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(02 Jul 2014, 10:34 pm)AdamY wrote Scrub what I've just wrote.
It appears that WWE have decided to give Emma a second chance after all.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/wwe-reinstates-emma-26450666
Maybe Vince McMahon read Malarkey's post and thought 'you know what, he's right - it is a double-standard'.
(03 Jul 2014, 12:27 pm)AdamY wrote Part of the reason why Emma was rehired was because of the backlash caused by the WWE Universe.
Like Adam Malarkey, many people correctly pointed out that wrestlers had either kept their positions or had been brought back after brushes with the law including offences drugs, assault, firearms, DUI's and manslaughter.
Not that long ago (sometime within the last few months), WWE Diva Cameron was involved in a DUI and attempted to bribe the officer who arrested her. I believe this was also brought up as point of contention.
(03 Jul 2014, 1:41 pm)marxistafozzski wrote Nice gesture of WWE to give Emma a second chance...That organisation must have rap sheet between them, not only DUI, I bet there is some drugs charges in there, I am sure RVD was caught a few years back at either the airport or a land border with drugs...
As for bribe officers, that is just idiotic, lol, I am sure Kaitlyn was arrested for trying to bribe someone along with a DUI
(03 Jul 2014, 2:28 pm)AdamY wrote It's Jimmy Snuka's manslaughter charge I'd be most concerned about.
Different era maybe, but aside from the Benoit thing, it's easily the worst out if the lot.
(03 Jul 2014, 7:23 pm)marxistafozzski wrote Was just reading an article somewhere about Wrestlers who have killed people...
Great Khali killed a wrestler in training, whether Khali was directly responsible I do not know
And while I should not laugh at death or generally disrespect death, but I couldn't control myself when Verne Gagne killed someone...When he was 83, he killed a 97 year old man in his Nursing Home, sure I read somewhere the two old men were love rivals, though I could be mistaken
(03 Jul 2014, 9:23 pm)AdamY wrote The Brian Ong affair was a terrible accident which reportedly left Khali devastated. Things sometimes go horribly wrong in wrestling whether it be practising moves during training or attempting/doing moves within an actual match. While it is easy to apportion blame in situations like the Ong/Khali incident, accidents can and do happen so I think it's unfair to label Khali a murderer in this instance.
The Jimmy Snuka incident was far more shadier as there appears to be a clear attempt at some sort of cover-up. Regardless of whether or not he did the deed, the actions of Vince McMahon - who acted as Snuka's mouthpiece while Snuka played up his 'simple foreign savage who can't speak English' gimmick - must be seen as a deliberate attempt to mislead authorities into believing that Snuka should be excused on the grounds of diminished responsibility. The case is currently still open and has been reviewed recently so we may see some further developments on this story in the near future.
(03 Jul 2014, 9:37 pm)marxistafozzski wrote As do I, I just never looked hard enough into it to see what the outcome was, am I right in saying Brian Ong had underlying problems that brought about his premature death, or was it down to a mistimed move...I was not meaning to imply that Khali was a murderer, I was just responding about an article I had seen titled 'Wrestlers who have killed people' though the naming of that article pretty much makes them out to be murderers in my opinion.
That is the nature of Pro Wrestling though, serious injury is an occupational hazard and there careers can be short by one mistimed/botched move
(03 Jul 2014, 10:29 pm)AdamY wrote The Hall murder thing weighs heavily on his conscience and I don't think he ever came to terms with it. He discusses the incident on The Art of Wrestling podcast.
http://tsmradio.com/coltcabana/2013/10/1...cott-hall/
Hall checked into DDP's rehabilitation programme sometime last year. He was doing well the last time I heard although that was a few months ago. I hope he recovers from his demons.
(03 Jul 2014, 9:50 pm)AdamY wrote Reports state that Ong had suffered concussions prior to his death but decided to continue with his wrestling training. It may have been a contributing factor but, IIRC, it was indeterminable to state whether it was the cause of death.
BTW, if you like reading about wrestling sleaze (and lets face it there's a lot of it around) have you ever checked this out?
http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling3/kotd...leeze.html
It's an archived thread from the Death Valley Driver forum compiling urban legends surrounding wrestling and wrestlers.
Although most of what's listed is probably bollocks, it's a funny, entertaining and interesting read.
It'll make you laugh I guarantee!!
(03 Jul 2014, 11:44 pm)marxistafozzski wrote A couple of others I heard down the years...
When Brian Pillman went to ECW he apparently tried to whip his Johnson out in the ring...
Pillman also once got Bobby Heenan so mad, that Heenan uttered an f-bomb on TV
(04 Jul 2014, 4:04 pm)marxistafozzski wrote Why Heyman got tickets in a Jewish name, I do not know, but there must have been a good reason
299. Andre the Giant vs. Akira Maeda, 1985
Major disaster. The mega-hyped match that turned into a near shoot because Andre wouldn't sell Maeda's offense. Maeda was getting a big head and Andre was told to embarrass him in the ring since everyone believed in the Andre myth. Maeda didn't know and Andre, even drunk, was powerful as hell, and started going for Maeda's eyes after no selling his submissions. When Maeda saw it was on, he reacted as only he could. The reason it wasn't stopped earlier was the idea was for Andre to kick Maeda's ass and they were waiting for it to happen. Maeda was kicking Andre's knee until it turned bright red and took him down rather easily a few times. He turned to Kantaro Hoshino and asked if he could finish him off and Hoshino shook his head "no." Maeda was pissed and threw a kick at the guard rail that was more brutal than any kick he threw at Andre. Maeda has been very unprofessional at certain points in his career and is a baby, but in this case, a guy twice his size started it with him and he was trying to protect himself, put some fear into Andre, and not hurt Andre all at the same time. Dick Murdoch, who believed in the myth of Andre, as did everyone at the time, came back and said that he thought Maeda was going to end Andre's career. WINNER: Certainly not the fans. (thanks to Dave Meltzer)
(04 Jul 2014, 5:31 pm)marxistafozzski wrote Embarrassing to watch, Andre looked fucked and pissed...
What was supposed to happen here, did they shoot on each other in the end...looks like it was a massive fuck up from start to finish
Andre looks like he was as pissed as a priest on Sunday, absolutely cringeworthy...
I am guessing by 1986 Andre would have been having chronic medical problems, which may be another reason he was in such bad shape...
Was it Andre who was a drinking legend 100-150 beers or wines in one session...I thought I was bad when I used to drink 4 Crates of Lager a week, I would die if I tried to sink a ton in one sesh
(04 Jul 2014, 8:35 pm)AdamY wrote Yup. It was indeed Andre who reportedly drank over 100 beers in one session. Supposedly, the beers were of the small continental size (approx 150 ml) which you can buy in supermarkets but even still that's still a lot of alcohol to consume in one sitting.
By 1986 Andre would have suffering from some medical problems. He headlined Wrestlemania 3 with Hulk Hogan the following year and could do very little at that point. Little under six years later he died due to his medical condition.
Before 1986 Andre was widely regarded as one of wrestling's hardest men: a guy who no-one messed with. However, this was due to his size and strength more than any legitimate fighting background. Former Judo Olympic Bronze Medallist, Bad News Allen (later Bad News Brown in WWF 1987-90) tested Andre's alleged reputation as a hard-man after he caught Andre making racist comments. Needless to say, Andre backed down from any confrontation.
Akira Maeda, who went on become one of the pioneers of MMA, also had a legitimate fighting background. Maeda was well-known for not taking any shit during his matches; he also had a bad reputation with bookers and regularly threw tantrums when he thought he wasn't being booked correctly. There is an infamous incident (I think it occurred in 1987) between Maeda and then New Japan booker, Riki Choshu, where Maeda casually wanders into the ring and delivers a shoot-kick to Maeda's face breaking his orbital bone in the process (see below).
The Andre/Maeda match happened before the Choshu/Maeda incident and it's simply a case of Andre being being goaded into teaching Maeda 'a lesson' so to speak. Obviously, Andre bit of more than he could chew and is continuously thwarted as Maeda defends himself against The Giant. Maeda repeatedly asks officials (including New-Japan president Antonio Inoki - the guy with the huge chin who wanders into the ring at one point) whether it's OK to fight Andre for real and is told no. Nobody is sure what to do and the match continues with both competitors circling around each other with Maeda throwing a cheeky kick here and there.
(04 Jul 2014, 8:52 pm)marxistafozzski wrote Would you say the same goes for any of today's big lads, Big Show and Khali, but your right when you say Andre was feared for his size and strength...I wouldn't have fancied squaring up to Andre, whether he can hold his own legitimately or not, if he got one quick dig off at the right moment, there is only 1 way your going...Down...
I would have loved to have been around in Andre's heyday, did he have much to offer offensively or was he like a typical huge dude, very predictable and same moves week in week out
(04 Jul 2014, 9:16 pm)AdamY wrote Maybe Big Show but certainly not Khali. Today, many wrestlers undertake additional training in Judo, Jujitsu, Shooto, Kickboxing etc. Whether they're any good at it is of course a different matter but having some sort of fighting background is going to give you a degree of confidence. What UFC (and other MMA promotions) have taught us that its not the size of the dog but the size of the fight the dog can bring. Just because someone looks big and hard doesn't necessarily mean that they are although I do agree that a lucky punch at the right moment has the potential to win a fight. However, that same logic applies to anyone - not just to big, hard-looking bruisers. Times have changed, size doesn't mean as much as it once did.
Don't know. I have only really seen his WWF stuff. I have no inclining to go and watch old Andre matches although I have been told he used to utilise drop-kicks and was a lot more agile back in the day.
