(21 Jun 2022, 11:45 am)busmanT wrote I read it as the 25 is running half hourly Newcastle to Eighton Banks.

There will now be no changes to service 25 between Eighton Banks and Newcastle, and as such the route of service 1 will remain unchanged

That what it says. Only changes to the 1 is its going back to Gateshead every 30 minutes on evenings

(21 Jun 2022, 9:18 am)Chris 1 wrote Going back into Eldon Square as well.

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That 12 routing through Winlaton had me reaching for the map. Madness!

They should just bring back the 631 and 632!

(21 Jun 2022, 1:05 pm)Aaron21 wrote There will now be no changes to service 25 between Eighton Banks and Newcastle, and as such the route of service 1 will remain unchanged

That what it says. Only changes to the 1 is its going back to Gateshead every 30 minutes on evenings

It doesn't actually say the 1 is going back to Gateshead on an evening. It says more frequent buses will be introduced on an evening between Newcastle and Whitley Bay.

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(21 Jun 2022, 9:05 am)ASX_Terranova wrote Shame GNE havent kept the 82, means i probably wont be using it much anymore.

I think Gateshead Central Taxis have won the 81/82.

(21 Jun 2022, 1:05 pm)Aaron21 wrote That what it says. Only changes to the 1 is its going back to Gateshead every 30 minutes on evenings

No, if you read it, the only change to the evening journeys on the 1 is the re-introduction of the half hourly frequency between Whitley Bay and Newcastle - no mention of it returning to Gateshead on an evening. Considering the present PVR on an evening on an hourly frequency is 2, that increases to 4 (effectively using the 2 vehicles presently used on the 26 which, has been stated by drivers on Facebook, will no longer be operated by Percy Main from July) while an extension to Gateshead would require an additional vehicle on top of that increase.

(21 Jun 2022, 1:06 pm)DeltaMan wrote They should just bring back the 631 and 632!

That would be preferable!  Throw the 633 in to the mix and there was something for everyone.  Round the houses or straight down the bank.  I pity the poor folk of Wylam View or Heddon View with this proposed 12, they'll have the worst of both worlds.

Odd that it mentions the 39A going to Houghton Le Spring only on the 55 part. But doesn't mentions it on the 39/39A changes at all

Not sure the understanding of the 47 running non stop between Newcastle & Metrocentre 

All 58 journeys will run to Follingsby with an X58 running between Newcastle, Gateshead, Follingsby only during peak times

Don't understand the 61A at all

91 to run an hour service now in the afternoon 

Beamish now only have 1 bus on a Sunday (8)

Beamish also now has 3 buses (28,29,8)

I'm still confused on why there cutting the 20 in two. Like if the 24 is gonna be ran by Prince Bishops branded buses. What was the point in the split

(21 Jun 2022, 1:05 pm)Aaron21 wrote There will now be no changes to service 25 between Eighton Banks and Newcastle, and as such the route of service 1 will remain unchanged

That what it says. Only changes to the 1 is its going back to Gateshead every 30 minutes on evenings

(21 Jun 2022, 11:45 am)busmanT wrote I read it as the 25 is running half hourly Newcastle to Eighton Banks.

I don’t see where it mentions short journeys to Eighton Banks on the 25? 

“Following discussions with local authorities, we are pleased to confirm that service 25 will no longer be withdrawn and will instead be revised to operate hourly throughout.” 

I think that means GNE aren’t doing their proposal with the 1 because Nexus are funding something instead.

However it is rather disingenuous of GNE to suggest “no changes to the 25” when there is. People are losing a bus per hour!

Certain services are seemingly becoming a hot mess to understand. The 39 group, four buses per hour, all with different routes and/or terminus points - I really dislike when we get into B numbering. The 61 the same, don’t really get what the 61A route will be or why the evening only 38C needs replacing when the 38 itself isn’t replaced, not to mention lack of clarity over the route in Murton. The 12 route around Winlaton already raised in this thread, not to mention the fact it talks about a ‘North Road’ that doesn’t exist.

(21 Jun 2022, 2:00 pm)Drifter60 wrote Certain services are seemingly becoming a hot mess to understand. The 39 group, four buses per hour, all with different routes and/or terminus points - I really dislike when we get into B numbering. The 61 the same, don’t really get what the 61A route will be or why the evening only 38C needs replacing when the 38 itself isn’t replaced, not to mention lack of clarity over the route in Murton. The 12 route around Winlaton already raised in this thread, not to mention the fact it talks about a ‘North Road’ that doesn’t exist.

This could be because the Ashbrooke would be left without a service in the evening - whereas the 12 runs during the day, so no need for the 38 in this area.

(21 Jun 2022, 1:14 pm)Chris 1
[quote="Chris 1 wrote That would be preferable!  Throw the 633 in to the mix and there was something for everyone.  Round the houses or straight down the bank.  I pity the poor folk of Wylam View or Heddon View with this proposed 12, they'll have the worst of both worlds.

Admittedly the numbers would be low compared to the rest of the route, but folk from Hanover Estate won't be able to get a GNE bus to Winlaton, but they will back every 20 mins! It's the sort of routing that probably put pay to the 28, 69 etc. Its making the 12 very unattractive. This sort of thing is too clever by half. It may well work on paper, but they'll lose more customers as a result.

I also hope a pair of bus stops are going to be placed near the junction of North Street and the Bus Station entrance for those travelling up from Shibdon Bank and Parkhead Estate to the village centre, otherwise they'll have to stay on the bus down to Heddon View and back!

(21 Jun 2022, 1:15 pm)Aaron21 wrote I'm still confused on why there cutting the 20 in two. Like if the 24 is gonna be ran by Prince Bishops branded buses. What was the point in the split

A better question to ponder is why were these routes amalgamated?

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the decision to extend the 20 to South Shields in lieu of the existing 35 was mooted in at least a couple of consultations with respondents rejecting the change citing, if I recall correctly, that links would be lost between South Shields and Sunderland Royal Hospital. GNE eventually pushed ahead with the change and the 20 extended to South Shields with the 35 replacing the 26 between Sunderland and Boldon after a number of changes in between (can't remember the exact timeline).

Because of congestion in Durham and the A690 in general, I imagine the headway on the South Shields to Sunderland section has become unreliable. Therefore it makes perfect sense to split the service to maintain reliability.

(21 Jun 2022, 2:03 pm)DeltaMan wrote Admittedly the numbers would be low compared to the rest of the route, but folk from Hanover Estate won't be able to get a GNE bus to Winlaton, but they will back every 20 mins! It's the sort of routing that probably put pay to the 28, 69 etc. Its making the 12 very unattractive. This sort of thing is too clever by half. It may well work on paper, but they'll lose more customers as a result.

I also hope a pair of bus stops are going to be placed near the junction of North Street and the Bus Station entrance for those travelling up from Shibdon Bank and Parkhead Estate to the village centre, otherwise they'll have to stay on the bus down to Heddon View and back!

I don't understand the route of the 69 either. Either serve Gibside View/California or don't. It's an hourly service and it's the only one which runs around there nowadays so it's not like one bus is going to be obstructed by another coming in the other direction.

From my understanding of the route of the 12, and I may be wrong, it will run to Winlaton Bus Station, then back out again via Blaydon Bank, Wylam View, Heddon View, Back Lane, North Street, then around Hanover Estate before returning to the Bus Station and running back to Newcastle.

(21 Jun 2022, 2:24 pm)MurdnunoC wrote I don't understand the route of the 69 either. Either serve Gibside View/California or don't. It's an hourly service and it's the only one which runs around there nowadays so it's not like one bus is going to be obstructed by another coming in the other direction.

From my understanding of the route of the 12, and I may be wrong, it will run to Winlaton Bus Station, then back out again via Blaydon Bank, Wylam View, Heddon View, Back Lane, North Street, then around Hanover Estate before returning to the Bus Station and running back to Newcastle.

I think it's a giant figure of 8 they are doing. So 12A route to Buttermere Crescent, then direct via Church Street to North Street, Heddon View, Wylam View, Bus Station, THEN Hanover Estate/Snook Hill then the 12A to Newcastle from Buttermere Crescent.

Don't understand the reason GNE putting the 41 back to Howdon. Tbh most if not all the 27th March changes were complete pointless. Q3 going back to Wallsend, 1 every 30 minutes evening, 41 backt to Howdon

(21 Jun 2022, 2:28 pm)DeltaMan wrote I think it's a giant figure of 8 they are doing. So 12A route to Buttermere Crescent, then direct via Church Street to North Street, Heddon View, Wylam View, Bus Station, THEN Hanover Estate/Snook Hill then the 12A to Newcastle from Buttermere Crescent.

Was trying to do a suggestion early today that replaced the r3/r4 in winlaton & hole in the wall, even that got me confused. 
Can easily see people mis-understanding the new routing especially if the bus station is served twice.

So X70 staying, 65 going too two hours with the X10, if there are any breakdowns, one thing which they will have to make sure that especially for the 65 is that changeovers are changed to Seaham, so if one does break down they can just bring a bus straight away, also evening journeys surely thats after 9pm I've seen many 65 quite busy.


the 4 every 60 MINS at Sunday day times seems a bit of a stupid move, 62/202 first time that route hasn't existed in many years in some form.

What they could have done is extended the 71 from Northlea, up the graham way, Dalton park, Dawdon, Seaham

(21 Jun 2022, 1:36 pm)Drifter60 wrote I don’t see where it mentions short journeys to Eighton Banks on the 25? 

“Following discussions with local authorities, we are pleased to confirm that service 25 will no longer be withdrawn and will instead be revised to operate hourly throughout.” 

I think that means GNE aren’t doing their proposal with the 1 because Nexus are funding something instead.

However it is rather disingenuous of GNE to suggest “no changes to the 25” when there is. People are losing a bus per hour!

Coaster 1
• We consulted on extending this service to Eighton Banks, to partially replace service 25.
• Following analysis of our customer consultation responses, we engaged in further discussions with local authorities.
• There will now be no changes to service 25 between Eighton Banks and Newcastle, and as such the route of service 1 will remain unchanged.


This implies that the 25 remains 2 per hour Eighton Banks to Newcastle. Perhaps one bus per hour Newcastle to Eighton Banks (the one that would have been the extension on service 1) and one bus per hour Newcastle to Chester-le-Street.

(21 Jun 2022, 2:37 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Was trying to do a suggestion early today that replaced the r3/r4 in winlaton & hole in the wall, even that got me confused. 
Can easily see people mis-understanding the new routing especially if the bus station is served twice.

I *think* the bus station is only served once, after Heddon Way but before Hanover Estate/Snook Hill. A map would be helpful, like the TfL consultation ones

(21 Jun 2022, 2:52 pm)busmanT wrote Coaster 1
• We consulted on extending this service to Eighton Banks, to partially replace service 25.
• Following analysis of our customer consultation responses, we engaged in further discussions with local authorities.
• There will now be no changes to service 25 between Eighton Banks and Newcastle, and as such the route of service 1 will remain unchanged.


This implies that the 25 remains 2 per hour Eighton Banks to Newcastle. Perhaps one bus per hour Newcastle to Eighton Banks (the one that would have been the extension on service 1) and one bus per hour Newcastle to Chester-le-Street.

I agree the implication is there from Coaster 1 section but considering the 25 section (which is the section Eighton Bank residents will check the most I’m guessing) doesn’t mention this, I believe it’s not happening. We’ll have to wait for timetables I guess.

(21 Jun 2022, 2:52 pm)busmanT wrote Coaster 1
• We consulted on extending this service to Eighton Banks, to partially replace service 25.
• Following analysis of our customer consultation responses, we engaged in further discussions with local authorities.
• There will now be no changes to service 25 between Eighton Banks and Newcastle, and as such the route of service 1 will remain unchanged.


This implies that the 25 remains 2 per hour Eighton Banks to Newcastle. Perhaps one bus per hour Newcastle to Eighton Banks (the one that would have been the extension on service 1) and one bus per hour Newcastle to Chester-le-Street.

Presumably it means that there will be no changes to the route.

Where it matters most, it very clearly states that the 25 will operate an hourly frequency throughout, on the section for service 25. See bit in red below:


Service 25

• We proposed, due to low passenger numbers, that this service would be revised to operate hourly on Monday to Saturday daytimes between Newcastle, Harlow Green and Eighton Banks only, and revised to operate as Coaster service 1.
  
• Following analysis of our customer consultation responses, we engaged in further discussions with local authorities.
  
• Following discussions with local authorities, we are pleased to confirm that service 25 will no longer be withdrawn and will instead be revised to operate hourly throughout.
  
• In partnership with Nexus, Go North East will remain the operator of service 25 between Newcastle and Chester-le-Street.
  
• Durham County Council have agreed to fund the route between Chester-le-Street and Langley Park, but discussions are still ongoing as to whether Go North East will remain as the operator of the service on this section of route.
  

(21 Jun 2022, 2:53 pm)DeltaMan wrote I *think* the bus station is only served once, after Heddon Way but before Hanover Estate/Snook Hill. A map would be helpful, like the TfL consultation ones

You were correct. Even more complicated than what I thought and it will need new bus stops outside Winlaton Centre (more or less), and perhaps a new bus stop near the entrance to Jobling Avenue, or where the cut is leading onto Tynebank and The Circle (Cromwell Avenue).

X30 every 90 mins, so is the X30 & X72 going to go Standalone on an evening?

(21 Jun 2022, 2:47 pm)Unber43 wrote So X70 staying, 65 going too two hours with the X10, if there are any breakdowns, one thing which they will have to make sure that especially for the 65 is that changeovers are changed to Seaham, so if one does break down they can just bring a bus straight away, also evening journeys surely thats after 9pm I've seen many 65 quite busy.


the 4 every 60 MINS at Sunday day times seems a bit of a stupid move, 62/202 first time that route hasn't existed in many years in some form.

What they could have done is extended the 71 from Northlea, up the graham way, Dalton park, Dawdon, Seaham

I’m guessing they may change the 65 timetable so all changeovers are in Seaham moving forward, it’s probably an easier trip from Deptford to Seaham as opposed to Hetton.

Arriva should send the 23 service down via Spectrum, Dawdon, Byron Place & Dene House Road after Dalton Park. Provide links from Horden/Easington to Seaham that’ll be lost.

I read the 12 as the current 12A route from Blaydon to the top of Park Lane, right on to Scotland Head then continue down Church Street & North Street (missing the bus station); right at the Rose & Crown and then down the bank to Heddon view, up and then left on to Wylam View, right on to blaydon bank/zion terrace and up to the bus station. And then the current 12A route back out via Hanover Estate.

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(21 Jun 2022, 2:57 pm)MurdnunoC wrote You were correct. Even more complicated than what I thought and it will need new bus stops outside Winlaton Centre (more or less), and perhaps a new bus stop near the entrance to Jobling Avenue, or where the cut is leading onto Tynebank and The Circle (Cromwell Avenue).

Agreed.  Though I can't see this incarnation lasting long so they'll be unserved by the time they're put in!

(21 Jun 2022, 3:00 pm)Chris 1 wrote I read the 12 as the current 12A route from Blaydon to the top of Park Lane, right on to Scotland Head then continue down Church Street & North Street (missing the bus station); right at the Rose & Crown and then down the bank to Heddon view, up and then left on to Wylam View, right on to blaydon bank/zion terrace and up to the bus station.  And then the current 12A route back out via Hanover Estate.

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Agreed.  Though I can't see this incarnation lasting long so they'll be unserved by the time they're put in!

Croftdale Road will be left without a service for the first time in about 60 years.

Out of curiosity why is the 41 being sent back to Howdon,is it just because those 4 stops (soon to be 2) on Tynemouth Road have no bus to Wallsend, whch way is it going this time or is it exactly the same as before minus the 41A

(21 Jun 2022, 2:59 pm)Drifter60 wrote I’m guessing they may change the 65 timetable so all changeovers are in Seaham moving forward, it’s probably an easier trip from Deptford to Seaham as opposed to Hetton.

Arriva should send the 23 service down via Spectrum, Dawdon, Byron Place & Dene House Road after Dalton Park. Provide links from Horden/Easington to Seaham that’ll be lost.

Really you could possibly extend the 71 from Dene House Road, to Easington with changeovers being in Seaham

(21 Jun 2022, 3:15 pm)V514DFT wrote Out of curiosity why is the 41 being sent back to Howdon,is it just  because those 4 stops (soon to be 2)  on Tynemouth Road have no bus to Wallsend, whch way is it going this time or is it exactly the same as before minus the 41A

Services 41 & 41A

• These services were not in our consultation to change, but we are delighted to announce that, in partnership with Nexus following the changes made to services in March 2022, that we will reinstate the connections between Battle Hill and Howdon, with service 41 extending once per hour from Hadrian Park to Howdon and Holy Cross.
  

It says the services are being extended from Hadrian Park to Howdon and Holy Cross, so it is going a different way to what it has previously. People travelling to Wallsend from Holy Cross on the 41 will be travelling through Hadrian Park, Battle Hill and High Farm first.

So does anyone know of any fleet movements/changes, cos I think 39/A/B (why not just call it the 37/38/39) and 2/2A will be going into Park Lane both way or one? Aswell as the 38A.

Its really postive to see the 28/29 return to Eldon Square

i think the 26 will be going to Deptford with the 50 being double decker operated permanently.

I think the 82 will just die with GNE not operating it.

(21 Jun 2022, 1:15 pm)Aaron21 wrote I'm still confused on why there cutting the 20 in two. Like if the 24 is gonna be ran by Prince Bishops branded buses. What was the point in the split

I doubt the Prince Bishops brand would be retained for the 24 considering it's a brand centred on County Durham. 24 will presumably be unbranded especially if the rumours of interworking with services 5 & 26 are to be believed.

The Prince Bishops Lites are presumably still to be repainted anyway given promotional material has shown the buses will be in a new livery (not yet adopted).