(06 Feb 2021, 1:57 pm)streetdeckfan wrote It'd be good if they could make use of the park and ride services and have a bus station further afield, but then we'd have people complaining about having to catch 3 buses!

It'd be nice in theory, but I am not sure whether it would encourage people to use public transport. I work in Durham and I know people would rather pay 3 times the price to park in the City Centre, rather than have to get the bus in with the Park and Ride. Mainly because the buses are too crowded at the times they're needed.

I was thinking more of having cross-city services. You could still do your changeovers etc in Durham, but the bus wouldn't need to be there for long enough for the driver to have an excuse to dump it on a stand.

(06 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)Adrian wrote It'd be nice in theory, but I am not sure whether it would encourage people to use public transport. I work in Durham and I know people would rather pay 3 times the price to park in the City Centre, rather than have to get the bus in with the Park and Ride. Mainly because the buses are too crowded at the times they're needed.

I was thinking more of having cross-city services. You could still do your changeovers etc in Durham, but the bus wouldn't need to be there for long enough for the driver to have an excuse to dump it on a stand.

The fact that prior to going back into lockdown I was often seeing the PR1 with 'Bus Full' at peak times will potentially go further to putting people off using it in future.

The fact that during the works you'll have to get off the PR1 at either Wharton Park or Claypath/Millburngate Bridge stops may put a few off further and this is on top of the PR2 currently terminating outside the courts because of the New Elvet Bridge replacement works.

Can't say I'm looking forward to the prospects of only having a small space to wait for my bus whilst still in a global pandemic and having to social distance, I'm half tempted to change between the 7 & X21 at Croxdale rather than Durham or return home via Peterlee on the X10 & X21 to dodge it.

(06 Feb 2021, 1:57 pm)streetdeckfan wrote It'd be good if they could make use of the park and ride services and have a bus station further afield, but then we'd have people complaining about having to catch 3 buses!

Disagree with that mind, would just be unpopular as it's too much hassle changing buses. Changes like that will only work if it's a Bus to Metro, Bus to Tram or Bus to Train with no additional costs to do so.

(06 Feb 2021, 7:50 pm)cbma06 wrote Autumn 2022

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Thank you for your update.  I shall probably still come to the Newcastle area later this year.  I may avoid Durham for now though.

(06 Feb 2021, 1:24 pm)Adrian wrote How do you propose that they make the space, out of interest? The current site has very little scope for expansion IMO. There's a Grade II listed building to the North West of the site and one to the South.

I would have looked at reviewing the road layout entirely and see if the entire top section of North Road could be incorporated into the station, having an island building with stands on both sides.

(07 Feb 2021, 5:11 pm)James101 wrote I would have looked at reviewing the road layout entirely and see if the entire top section of North Road could be incorporated into the station, having an island building with stands on both sides.

Yeah, they definitely could make better use of North Road, especially for through services like the X12 and X21, so they're not caught out by Arriva's frequent bus dumping.

Northern Echo: What Durham looked like on the first day of the bus station closure
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...b4o9fx4-Bc

(15 Feb 2021, 6:39 pm)Adrian wrote Northern Echo: What Durham looked like on the first day of the bus station closure
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...b4o9fx4-Bc

That's going to be fantastic when traffic levels get back to normal...

I think you mentioned it further up, I think Durham is set up for far more for cross-city services than it is for services terminating in a bus station. 

ANEs 43, 48, 49, 49A, 64, 56, 57, 58 could all be combined into a new set of services which serve Millburngate instead of the bus station (I'm aware some of those already don't serve DBS). If push came to shove you could probably also look at extending something like the 6 to terminate at the Arnison Centre, for example, rather than DBS.

(15 Feb 2021, 7:51 pm)mb134 wrote That's going to be fantastic when traffic levels get back to normal...

I think you mentioned it further up, I think Durham is set up for far more for cross-city services than it is for services terminating in a bus station. 

ANEs 43, 48, 49, 49A, 64, 56, 57, 58 could all be combined into a new set of services which serve Millburngate instead of the bus station (I'm aware some of those already don't serve DBS). If push came to shove you could probably also look at extending something like the 6 to terminate at the Arnison Centre, for example, rather than DBS.

I don't think making more services 'Cross City' would make much of a difference at least for Arriva considering every service bar Darlington depot 7's and Stockton depot X12's have driver changeovers in Durham City Centre so you'd still have the issue of buses being dumped, just difference is this would now occur in a different part of the City Centre.

I think the big issue with Durham Bus Station is the lack of layover facilities, in an ideal world you would have a set down zone to drop passengers off on journeys terminating in the Bus Station then the bus could pull onto a layover stand to do a driver changeover if required*, not currently the space to really do this due to Arriva having buses spare on the layover stands plus GNE taking a stand around midday for driver changeovers/break room for drivers on the 40's. Only other solution would be more stands for departures.
*I'm aware this would require Arriva to actually use it which is probably too much to ask lol

The new bus station will most likely face the same issues as its predecessor but at very least it can't be anymore unpleasant for passengers to wait in, surely?!

(05 Feb 2021, 6:01 pm)mb134 wrote Whole scheme screams "lipstick on a pig". 

The design of the actual bus station is not fit for purpose, especially when Arriva decide it makes a cute little mini-depot.

I completely agree with this. Unfit for purpose as the old bus station was, it is going to solve neither the problem of stand blocking or of north road antisocial behaviour. (covid has done a better job of both)

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(07 Feb 2021, 12:14 am)Jimmi wrote The fact that prior to going back into lockdown I was often seeing the PR1 with 'Bus Full' at peak times will potentially go further to putting people off using it in future.

The fact that during the works you'll have to get off the PR1 at either Wharton Park or Claypath/Millburngate Bridge stops may put a few off further and this is on top of the PR2 currently terminating outside the courts because of the New Elvet Bridge replacement works.

Can't say I'm looking forward to the prospects of only having a small space to wait for my bus whilst still in a global pandemic and having to social distance, I'm half tempted to change between the 7 & X21 at Croxdale rather than Durham or return home via Peterlee on the X10 & X21 to dodge it.

I caught pr1 a few times when I lived in east Durham. And needed to get to hospital appointments. and on Saturday mornings and weekdays after 3, it was always rammed. (I live near the hospital and just watch it pass, these days!)

This will be interesting to see what happens if a bus breaks down at one of the stops or two buses end up coming together needing the same stop. Can see it carnage at some point especially with Buses having to use the stops for what can be for some services a long layover as well.

(12 Mar 2021, 6:59 pm)col87 wrote This will be interesting to see what happens if a bus breaks down at one of the stops or two buses end up coming together needing the same stop. Can see it carnage at some point especially with Buses having to use the stops for what can be for some services a long layover as well.

Regarding layover, operators have been advised "Lay over areas situated on Sutton Street and Framwellgate Peth to ensure buses are not waiting on temporary bus stops longer than required. This improves pedestrian and driver visibility whilst reducing potential for services to obstruct one another, improving bus flow and in turn reducing potential bus delay and associated increase in passengers on footways."

(12 Mar 2021, 7:04 pm)Adrian wrote Regarding layover, operators have been advised "Lay over areas situated on Sutton Street and Framwellgate Peth to ensure buses are not waiting on temporary bus stops longer than required. This improves pedestrian and driver visibility whilst reducing potential for services to obstruct one another, improving bus flow and in turn reducing potential bus delay and associated increase in passengers on footways."

Sounds like a good idea in principle, but I can't see it being over with Arriva drivers. It's bound to generate some unwanted heat.

With regards to the design, I think they should have put a canopy on the North Road side and add 2 stands facing Northbound on North Road, replacing the parking spaces and loading bay, move them to the opposite side of the road with the bus stops there moved a bit further down or move the disabled parking spaces further down.

(12 Mar 2021, 8:32 pm)Rapidsnap wrote With regards to the design, I think they should have put a canopy on the North Road side and add 2 stands facing Northbound on North Road, replacing the parking spaces and loading bay, move them to the opposite side of the road with the bus stops there moved a bit further down or move the disabled parking spaces further down.

How would the buses get to be north-bound facing though? The only way to do it at present is looping the bus station, which is no longer possible.

(12 Mar 2021, 8:43 pm)Adrian wrote How would the buses get to be north-bound facing though? The only way to do it at present is looping the bus station, which is no longer possible.

 Obviously the bus Station it self is closed but is not possible to still use it as a layover point if passengers are dropped off before they enter.    I don’t know Durham to well but could they not have made a temporary bus Station elsewhere while the work is taking place like how Middlesbrough use Sainsbury’s back in 2012 while that one was been done up. Even if it was a park and ride site it wouldn’t have been to bad with a regular shuttle service and the existing 64 21 X21 services  to north road still might have worked.

(12 Mar 2021, 8:43 pm)Adrian wrote How would the buses get to be north-bound facing though? The only way to do it at present is looping the bus station, which is no longer possible.

I meant on the completed new bus station, not with the current situation.

They haven’t planned the stops very good. One Hartlepool service is at stand C the other is right at the other end on Milburngate so no good if wanting to see which one comes first which I would think many people did. I think it could put quite a few people off going to Durham but we will see.

(29 Apr 2021, 8:32 pm)col87 wrote They haven’t planned the stops very good. One Hartlepool service is at stand C the other is right at the other end on Milburngate so no good if wanting to see which one comes first which I would think many people did. I think it could put quite a few people off going to Durham but we will see.

Same problem as when you were in the old Durham Bus Station really. If something pulled into C when you were at the other end, you couldn't see it because of the frame of the building obstructing the destination screen.

Does anyone have any update on how the bus station is taking place

(30 Jul 2021, 9:56 pm)Ryland wrote Does anyone have any update on how the bus station is taking place

Yes - Durham County Council posted one on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjIXuC-VVYY&ab_channel=DurhamCountyCouncil

(31 Jul 2021, 8:30 pm)Adrian wrote Yes - Durham County Council posted one on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjIXuC-VVYY&ab_channel=DurhamCountyCouncil

That video is abit old now , as the whole building has been flattened for a few weeks now


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(31 Jul 2021, 8:46 pm)cbma06 wrote That video is abit old now , as the whole building has been flattened for a few weeks now

It was only posted last week!

(31 Jul 2021, 8:46 pm)cbma06 wrote That video is abit old now , as the whole building has been flattened for a few weeks now


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I feel like it's been knocked down at least a month, maybe 2 now

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(31 Jul 2021, 10:28 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I feel like it's been knocked down at least a month, maybe 2 now

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Yea, lost track of time [emoji23], the footings and foundations will take up most of the time then the building will shoot up


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From a local Councillor-

I have received some disappointing news from DCC regarding the timescales for the new Bus Station development, which is now due to open in Spring 2023. DCC officers say:

The development of the new station has been progressing well but due to unforeseen circumstances we have had to temporarily stop work, with this currently programmed to restart after the Christmas holidays. The delay in the programme is likely to mean the bus station becoming operational to passengers in Spring 2023, although all re-programming options are being investigated. Any opportunities to bring forward the projected completion date will be considered where possible and practical.

The main reason for the pause in construction is structural works to the gable end of the Grade Listed Manse being required, which was exposed after the previous bus station was demolished. Structural engineers and surveyors are currently agreeing the best way to proceed, but the timescales are dictated and constrained by the statutory processes involved in party wall agreements.

All demolition works are complete, as are all ground investigations, ground water testing, soil testing and gas monitoring. Culvert diversion and replacement and utility diversions are also finalised. All opportunities to continue with the construction elements have been considered but are just not possible.

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(08 Oct 2021, 4:44 pm)Adrian wrote From a local Councillor-


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I thought the site had seemed empty for the last few weeks

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(08 Oct 2021, 5:01 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I thought the site had seemed empty for the last few weeks

Bit of a view of the site from above from everyone's favourite bus seduction consultant: https://twitter.com/creatingdesire/statu...31b91VpCEw&s=19

Very disappointing news, its an absolute pain trying to get from one end of North Road to the other which I'll likely have to endure more often now the 7 has such a long layover and they like to boot you off practically on the roundabout.

Really not looking to waiting in the open this winter especially at night.

Blimey. That will be the death of most north road businesses, then.

(08 Oct 2021, 10:19 pm)Jimmi wrote Bit of a view of the site from above from everyone's favourite bus seduction consultant: https://twitter.com/creatingdesire/statu...31b91VpCEw&s=19

Very disappointing news, its an absolute pain trying to get from one end of North Road to the other which I'll likely have to endure more often now the 7 has such a long layover and they like to boot you off practically on the roundabout.

Really not looking to waiting in the open this winter especially at night.

You get a good view from the top deck driving past.

If I have a long-ish wait at Durham I normally just pop into Spoons for a coffee or 3