Some proposed changes from Nexus now listed at https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation

To save people lots of clicking between the different pages, the proposals are:

11 (evening & Sunday) divert route to serve Ferry Landing/Fish Quay in place of service 19.
19 (evening & Sunday) to withdraw.
32A (evening & Sunday) to withdraw evening services. Sunday service reduce to hourly and extend to/from Walker.
33/33A to amend route to serve Shieldfield and Northumbria University.
44 to remove the Saturday 06:03 Dinnington - Newcastle journey.
91 to be retimed. 09:00 from Newcastle and 17:38 from Team Valley to be withdrawn.
333 to withdraw.
335 to extend to Ferry Landing/Fish Quay in place of 333.
351 new service to replace 359, Mon to Sat hourly service from Backworth Shrewsbury Drive to Whitley Bay Metro via Heritage Green, Northumberland Park, Earsdon Village, Sainsbury’s West Monkseaton, Beaumont Park, Whitley Lodge and Whitley Bay Town Centre
359 to withdraw, replace with new 351.
552 curtail 06:43 from Brunswick Village to start at Regent Centre at 07:20 instead (10 mins later at Regent Centre to allow time for connecting services).
553 to withdraw the 06:53 Wallsend - Freeman Hospital and 16:46 Freeman Hospital - Battle Hill.
643 to allocate subsidy to allow the service to continue.
K1 to withdraw.
K2 to revise route to additionally serve Forest Hall Shops.
W3 revise to serve Murton village.

The proposed changes to the 33/33A seem far to sensible to have been devised at NEXUS House. But fair play to them as its good idea linking Jesmond with the University

My opinion if there will be good enough

11 I think would do well plus it gives a full route along the Fish Quay that the 333 does not do on a Sunday

32A seems okay but is there really a demand for it to run any further than Newcastle (to Walker)

33/33A seems like a good option. No need for it to serve the route it currently does as there's to many services that run its route into town (next to Jesmond(if that makes sense)

44 & 91 can't say as don't know what passengers numbers are like

333 had some complain about its route change back in July there's that factor to consider

335 I saw quite a few people ask for it to be extended to the fish Quay as the 333 & 335 never linked up in time at North Shields

351 I think would do really well as it gives people a link to Whitley Bay (also plus) it serves Whitley Bay Metro

359 can't really say for passengers numbers round Marsden

552&553 can't really say for passengers numbers

643 not to sure. Seems a bit busy when I've been at the Metrocentre

K1 & K2 might have a problem with the K1 but seems okay to me

W3 I'd say it might do well

(07 Dec 2021, 7:16 pm)Bob wrote Some proposed changes from Nexus now listed at https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation

I can see some positives in the 333/335 changes. A shame that the link to Tynemouth would cease though.

Can only see positives with that 33 proposal.

Totally unsurprised about the 643. 
Was it Thatcher who invented the term 'managed decline'?

Wouldn't be surprised if proposals came forward for Sunderland soon.

(07 Dec 2021, 10:22 pm)Michael wrote Wouldn't be surprised if proposals came forward for Sunderland soon.

But what would you change.

Question here is. These changes to services that nexus have put up. Is there any PVR change to any of them at all

Also would the 351 go to Go North East or go to Gateshead Central Taxis

Is the 33/33A staying with Go North East or going to Gateshead Central Taxis

(08 Dec 2021, 12:10 am)Train8261 wrote Question here is. These changes to services that nexus have put up. Is there any PVR change to any of them at all

Also would the 351 go to Go North East or go to Gateshead Central Taxis

Is the 33/33A staying with Go North East or going to Gateshead Central Taxis

They’ll go out for tender so you’ll have to wait until the results of them to find out.

(07 Dec 2021, 10:43 pm)Keeiajs wrote But what would you change.

Honestly not sure, I rarely use the services so I don't know if they're popular or not, but wouldn't be surprised if the 135/136 go.

(08 Dec 2021, 1:02 am)Thomas12 wrote They’ll go out for tender so you’ll have to wait until the results of them to find out.

Possible the 11 would go back to Go North East unless they all go back to Go North East

(08 Dec 2021, 3:23 pm)Train8261 wrote Possible the 11 would go back to Go North East unless they all go back to Go North East

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Could we see GNE Cancelling them all completely, Closing Percy Main and Transfering the 1 & 309/310/311 to Riverside?

(08 Dec 2021, 3:23 pm)Train8261 wrote Possible the 11 would go back to Go North East unless they all go back to Go North East

Why would they go back to GNE? The only way you're going to guarantee that, is if they take the services on commercially. 

Seeing as they're out to tender, it looks like they've got no intention of doing that and are more than happy for the taxpayer to help fund it. 
Sad really.

What routes have went out to Tender?

(08 Dec 2021, 11:05 pm)Keeiajs wrote What routes have went out to Tender?

Probably guessing all the routes that nexus run but could be wrong

(08 Dec 2021, 11:19 pm)Train8261 wrote Probably guessing all the routes that nexus run but could be wrong

I know GNE can't run some routes commercially. 

but I don't understand the logic of giving like the evening routes to another company, most likely most will go to GCT which I have heard there fleet are being kept together via ducktape, surely they should be refused to get as many contracts. Why can't a company just run 1 service all day and not have like SC in the morning, GNE through the day, GCT on a night. Like it is just confusing

(08 Dec 2021, 11:36 pm)Keeiajs wrote I know GNE can't run some routes commercially. 

but I don't understand the logic of giving like the evening routes to another company, most likely most will go to GCT which I have heard there fleet are being kept together via ducktape, surely they should be refused to get as many contracts. Why can't a company just run 1 service all day and not have like SC in the morning, GNE through the day, GCT on a night. Like it is just confusing

I don't understand what's GNE problem with the Little Coasters network. They have given up on it. They took back nearly every route gct had on the other side of the water. But only took the 19 back due to complaints it never turned up by gct

(08 Dec 2021, 10:18 pm)Andreos1 wrote Why would they go back to GNE? The only way you're going to guarantee that, is if they take the services on commercially. 

Seeing as they're out to tender, it looks like they've got no intention of doing that and are more than happy for the taxpayer to help fund it. 
Sad really.

The irony in your post here is that even Nexus are proposing to reduce service levels on the journeys which they provide.

If the local authority cannot justify keeping the services in their current format, I doubt a bus company at 80% of pre-Covid passenger levels/revenue will be able to do it either.


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(09 Dec 2021, 5:35 am)Dan wrote The irony in your post here is that even Nexus are proposing to reduce service levels on the journeys which they provide.

If the local authority cannot justify keeping the services in their current format, I doubt a bus company at 80% of pre-Covid passenger levels/revenue will be able to do it either. 


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The irony in your post here is that even before Covid, GNE couldn't justify doing it either.

(09 Dec 2021, 7:59 am)Andreos1 wrote The irony in your post here is that even before Covid, GNE couldn't justify doing it either.

Bang on... Not sure what you find ironic about my post, but if operators couldn't do it pre-Covid (let's not forget Arriva and Stagecoach both have similar services themselves), they're even less likely to be able to do it now.

I think you'll find in the coming months that all three of the region's operators will be looking to scale back their networks, concentrate on the core and see how they can develop that, rather than focusing on weak points or taking back work that is, and will never be, profitable. Whilst there are many benefits to come from the BSIP (should the region be successful in its bid), it also looks at rationalisation of the network too.

I’m surprised stagecoach hasn’t scrapped the 18 in Sunderland yet that’s always a dead route! The 8 is often dead too

(09 Dec 2021, 9:16 am)Dan wrote Bang on... Not sure what you find ironic about my post, but if operators couldn't do it pre-Covid (let's not forget Arriva and Stagecoach both have similar services themselves), they're even less likely to be able to do it now. 

I think you'll find in the coming months that all three of the region's operators will be looking to scale back their networks, concentrate on the core and see how they can develop that, rather than focusing on weak points or taking back work that is, and will never be, profitable. Whilst there are many benefits to come from the BSIP (should the region be successful in its bid), it also looks at rationalisation of the network too.

Those million pound operating divisions could afford to do it.
They chose not to based on margins and the like. Rather than look to grow or manage those margins in a pro-active manner, they took the easy way out and ensured the taxpayer funded it.
Unless it didn't suit them and all of a sudden those routes became viable overnight - like the 97 did.

I don't have a problem with what Nexus are doing in practice - I still think they are appallingly run (along with the Joint Transport whatever it is) 

The risk with all of this is they cut existing services because nobody uses them (fair enough) but is that because the existing service doesn't meet the needs of anyone and is unchanged in large parts since the 00s

I've some faith that a commercial operator will look and say - ok, nobody is travelling to Cobalt 5 days a week anymore and barely anyone at 7 or working 9-5, I'll reduce those services and work with Cobalt to understand when employees are in the office and if we can incentivise the travel with the companies based there and target services accordingly. Nexus won't do that.

(09 Dec 2021, 1:29 pm)Ambassador wrote I don't have a problem with what Nexus are doing in practice - I still think they are appallingly run (along with the Joint Transport whatever it is) 

The risk with all of this is they cut existing services because nobody uses them (fair enough) but is that because the existing service doesn't meet the needs of anyone and is unchanged in large parts since the 00s

I've some faith that a commercial operator will look and say - ok, nobody is travelling to Cobalt 5 days a week anymore and barely anyone at 7 or working 9-5, I'll reduce those services and work with Cobalt to understand when employees are in the office and if we can incentivise the travel with the companies based there and target services accordingly. Nexus won't do that.

You have more faith than me!
Particularly as the network is pretty much as it was 20, 30, 40 years back and looks just like the map on a wall in Beamish.

BSIP..

Expect more cuts, expect less subsidy, expect more paint..

Oh and cheap refurbs, like the pathetic quality of the 27 & 56 compared to 309/10/11. Not to mention nothing remotely new for ANE or Stagecoach..

Bus improvement my ****

In my opinion. Go North East are gonna lose North Tyneside to Arriva Stagecoach & Gateshead Central Taxis. Only routes keeping Go North East in North Tyneside is 309/310/311/1 that's it

(09 Dec 2021, 2:09 pm)54APhotography wrote BSIP..

Expect more cuts, expect less subsidy, expect more paint..

Oh and cheap refurbs, like the pathetic quality of the 27 & 56 compared to 309/10/11. Not to mention nothing remotely new for ANE or Stagecoach..

Bus improvement my ****

Arriva must buy new for the CAZ, that can't be avoided.

(09 Dec 2021, 6:36 pm)RobinHood wrote Arriva must buy new for the CAZ, that can't be avoided.

A lot cheaper to retrofit Euro 6 SCRT without council funding than it is to buy new!


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(09 Dec 2021, 6:36 pm)RobinHood wrote Arriva must buy new for the CAZ, that can't be avoided.

DB will be desperate to sell now, six months or so to go? No buyers and with covid still hanging around our necks, who will cough up knowing its mass fleet replacement or nothing...

(09 Dec 2021, 6:36 pm)RobinHood wrote Arriva must buy new for the CAZ, that can't be avoided.

The majority of the Arriva fleet is Euro 6. It's Stagecoach who have the problems with the MANs. On paper bar a few Solo's at Jesmond and a few spare B7's I believe the whole Arriva Northumbria fleet is already done.

There's buses being released from London no doubt to fill the gaps including a batch of DB300's soon.