Just read the comments about X20 inter working with 65. Please not streetlites aswell !!!!!!!!!

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X21 temp change

Change of terminus: Gateshead Interchange (until further notice)

Due to roadworks causing significant delays, Service X21 will terminate at Gateshead Interchange until further notice and will not continue to Newcastle.

If you’re waiting at Eldon Square for the X21, please travel to Gateshead Interchange on Service 21 and connect with the X21 there.

We’re sorry for the disruption and appreciate your patience while these works are ongoing.

(21 Oct 2025, 8:47 am)Ambassador wrote X21 temp change

Change of terminus: Gateshead Interchange (until further notice)

Due to roadworks causing significant delays, Service X21 will terminate at Gateshead Interchange until further notice and will not continue to Newcastle.

If you’re waiting at Eldon Square for the X21, please travel to Gateshead Interchange on Service 21 and connect with the X21 there.

We’re sorry for the disruption and appreciate your patience while these works are ongoing.

Good customer service that mind, just dump someone off short when the bus is already 20 minutes late anyway. How on earth can you connect to something running on a timetable all over the place.

If it was every 10 minutes, then fair play, but it isn't.

Whatever happened to the days of adding an extra bus to the PVR temporarily and regulating services...

(21 Oct 2025, 9:37 am)Storx wrote Good customer service that mind, just dump someone off short when the bus is already 20 minutes late anyway. How on earth can you connect to something running on a timetable all over the place.

If it was every 10 minutes, then fair play, but it isn't.

Whatever happened to the days of adding an extra bus to the PVR temporarily and regulating services...

Indeed, particualrly useless on a matchday when buses arrive pretty much full into Gateshead (at least those Eldon Sq bound) and would probably be able to take 10 or so passengers.

The change to X21 is still showing on the app but has been removed from the website and looking at bustimes the X21 is crossing the river

Thats quite disgusting tbh, the roadworks situation isnt new (even before the Tyne Bridge works) so to now use that as an excuse, is pretty thin as an excuse

(21 Oct 2025, 8:47 am)Ambassador wrote X21 temp change

Change of terminus: Gateshead Interchange (until further notice)

Due to roadworks causing significant delays, Service X21 will terminate at Gateshead Interchange until further notice and will not continue to Newcastle.

If you’re waiting at Eldon Square for the X21, please travel to Gateshead Interchange on Service 21 and connect with the X21 there.

We’re sorry for the disruption and appreciate your patience while these works are ongoing.

That will be a nightmare, then. Will it mean that passengers travelling between , say,Spenny and Newcastle won’t be able to do it on two singles?

followed an x21 across bridge yesterday

The worst of the issues didn't appear to be due to the Tyne Bridge, buses appeared to be losing 30-40 minutes at Croxdale on the A167.

(22 Oct 2025, 10:28 am)missedbus wrote The worst of the issues didn't appear to be due to the Tyne Bridge, buses appeared to be losing 30-40 minutes at Croxdale on the A167.

Quite shocking how GNE have kicked the can on the X10 & X21. Two former (or in part) prestigious ExpressLink / Superliner / GoXpress routes - once run by Metrobuses, Leyland/Volvo Olympians now barely getting by with hammered Enviro 400s or unsuitable B5TLs & StreetDecks as well as undercapacity & poor timekeeping.

IMO - GNE made a huge mistake with the Enviros back in 2020. Rather than using the 11x Enviros to mess around with the Derwentside network which just needed some fine tweaks & a chance to return to normal after covid - they should've used 8x E400MMC on the X21. Which would've been a huge welcome upgrade over previous ex-London B7TLs and StreetDecks 6301-07 previously allocated.

as much as it seems practical you must remember these work horses can be on the road for over 15hrs a day stop start slow fast moving vehicles...

if you have any knowledge about vehicles....

say have a brand new fleet of "branded" 21 Angel or X10 dedicated to the route after 30k miles the same parts will sadly fail

like a timing belt on a car to be changed every 60k miles

if you have 12 or 15 brand new buses all doing the same route the mileage will be similar so when it comes to the milestones they fail or need to be sorted out...

interestingly in a petrol/ diesel car there is 200 different moving parts

in an electric there is about 20

(23 Oct 2025, 7:14 pm)DaveFromUpNorth wrote as much as it seems practical  you must remember these work horses can be on the road for over 15hrs a day stop start slow fast moving vehicles...

if you have any knowledge about vehicles....

say have a brand new fleet of "branded" 21  Angel or X10 dedicated to the route after 30k miles the same parts will sadly fail

like a timing belt on a car to be changed every 60k miles

if you have 12 or 15 brand new buses all doing the same route the mileage will be similar  so when it comes to the milestones they fail or need to be sorted out...

interestingly in a petrol/ diesel car there is 200 different moving parts

in an electric there is about 20

True. But B9TLs 6043-48 allocated on the X9/X10 (before the route as split meaning Tachographs) as well as the E400MMCs have both had it hard due to lack of suitable spares and fleet rotation.

The B5TLs actually had it easier but ended up spending half the time off the road being bailed out ironically by 6043-48 as well as 6071-83

IMO, the next decker order for Riverside should cover the 10/10A/10B/12, X10, X21. Either higher rated Cummins Ultroliners, or lobby Volvo to create a bi-axile B8TL!

(17 Oct 2025, 2:03 pm)Retro Nero wrote 7  in total to move across, 5394 - 5400

What other fleet changes have took place today?

(Yesterday, 11:18 am)Michael wrote What other fleet changes have took place today?

My mate showed me some yesterdsy but was on fscebook and im not on it. Cant remember all but some - i think 726, 727,728 Deptford to Percy. With 5 coming in the other direction (presume to streamline the fleet numbers) 8340 - 8346 Deptford to Percy. 6208, 6209 and 6331 Riverside to Washington. 6100 Deprford to Riverside. 8325 Wsdhington to Percy and 8319 Withdtawn. Think there may hsve been a few streetlites from Percy to Washington but cant remember fleet numbers. And the ones already mentioned for the 8. Thats all i can remember

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(Yesterday, 11:58 am)Swiny1 wrote My mate showed me some yesterdsy but was on fscebook and im not on it. Cant remember all but some - i think 726, 727,728 Deptford to Percy. With 5 coming in the other direction (presume to streamline the fleet numbers) 8340 - 8346 Deptford to Percy. 6208, 6209 and 6331 Riverside to Washington. 6100 Deprford to Riverside. 8325 Wsdhington to Percy and 8319 Withdtawn. Think there may hsve been a few streetlites from Percy to Washington but cant remember fleet numbers. And the ones already mentioned for the 8. Thats all i can remember

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Thank you, more changes than I thought there was!

(Yesterday, 11:18 am)Michael wrote What other fleet changes have took place today?

Planned allocation changes this weekend:
653 Percy Main to Sunderland
654 Percy Main to Sunderland
655 Percy Main to Sunderland
660 Percy Main to Sunderland
661 Percy Main to Sunderland
726 Sunderland to Percy Main
727 Sunderland to Percy Main
728 Sunderland to Percy Main
5394 Washington to Sunderland
5395 Washington to Sunderland
5396 Washington to Sunderland
5397 Washington to Sunderland
5398 Washington to Sunderland
5399 Washington to Sunderland
6100 Sunderland to Riverside
6208 Riverside to Washington
6209 Riverside to Washington
6331 Riverside to Washington
8325 Washington to Percy Main
8342 Sunderland to Percy Main
8343 Sunderland to Percy Main
8344 Sunderland to Percy Main
8345 Sunderland to Percy Main
8346 Sunderland to Percy Main
5457 Percy Main to Washington
5458 Percy Main to Washington
5459 Percy Main to Washington
6189 Consett to Withdrawn
8319 Washington to Withdrawn

Cheers. Will the X line deckers be staying on the X20 Liam?

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(Yesterday, 12:14 pm)Michael wrote Thank you, more changes than I thought there was!

Me to

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So all the s**t has been sent to Percy Main, geeze thanks

(Yesterday, 12:16 pm)Liam Hall wrote Planned allocation changes this weekend:
653 Percy Main to Sunderland
654 Percy Main to Sunderland
655 Percy Main to Sunderland
660 Percy Main to Sunderland
661 Percy Main to Sunderland
726 Sunderland to Percy Main
727 Sunderland to Percy Main
728 Sunderland to Percy Main
5394 Washington to Sunderland
5395 Washington to Sunderland
5396 Washington to Sunderland
5397 Washington to Sunderland
5398 Washington to Sunderland
5399 Washington to Sunderland
6100 Sunderland to Riverside
6208 Riverside to Washington
6209 Riverside to Washington
6331 Riverside to Washington
8325 Washington to Percy Main
8342 Sunderland to Percy Main
8343 Sunderland to Percy Main
8344 Sunderland to Percy Main
8345 Sunderland to Percy Main
8346 Sunderland to Percy Main
5457 Percy Main to Washington
5458 Percy Main to Washington
5459 Percy Main to Washington
6189 Consett to Withdrawn
8319 Washington to Withdrawn

Thank you Liam!

Which service(s) will use 653-55/60/61?

(Yesterday, 12:24 pm)Swiny1 wrote Cheers. Will the X line deckers be staying on the X20 Liam?

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Yeah they will be

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(Yesterday, 12:45 pm)Michael wrote Thank you Liam!

Which service(s) will use 653-55/60/61?

342 and 356

(Yesterday, 4:33 pm)Liam Hall wrote Yeah they will be

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342 and 356

That's some dead mileage, coming from Sunderland ,

Cheers Liam )

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So the 356 is going Standalone?

(Yesterday, 6:37 pm)V514DFT wrote So the 356 is going Standalone?

It always has been.

Wonder how Deptford Drivers are liking the 8

Solos are now allocated to the 62/62A

(10 hours ago)Retro Nero wrote Solos are now allocated to the 62/62A

Looks like the 20/20A/65 and X20 all now interwork... that's gonna be interesting to see how that does.

Looks like a mixture of Streetlites and B5's on the routes, wonder if we'll see the X-Lines repainted in to the Prince Bishops livery?

(8 hours ago)Michael wrote Looks like the 20/20A/65 and X20 all now interwork... that's gonna be interesting to see how that does.

Looks like a mixture of Streetlites and B5's on the routes, wonder if we'll see the X-Lines repainted in to the Prince Bishops livery?

20/20A Interwork & X20/65 Interwork

(7 hours ago)Retro Nero wrote 20/20A Interwork & X20/65 Interwork

Oops sorry I misread bustimes hahahaha

8 and 9 look like they're interworking too

(8 hours ago)Michael wrote Looks like the 20/20A/65 and X20 all now interwork... that's gonna be interesting to see how that does.

Looks like a mixture of Streetlites and B5's on the routes, wonder if we'll see the X-Lines repainted in to the Prince Bishops livery?

I have a feeling this might be until the new buses come into the fleet allowing other stuff to be displaced and older buses withdrawn.