Go North East - Future Order Predictions
Go North East - Future Order Predictions
(10 Oct 2021, 7:59 pm)Train8261 I only put the 311 there in case someone says that the 311 is busy.So really they busy for the first 15 mins...
Ive seen the 309/310 be quite busy leaving town. Its mainly before or after the coast road where the 309 & 310 are busy. But once they hit the coast road. In comes the 306/308/51/52/38 and then that's where they start being less popular
(10 Oct 2021, 7:59 pm)Train8261 I only put the 311 there in case someone says that the 311 is busy.So really they busy for the first 15 mins...
Ive seen the 309/310 be quite busy leaving town. Its mainly before or after the coast road where the 309 & 310 are busy. But once they hit the coast road. In comes the 306/308/51/52/38 and then that's where they start being less popular
(10 Oct 2021, 8:08 pm)Keeiajs So really they busy for the first 15 mins...I've seen the 309/310 packed leaving town quite a few times. But that's like all services. Most of the days they can be dead as hell but one day they get busy for some reason yet next day dead as owt again
(10 Oct 2021, 7:59 pm)Train8261 I only put the 311 there in case someone says that the 311 is busy.
Ive seen the 309/310 be quite busy leaving town. Its mainly before or after the coast road where the 309 & 310 are busy. But once they hit the coast road. In comes the 306/308/51/52/38 and then that's where they start being less popular
(10 Oct 2021, 7:59 pm)Train8261 I only put the 311 there in case someone says that the 311 is busy.
Ive seen the 309/310 be quite busy leaving town. Its mainly before or after the coast road where the 309 & 310 are busy. But once they hit the coast road. In comes the 306/308/51/52/38 and then that's where they start being less popular
(10 Oct 2021, 8:11 pm)Train8261 I've seen the 309/310 packed leaving town quite a few times. But that's like all services. Most of the days they can be dead as hell but one day they get busy for some reason yet next day dead as owt againwell I mean I have seen then at 09:00/11:00/14:00/17:00/21:00, they have all had around 10 people on.
(10 Oct 2021, 8:11 pm)Train8261 I've seen the 309/310 packed leaving town quite a few times. But that's like all services. Most of the days they can be dead as hell but one day they get busy for some reason yet next day dead as owt againwell I mean I have seen then at 09:00/11:00/14:00/17:00/21:00, they have all had around 10 people on.
I can’t account for the 310 or 311 don’t go on them frequently, however what I can say for the 309 I can get busy up to Cobalt especially in the peak times and fills up (not completely) towards Newcastle. Those are my experiences. On Weekends and off peak times it will of course be less busy. I think it’s really not about your experiences on whether a service is busy or not but what the data is across multiple vehicles on the service at the same time. You can see a vehicle isn’t busy but what are variable factors to do. What time have you seen them and where and what date. It’s a hard thing to determine which GNE has come to the conclusion that this is a service they believe they can upgrade and make a profit.
(11 Oct 2021, 8:09 am)NewcastleOne I can’t account for the 310 or 311 don’t go on them frequently, however what I can say for the 309 I can get busy up to Cobalt especially in the peak times and fills up (not completely) towards Newcastle. Those are my experiences. On Weekends and off peak times it will of course be less busy. I think it’s really not about your experiences on whether a service is busy or not but what the data is across multiple vehicles on the service at the same time. You can see a vehicle isn’t busy but what are variable factors to do. What time have you seen them and where and what date. It’s a hard thing to determine which GNE has come to the conclusion that this is a service they believe they can upgrade and make a profit.
(11 Oct 2021, 8:09 am)NewcastleOne I can’t account for the 310 or 311 don’t go on them frequently, however what I can say for the 309 I can get busy up to Cobalt especially in the peak times and fills up (not completely) towards Newcastle. Those are my experiences. On Weekends and off peak times it will of course be less busy. I think it’s really not about your experiences on whether a service is busy or not but what the data is across multiple vehicles on the service at the same time. You can see a vehicle isn’t busy but what are variable factors to do. What time have you seen them and where and what date. It’s a hard thing to determine which GNE has come to the conclusion that this is a service they believe they can upgrade and make a profit.
I was sat in the Crows nest on Friday drinking my beer - granted it was peak time but all the coast road buses seemed to be carrying good loads. The only exceptions were when a 308 and either a 309/310 were running one after another and when 2x 308 were together. One bus was choca one near empty
(11 Oct 2021, 9:23 am)Storx I could imagine the reason they picked those services is it's a joint bid between Northumberland, Durham and GNE. It wouldn't make much sense upgrading the 56 for example which doesn't touch either of the areas.I mean I would say 20/X21/65/16/16A are all pretty major routes aswell. With the X20/X22/50 being behind.
It's all about pollution spots aswell which the Coast Road is really bad and I believe Durham is trying to do something to try and make their area net zero. The P&R are part of it aswell and the 21, X5 and X15 are the main services to serve Durham which are deckers which are ran by GNE.
(11 Oct 2021, 9:23 am)Storx I could imagine the reason they picked those services is it's a joint bid between Northumberland, Durham and GNE. It wouldn't make much sense upgrading the 56 for example which doesn't touch either of the areas.I mean I would say 20/X21/65/16/16A are all pretty major routes aswell. With the X20/X22/50 being behind.
It's all about pollution spots aswell which the Coast Road is really bad and I believe Durham is trying to do something to try and make their area net zero. The P&R are part of it aswell and the 21, X5 and X15 are the main services to serve Durham which are deckers which are ran by GNE.
(11 Oct 2021, 6:13 pm)Keeiajs I mean I would say 20/X21/65/16/16A are all pretty major routes aswell. With the X20/X22/50 being behind.
(11 Oct 2021, 6:13 pm)Keeiajs I mean I would say 20/X21/65/16/16A are all pretty major routes aswell. With the X20/X22/50 being behind.
(12 Oct 2021, 8:03 am)Storx The 20 mostly spends it's time in Sunderland so doesn't really benefit Durham much and doesn't touch any high emittion areas ie. Tyne Bridge and is probably too long for electric buses (route wise).
X20 maybe but it's not that busy really.
X21 will be too long for electric buses.
50/65 are both secondary.
16/16A maybe but it's no different to the X5/X15 really and the second is xlines so is more premium.
It's not really about what's best but which routes are most attractive for funding. They could put a bid in to do all the Solos in the fleet but there's not a cat in hell chance they'd get the funding. There has to be a case about it and I'm guessing they're focusing on the Newcastle LEZ and a corridor in Durham (outside hospital maybe?)
(12 Oct 2021, 8:03 am)Storx The 20 mostly spends it's time in Sunderland so doesn't really benefit Durham much and doesn't touch any high emittion areas ie. Tyne Bridge and is probably too long for electric buses (route wise).
X20 maybe but it's not that busy really.
X21 will be too long for electric buses.
50/65 are both secondary.
16/16A maybe but it's no different to the X5/X15 really and the second is xlines so is more premium.
It's not really about what's best but which routes are most attractive for funding. They could put a bid in to do all the Solos in the fleet but there's not a cat in hell chance they'd get the funding. There has to be a case about it and I'm guessing they're focusing on the Newcastle LEZ and a corridor in Durham (outside hospital maybe?)
I’d like to see the 6 getting double decks at some stage, not new ones but cascades from somewhere else. It stands out as the only service between Newcastle and the MetroCentre that isn’t double deck now, and also the only single deck service in the mix towards Stanley
Connected with this I’d like to see the 12 back standalone with the Blaydon Racers brand reintroduced
(18 Oct 2021, 11:18 am)Wybus I’d like to see the 6 getting double decks at some stage, not new ones but cascades from somewhere else. It stands out as the only service between Newcastle and the MetroCentre that isn’t double deck now, and also the only single deck service in the mix towards StanleyDan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.
Connected with this I’d like to see the 12 back standalone with the Blaydon Racers brand reintroduced
(18 Oct 2021, 11:18 am)Wybus I’d like to see the 6 getting double decks at some stage, not new ones but cascades from somewhere else. It stands out as the only service between Newcastle and the MetroCentre that isn’t double deck now, and also the only single deck service in the mix towards StanleyDan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.
Connected with this I’d like to see the 12 back standalone with the Blaydon Racers brand reintroduced
(18 Oct 2021, 11:39 am)peter Dan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.If the 6 warranted deckers and ticketing data supported it, the 25 could be dropped to hourly between Langley Park & Chester Le Street with it continuing half hourly to Newcastle & interworking with the 6.
(18 Oct 2021, 11:39 am)peter Dan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.If the 6 warranted deckers and ticketing data supported it, the 25 could be dropped to hourly between Langley Park & Chester Le Street with it continuing half hourly to Newcastle & interworking with the 6.
(18 Oct 2021, 11:39 am)peter Dan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.
(18 Oct 2021, 11:39 am)peter Dan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.
(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen.Really what they could do it make Seaham a driver change over point with the 60 or 62 depending on timetabling and just tell the drivers to stay with the buses parked up till the driver had arrived to take over.
Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.
(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen.Really what they could do it make Seaham a driver change over point with the 60 or 62 depending on timetabling and just tell the drivers to stay with the buses parked up till the driver had arrived to take over.
Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.
(19 Oct 2021, 4:23 pm)Keeiajs Really what they could do it make Seaham a driver change over point with the 60 or 62 depending on timetabling and just tell the drivers to stay with the buses parked up till the driver had arrived to take over.
(19 Oct 2021, 4:23 pm)Keeiajs Really what they could do it make Seaham a driver change over point with the 60 or 62 depending on timetabling and just tell the drivers to stay with the buses parked up till the driver had arrived to take over.
(19 Oct 2021, 5:50 pm)BFK Go North East did this approx 10-15 years ago and it did not work because if the 60 was delayed due to a number of factors then the 65/154/265 ended up running late as well as the 60. Hetton or Seaham for changeovers for Peterlee drivers is much easier as then only one service is affected if late running instead of 2.Now the 65 is the late running one, But I think Seaham should turn into a interchange point really, it is the best place tbh on the 65 route.
(19 Oct 2021, 5:50 pm)BFK Go North East did this approx 10-15 years ago and it did not work because if the 60 was delayed due to a number of factors then the 65/154/265 ended up running late as well as the 60. Hetton or Seaham for changeovers for Peterlee drivers is much easier as then only one service is affected if late running instead of 2.Now the 65 is the late running one, But I think Seaham should turn into a interchange point really, it is the best place tbh on the 65 route.
(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen.I doubt the 12/12A and 49/49A will interwork (unless Evenings & Sundays) due to Euro 6 and ULEZ.
Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.
(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen.I doubt the 12/12A and 49/49A will interwork (unless Evenings & Sundays) due to Euro 6 and ULEZ.
Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.
