Not sure if the fleet list is completely up to date yet, but just been looking through and was surprised to see some of the old R-COO and V-DNL Darts still listed on there as being withdrawn! Are these still officially on the fleet as I would have thought they'd have been scrapped long ago?

(12 May 2020, 11:04 am)peter wrote Not sure if the fleet list is completely up to date yet, but just been looking through and was surprised to see some of the old R-COO and V-DNL Darts still listed on there as being withdrawn! Are these still officially on the fleet as I would have thought they'd have been scrapped long ago?

Should definitely be completely up to date now!

Storage locations, according to Arriva's internal allocation sheets, as below:
1003 Stockton ex training vehicle
1626 Darlington
1646 Darlington
1647 Darlington
1649 Ashington
1651 Darlington
1653 Darlington
1654 Darlington
1655 Darlington
1656 Darlington
1712 Darlington
1736 Redcar
1737 Thornton being cannibalised
1738 Redcar
1739 Darlington
1906 Darlington
1907 Darlington
1908 Darlington
1910 Stockton
1911 Stockton
1913 Stockton
1915 Stockton
1917 Stockton
1920 Stockton
1922 Stockton
4663 Darlington being cannibalised
7436 Fire brigade using
7475 Ashington

(12 May 2020, 11:23 am)Dan wrote Should definitely be completely up to date now!

Storage locations, according to Arriva's internal allocation sheets, as below:
1003 Stockton ex training vehicle
1626 Darlington
1646 Darlington
1647 Darlington
1649 Ashington
1651 Darlington
1653 Darlington
1654 Darlington
1655 Darlington
1656 Darlington
1712 Darlington
1736 Redcar
1737 Thornton being cannibalised
1738 Redcar
1739 Darlington
1906 Darlington
1907 Darlington
1908 Darlington
1910 Stockton
1911 Stockton
1913 Stockton
1915 Stockton
1917 Stockton
1920 Stockton
1922 Stockton
4663 Darlington being cannibalised
7436 Fire brigade using
7475 Ashington

Ah great, thank you for taking the time to update it! Wow can't believe they've kept those withdrawn darts all this time. I suppose if they have the space in the yard at Darlington and Stockton it saves the expense of removing them, cause I doubt they'd get much for them for scrap!

How many darts are still there which were Busways originally ?


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(12 May 2020, 12:02 pm)cbma06 wrote How many darts are still there which were Busways originally ?


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None of those are ex Busways ones... they're all low floor versions, some new to ANE, some Arriva London.

(12 May 2020, 11:57 am)peter wrote Ah great, thank you for taking the time to update it! Wow can't believe they've kept those withdrawn darts all this time. I suppose if they have the space in the yard at Darlington and Stockton it saves the expense of removing them, cause I doubt they'd get much for them for scrap!

Still quite odd to be honest!

So the story goes, they were never disposed of after withdrawal due to them having a high residual value left on the books. The intention was to wait until they had depreciated sufficiently before scrap, so they wouldn't make a loss on the disposal of the asset. That was years ago though!

They'd probably get between £1200 and £1500 in scrap value (less if they've removed major components) so it's odd that they wouldn't just send them off for scrap.

(12 May 2020, 12:02 pm)cbma06 wrote How many darts are still there which were Busways originally ?


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The L-VNL and P-EEF batch of Darts are long gone, I think, Chris!

(12 May 2020, 12:24 pm)Dan wrote Still quite odd to be honest!

So the story goes, they were never disposed of after withdrawal due to them having a high residual value left on the books. The intention was to wait until they had depreciated sufficiently before scrap, so they wouldn't make a loss on the disposal of the asset. That was years ago though!

They'd probably get between £1200 and £1500 in scrap value (less if they've removed major components) so it's odd that they wouldn't just send them off for scrap.

Hmm very peculiar indeed! Clearly Arriva are in no rush to make a bit of extra cash lol

(12 May 2020, 12:24 pm)Dan wrote Still quite odd to be honest!

So the story goes, they were never disposed of after withdrawal due to them having a high residual value left on the books. The intention was to wait until they had depreciated sufficiently before scrap, so they wouldn't make a loss on the disposal of the asset. That was years ago though!

They'd probably get between £1200 and £1500 in scrap value (less if they've removed major components) so it's odd that they wouldn't just send them off for scrap.


The L-VNL and P-EEF batch of Darts are long gone, I think, Chris!

Thanks for the info Dan, thought there might of one or two still kicking about down there


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1739 is at Redcar.

1911 removed from Stockton yesterday by Alpha

1910 (W313 PPT) noted at Alpha Recovery, Weetslade, yesterday.

Source: Warwick Hunt, Busesnortheast Facebook group.

1626 & 1651 both reported to have been towed away by Alpha today.

Source: John Robinson, Busesnortheast Facebook group.

Arriva certainly seem happy to leave their elderly vehicles lying around for some time! In fact, I recall seeing quite a few Darts and Cadets at the back of Darlington a couple of years ago - is it likely that they're the same ones shown on Dan's list in the second post? Or did they move them between storage loactions?

(08 Jun 2020, 3:18 pm)Dan wrote 1626 & 1651 both reported to have been towed away by Alpha today.

Source: John Robinson, Busesnortheast Facebook group.

1646 also now reported to have been sold for scrap to Alpha Recovery, Weetslade, last week.

Source: Neil Wise, Busesnortheast Facebook group.


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(21 Jun 2020, 8:50 am)Dan wrote 1646 also now reported to have been sold for scrap to Alpha Recovery, Weetslade, last week.

Source: Neil Wise, Busesnortheast Facebook group.


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1003 and three MPDs (assumed to be 1736/38/39 from Redcar) also.

Can anyone confirm the MPDs?


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(21 Jun 2020, 9:32 am)Dan wrote 1003 and three MPDs (assumed to be 1736/38/39 from Redcar) also.

Can anyone confirm the MPDs?


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The full list of movements from the last month are as below.

Volvo B6/Plaxton: 
1003  (L232 TKA)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap 10/06/20. 

Dennis Dart/Plaxton: 
1626  (S626 KHN)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap 10/06/20. 
1646  (R421 COO)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap by 14/06/20. 
1651  (R426 COO)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap 10/06/20. 

DAF SB120/Wright: 
1913  (W317 PPT)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap 10/06/20. 

Dennis MiniDart/Plaxton: 
1736  (V736 DNL)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap by 14/06/20. 
1738  (V738 DNL)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap by 14/06/20. 
1739  (V739 DNL)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap by 14/06/20.

1769 has been moved to the 'graveyard' section of Ashington depot today, believe it has been withdrawn and replaced with a Solo from Belmont.

(10 Jul 2020, 7:47 pm)Cobalt271 wrote 1769 has been moved to the 'graveyard' section of Ashington depot today, believe it has been withdrawn and replaced with a Solo from Belmont.

Speaking of Solo's at Belmont does anybody know the current status of 2823 - YK08 ETZ? According to Bustimes it hasn't worked in service since 8 Feb (obviously there's every chance it has operated since then and just hasn't tracked) but was wondering if it was longterm VOR or had perhaps been withdrawn from service?

(29 Jun 2020, 5:56 pm)omnicity4659 wrote The full list of movements from the last month are as below.

Volvo B6/Plaxton: 
1003  (L232 TKA)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap 10/06/20. 

Dennis Dart/Plaxton: 
1626  (S626 KHN)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap 10/06/20. 
1646  (R421 COO)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap by 14/06/20. 
1651  (R426 COO)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap 10/06/20. 

DAF SB120/Wright: 
1913  (W317 PPT)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap 10/06/20. 

Dennis MiniDart/Plaxton: 
1736  (V736 DNL)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap by 14/06/20. 
1738  (V738 DNL)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap by 14/06/20. 
1739  (V739 DNL)  to  Alpha,  Weetslade  for scrap by 14/06/20.

The darts are still in redcar depot along with 2828

I thought 2828 went up in smoke?

(12 Jul 2020, 4:43 pm)V514DFT wrote I thought 2828 went up in smoke?

It did indeed, I think Ryland was making the point that the withdrawn darts are actually still at the bottom of Redcar depot along with whatever remains of 2828

(12 Jul 2020, 4:43 pm)V514DFT wrote I thought 2828 went up in smoke?

It did hence why it's withdrawn. I think it was duff information about the Redcar Darts being sold to Alpha - they are still in Redcar's yard.
There is one in Thornton's yard too.

I see

(12 May 2020, 12:24 pm)Dan wrote Still quite odd to be honest!

So the story goes, they were never disposed of after withdrawal due to them having a high residual value left on the books. The intention was to wait until they had depreciated sufficiently before scrap, so they wouldn't make a loss on the disposal of the asset. That was years ago though!

They'd probably get between £1200 and £1500 in scrap value (less if they've removed major components) so it's odd that they wouldn't just send them off for scrap.


The L-VNL and P-EEF batch of Darts are long gone, I think, Chris!

Same reason in London there is a multitude of withdrawn buses from time passed just sitting in a yard.