have the choice of pizza, Chinese, Indian takeaways, or even a Gregg's pasty. I chose to go pizza, but nobody prescribed or dictated what I should do. I wasn't forced.

Buit if you think otherwise, then you must consider the world to be a very strange place... :s

FFS - any chance of getting any further off topic?! I think I preferred the endless flickr links than this! It was obvious what he meant by the original post, this one-upmanship is pointless and irritating. Please give it a rest.

On a totally different note - I've noticed a lot more bendys out on the 58 lately. Had this batch had problems that have (finally) been addressed, or am I imagining it?

(13 Sep 2013, 5:55 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote FFS - any chance of getting any further off topic?! I think I preferred the endless flickr links than this! It was obvious what he meant by the original post, this one-upmanship is pointless and irritating. Please give it a rest.

Where has the like button gone?
Well said.

Whilst not everyone will agree with mine or others opinions or thoughts, they certainly don't go around being pedantic like that fella is.

He has done it on other forums with other people (see www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=982512&page=67)

Not sure why he has seemingly singled out me on this forum (is it a complement or not) or the other guy on Skyscraper City like.

If I didn't know better, I could have sworn he wrote in the style and manner of a well known GNE facebook page...

Willy waving in parts here.

(I've always wanted to say that)

You'll be pleased to know I have no willy waving Flickr links

(13 Sep 2013, 4:46 pm)citaro5284 wrote I know....but not telling

Whatever they come up with has to be better that the current effort - Metrolink has to be one of the worst brands ever! I was sure they hadn't finished applying the vinyls when they first appeared in that bizarre yellow and black 1980s throwback livery. The earlier styles with the swoops incorporated into the liveries were far better and maintained some (subtle) corporate identity too. I reckon the Mercs would look smart in a black base livery but no doubt we'll get more gold or silver (please, not yellow).

(13 Sep 2013, 6:33 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Whatever they come up with has to be better that the current effort - Metrolink has to be one of the worst brands ever! I was sure they hadn't finished applying the vinyls when they first appeared in that bizarre yellow and black 1980s throwback livery. The earlier styles with the swoops incorporated into the liveries were far better and maintained some (subtle) corporate identity too. I reckon the Mercs would look smart in a black base livery but no doubt we'll get more gold or silver (please, not yellow).

I quite link the Metrolink brand, although I thought the original brand was a lot smarter. Simply just a sub branding of the corporate livery.


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