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Just read the press release from the RMT about the Great Western Railway coming back into public ownership. According to it, the Government have set up a company and applied for certification to take the railway back 'in house'.

(12 Jun 2013, 8:23 am)Andreos1 wrote Www.rmt.org.uk/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=174667

Just read the press release from the RMT about the Great Western Railway coming back into public ownership. According to it, the Government have set up a company and applied for certification to take the railway back 'in house'.

RMT jumping the gun as normal. All that's happening is DOR are being mobilised in case discussions with First over a further extension of the Greater Western franchise falls through. Exactly the same as last year when they were mobilised for Intercity West Coast following Virgin's legal bid that has lead to the current franchise extensions.

If the RMT recieve a statement saying DOR have gone to the ORR and release a press statement about this to the general public, how can that be jumping the gun?

Can you explain how press release containing fact, quotes and references to previous events pertaining to events since privatisation and then a few quotes from Bob Crow is 'jumping the gun' please?
Cos I'm struggling to see where you are coming from...

(12 Jun 2013, 10:37 pm)Andreos1 wrote If the RMT recieve a statement saying DOR have gone to the ORR and release a press statement about this to the general public, how can that be jumping the gun?

Can you explain how press release containing fact, quotes and references to previous events pertaining to events since privatisation and then a few quotes from Bob Crow is 'jumping the gun' please?
Cos I'm struggling to see where you are coming from...

It's jumping the gun saying that it will be renationalised when all that is happening is that the DOR are preparing in-case they are needed.

Where does it say it 'will' be renationalised?

After reading it and re-reading it, it stated DOR are applying for certification incase the contract can't be extended and is essentially an option to fall back on, should talks fail...

It might just be me not seeing it with being tired, but if you could copy and paste the section you are referring to, it would be appreciated.

The contract extension for the Great Western Railway has been reported in a number of newspapers - a number of which are given below:


FirstGroup wins Great Western contract extension
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014...nsion-rail

First Great Western offered new franchise deal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29565156

FirstGroup reverses run of rail losses
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/a...233394.ece

Government will talk to First Great Western about extending franchise
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Governme...story.html

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-30067282

Hitachi trains revealed.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/...are_btn_tw

FGW obtain keys for another four years.
The figures make interesting reading...

Managed to get a glimpse of the new GWR colour scheme recently.
Supposedly launching this month, yet the green repaints seem seemingly rare!

The FGW will be replaced by GWR throughout.

GWR launches.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34292550

Had a feeling there wasn't too many in green, based on my observations a week or two back.
According to the article, 3 are in the new scheme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34868859
Costs seem to be spiralling with regard to electrification west from Maidenhead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35376805
Huge delays with electrification project.

On my last trip down there before Christmas, work hadn't got that far west of Reading heading towards Didcot.

Short HST formations have been used in timing trials between Plymouth and Cardiff.

They are apparently exploring the possibility of using short formations using the sets left, once their mainline duties are ended.

Eighteen Hurt After Trains Collide At Plymouth Station
http://news.sky.com/story/1672025/eighte...at-station

(03 Apr 2016, 7:30 pm)S813 FVK wrote Eighteen Hurt After Trains Collide At Plymouth Station
http://news.sky.com/story/1672025/eighte...at-station

The HST looks to have come off quite badly. Any idea of which train failed to stop?

(04 Apr 2016, 7:44 am)8222 wrote The HST looks to have come off quite badly. Any idea of which train failed to stop?

Trains involved are units 150219 + 150249 and powercar 43160 - the vehicle on the other end is unknown.

It is believed that the pair of 150s were operating 2E68 (1339 Penzance - Exeter St David's) with the 43 believing to have arrived on 5A91 (1500 Laira Depot to Plymouth) but ran earlier so actually got to Plymouth at 1500 rather than departing the depot at that time. If this is correct, it means that the 43 set would have been in the platform 34 minutes before 2E68 arrive at Plymouth which it did at 1534.

(04 Apr 2016, 8:19 am)S813 FVK wrote Trains involved are units 150219 + 150249 and powercar 43160 - the vehicle on the other end is unknown.

It is believed that the pair of 150s were operating 2E68 (1339 Penzance - Exeter St David's) with the 43 believing to have arrived on 5A91 (1500 Laira Depot to Plymouth) but ran earlier so actually got to Plymouth at 1500 rather than departing the depot at that time. If this is correct, it means that the 43 set would have been in the platform 34 minutes before 2E68 arrive at Plymouth which it did at 1534.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-35954361

Even if the HST did leave the depot early, it was due to leave for Paddington a few minutes after the crash.

(04 Apr 2016, 8:54 am)Andreos1 wrote http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-35954361

Even if the HST did leave the depot early, it was due to leave for Paddington a few minutes after the crash.

Indeed. If it had left the depot at 1500, it would have arrived at the station at 1522 - still 12 minutes before the 150s arrived.

(04 Apr 2016, 8:19 am)S813 FVK wrote Trains involved are units 150219 + 150249 and powercar 43160 - the vehicle on the other end is unknown.

Unknown power car is now confirmed as 43134.

The RAIB have attached blame to a signaller with regard to the collision mentioned above.

Apparently the signaller misjudged the space available to share the platform.

(19 Apr 2016, 2:27 pm)Andreos1 wrote The RAIB have attached blame

No they haven't.

We are not a prosecuting body and do not apportion blame or liability. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisati...anch/about


Also the investigation hasn't been completed yet so I'm not sure how you think RAIB have done so??

(19 Apr 2016, 4:34 pm)northern156 wrote No they haven't.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisati...anch/about


Also the investigation hasn't been completed yet so I'm not sure how you think RAIB have done so??

Just read an article in Metro.
I basically quoted the bones of the article

(19 Apr 2016, 4:38 pm)Andreos1 wrote Just read an article in Metro.
I basically quoted the bones of the article

Ah ok, fair enough!

Decent of Metro to fully understand... mind you they ARE owned by the Daily Fail and it is a free paper...!!

I see a train has derailed on the entrance to Paddington.

(16 Jun 2016, 6:37 pm)citaro5284 wrote I see a train has derailed on the entrance to Paddington.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36555082

Initial comments indicate it jumped a light.

(17 Jun 2016, 7:43 am)Andreos1 wrote Initial comments indicate it jumped a light.

Oh dear Andreos, that looks like typical newspaper type speak! Cringe!

Train derailed on trap/catch points designed to do just that job if a train passes a signal at danger. I've seen rumours the signal was 'put back' after a possible error by the signaller(s), but that is no more than a rumour. Full details, as always, will be available in the appropriate RAIB report when issued.

(21 Jun 2016, 10:50 am)northern156 wrote Oh dear Andreos, that looks like typical newspaper type speak! Cringe!

Train derailed on trap/catch points designed to do just that job if a train passes a signal at danger. I've seen rumours the signal was 'put back' after a possible error by the signaller(s), but that is no more than a rumour. Full details, as always, will be available in the appropriate RAIB report when issued.

Whey, all these industry parlances get a bit tiring after a while. It gets like an episode of Casualty at times. A bit 'dumbing' down never did anyone ever harm

Heard similar rumours, but I am sure you would agree a public forum isn't the place to be commenting.

(21 Jun 2016, 11:20 am)Andreos1 wrote Whey, all these industry parlances get a bit tiring after a while. It gets like an episode of Casualty at times. A bit 'dumbing' down never did anyone ever harm

I hate any such phrases though, working in the industry does rather help fuel that. Trains are nothing like cars; they don't just "jump" lights.

(21 Jun 2016, 11:20 am)Andreos1 wrote Heard similar rumours, but I am sure you would agree a public forum isn't the place to be commenting.

Quite the contrary, speculation and debates are all what public forums are about!

http://costain.com/news/news-releases/ne...rn-tunnel/

Feature on Severn Tunnel electrification.

Having seen the lack of progress, I ain't surprised.

Sections of electrification deferred.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxf...e-37908735