(10 Jun 2022, 9:54 pm)Michael wrote Changes on VOSA for the 24 July 2022:

Variation:


PB0003954/732
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 2 (2, 2A) Silksworth Washington

PB0003954/557
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 69 (69) Winlaton Wardley

PB0003954/733
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 4 (4) Houghton-le-Spring Heworth Metro

PB0003954/735
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 8 (8, 8A) Sunderland Stanley

PB0003954/771
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 91 (91) West Chirton Team Valley South

PB0003954/365
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X15 (X15, X5) Durham Castleside

PB0003954/805
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 39 (39, 39A, 39B) Pennywell Doxford International

PB0003954/824
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X10 (X10) Peterlee Middlesbrough

PB0003954/367
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X45 (X45) Hownsgill Industrial Estate Newcastle

PB0003954/763
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 937 (937) Chester-le-Street Team Valley

PB0003954/806
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 35 (35, 35A) Boldon Low Moorsley

PB0003954/809
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 34 (34) Waldridge Park Ouston

PB0003954/823
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X10 (X10) Newcastle Peterlee

PB0003954/559
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 10 (10, 10A, 10B) Blackhall Mill Newcastle

PB0003954/686
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 58 (58, X58) Follingsby Amazon Newcastle

PB0003954/720
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED V1 (V1, V2) Consett Consett

PB0003954/777
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 60 (60) Sunderland Parkside

PB0003954/779
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 56 (56) Sunderland Newcastle

PB0003954/296
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 49,49A (49, 49A) Gateshead Winlaton

PB0003954/351
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 27 (27) South Shields Newcastle

PB0003954/364
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X71 (X71, X72) Stanley Newcastle

PB0003954/822
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED N21 (21, N21) Newcastle Durham University College

New:

PB0003954/1273
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 24 (24) Sunderland South Shields

PB0003954/1272
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X21 (X21) West Auckland Newcastle


Cancelled:

PB0003954/651
Cancellation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 808 (808D) Castleside Consett Academy

PB0003954/762
Cancellation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 25 (25) Langley Park Newcastle

PB0003954/659
Cancellation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 448 (448) Bedlington Station Guide Post

PB0003954/772
Cancellation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 85 (85, 85A) Washington Galleries Concord

PB0003954/520
Cancellation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 29 (29) Kibblesworth Gateshead

PB0003954/658
Cancellation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 434 (434) Bedlington Station Linton

I would have thought that West Auckland to Newcastle via X21 route was over 50km.

(10 Jun 2022, 10:07 pm)busmanT wrote I would have thought that West Auckland to Newcastle via X21 route was over 50km.

Perhaps not now that it is shortened?


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Hopefully we'll hear about the final changes, later next week.

Better than ever! Shysters

As a complete contrast to the massive amounts of cuts happening on the 24th July, one of the drivers on the 1 said today that the Q3 is going back to Wallsend from the the 24th July.

Seems quite a strange thing to happen considering it was only cut in March, so unsure if it is true.

Is that a 39B i see

(11 Jun 2022, 9:10 am)V514DFT wrote Is that a 39B i see

Ye, could be the Houghton runs, replacing the 55?


I thought had moved on from having 4 different variations of service numbers!

Remember the 35/A/B/C and how confusing those were!

(11 Jun 2022, 9:59 am)Michael wrote PB0003954/1165
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 61 (61, 861) Peterlee Sunderland

This has caught my eye. Wonder if they're effectively bringing back the 152 to replace the 62, by extending the 61 to Peterlee? Wonder how that'll work with the loop round Murton if that's a thing.

(11 Jun 2022, 9:10 am)V514DFT wrote Is that a 39B i see

39B could be some renumbered 39 via tunstall estate, secured by nexus to replace the 38 in that section, on the 39 vosa listing, I can’t see anywhere on it mentioning Houghton


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I have edited my OP for the changes - I will try and edit it, as more changes appear

More have been added

(10 Jun 2022, 10:08 pm)Dan wrote Perhaps not now that it is shortened?


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Will the X21 still have a long layover in Newcastle or will that be cut with the shortening to save costs?

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Why is the X45 and 16/16A showing their starting points at Hownsgill rather than Consett Bus Station?

(10 Jun 2022, 11:23 pm)Thomas12 wrote As a complete contrast to the massive amounts of cuts happening on the 24th July, one of the drivers on the 1 said today that the Q3 is going back to Wallsend from the the 24th July.

Seems quite a strange thing to happen considering it was only cut in March, so unsure if it is true.

Perhaps Nexus are funding it to go back to Wallsend.

(11 Jun 2022, 10:12 am)F114TML wrote This has caught my eye. Wonder if they're effectively bringing back the 152 to replace the 62, by extending the 61 to Peterlee? Wonder how that'll work with the loop round Murton if that's a thing.

Since an "861" is mentioned there, that'll probably be it. Though the 8 prefix may merely indicate that it's a scholars service, which the vast majority of 8xx services are iirc.

(11 Jun 2022, 11:25 am)wibblejunior wrote Since an "861" is mentioned there, that'll probably be it. Though the 8 prefix may merely indicate that it's a scholars service, which the vast majority of 8xx services are iirc.

Aye, they've used the 6, 7 or 9 prefix for something they think is going to fill a commercial gap on a temporary basis till the furor dies down a bit.

I reckon you're right with the 8xx prefix and it being a scholars service.

(11 Jun 2022, 11:02 am)L469 YVK wrote Will the X21 still have a long layover in Newcastle or will that be cut with the shortening to save costs?

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Why is the X45 and 16/16A showing their starting points at Hownsgill rather than Consett Bus Station?

Presumably the first and last journeys of the day will run in service to/from Hownsgill, perhaps so they can claim BSOG

(11 Jun 2022, 11:29 am)peter wrote Presumably the first and last journeys of the day will run in service to/from Hownsgill, perhaps so they can claim BSOG

A bit like some of Arriva 7's did from Faverdale maybe as a number 19? (still don't know if they do now?)

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And will Consett's interworking patterns / PVR's be?:

- X45/X71/X72 - PVR 9

- X30/X31 - PVR 3 (changeover at Stanley + peak extras)

- 47 - PVR 6

Will the evening and or Sunday X30/X72 stay at Consett or will Riverside take these on interworking with the 6 & 12 using StreetLites?

(11 Jun 2022, 11:43 am)L469 YVK wrote A bit like some of Arriva 7's did from Faverdale maybe as a number 19? (still don't know if they do now?)

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And will Consett's interworking patterns / PVR's be?:

- X45/X71/X72 - PVR 9

- X30/X31 - PVR 3 (changeover at Stanley + peak extras)

- 47 - PVR 6

Will the evening and or Sunday X30/X72 stay at Consett or will Riverside take these on interworking with the 6 & 12 using StreetLites?

The peaks on an evening are probs done by School drivers

(11 Jun 2022, 11:51 am)Unber43 wrote The peaks on an evening are probs done by School drivers

The peaks would either have to be low height deckers or single decks.

(11 Jun 2022, 11:25 am)wibblejunior wrote Since an "861" is mentioned there, that'll probably be it. Though the 8 prefix may merely indicate that it's a scholars service, which the vast majority of 8xx services are iirc.

 I assumed the 861 was a dedicated school service for Seaham High, basically what is currently the 1508 from Sunderland.

Is this set in stone, bit disappointed about the 82, especially between Birtley and Washington

(11 Jun 2022, 1:03 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Is this set in stone, bit disappointed about the 82, especially between Birtley and Washington

Nexus tender results still to be taken into account?

(11 Jun 2022, 1:32 pm)busmanT wrote Nexus tender results still to be taken into account?

Yes Indeed…

I wonder if they will bolt something onto the 34 to allow Crew Changes in Washington covering some of the axed routes? 

Otherwise will be a lot of dead mileage?

(11 Jun 2022, 3:03 pm)gc802002 wrote Yes Indeed…

I wonder if they will bolt something onto the 34 to allow Crew Changes in Washington covering some of the axed routes? 

Otherwise will be a lot of dead mileage?

Can't really use the 34 as you'll either leave Ouston or Urpeth Grange without a bus service. It'll more likely be bolted onto the 23 if anything or maybe something merged with the 25 and the 23 removed altogether.

The 37 will no doubt be redirected at the other end of the route to cover Washington village with the 73 potentially scrapped altogether (it copies the 8 mostly anyway).

Nexus don't care about GNE's dead milage that's not their problem.

(10 Jun 2022, 9:54 pm)Michael wrote Changes on VOSA for the 24 July 2022:

Variation:

PB0003954/557
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 69 (69) Winlaton Wardley

This is an interesting one considering it was proposed to be cancelled outright in the consultation.

(10 Jun 2022, 9:54 pm)Michael wrote PB0003954/1101
Cancellation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 31 (31) Stanley Stanley

PB0003954/1207
Cancellation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 30 (30) Quaking Houses Stanley

I thought it was just the 30 being cancelled, not the 31 as well?

(11 Jun 2022, 3:09 pm)Jimmi wrote This is an interesting one considering it was proposed to be cancelled outright in the consultation.

The 69B might be staying and the rest cancelled?

(11 Jun 2022, 3:49 pm)Jack Gill wrote I thought it was just the 30 being cancelled, not the 31 as well?

Was no mention of the 31 being cancelled in the consultation... shysters...

I did wonder about the 31 considering it interworks with the outgoing 30.

(11 Jun 2022, 4:00 pm)Jimmi wrote Was no mention of the 31 being cancelled in the consultation... shysters...

I did wonder about the 31 considering it interworks with the outgoing 30.

Perhaps they could be making some sort of new route combining the both, not sure how that would work though.

Only 8 working days to consider almost 9,000 responses, then look again at the proposals, finalising them and registering them?

(11 Jun 2022, 4:13 pm)Adrian wrote Only 8 working days to consider almost 9,000 responses, then look again at the proposals, finalising them and registering them?

not to be cynical, but I very much doubt that they read any of the responses.