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Keeiajs

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19 Oct 2021, 7:13 pm #161
(19 Oct 2021, 7:02 pm)L469 YVK I doubt the 12/12A and 49/49A will interwork (unless Evenings & Sundays) due to Euro 6 and ULEZ.
Winlaton wanderer
Keeiajs
19 Oct 2021, 7:13 pm #161

(19 Oct 2021, 7:02 pm)L469 YVK I doubt the 12/12A and 49/49A will interwork (unless Evenings & Sundays) due to Euro 6 and ULEZ.
Winlaton wanderer

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19 Oct 2021, 7:15 pm #162
(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen. 

Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.

I think the interworking of the 6 / 12 is more about for the drivers taking breaks at the Metro Centre rather than getting the drivers onto the buses.

Assume the 65 and 204 drivers can take a break in Durham. 

The 12 and 49 would increase the PVR of Euro 6 buses dragging the 49 into it. It probably would make sense without the LEZ though.

Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.
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19 Oct 2021, 7:15 pm #162

(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen. 

Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.

I think the interworking of the 6 / 12 is more about for the drivers taking breaks at the Metro Centre rather than getting the drivers onto the buses.

Assume the 65 and 204 drivers can take a break in Durham. 

The 12 and 49 would increase the PVR of Euro 6 buses dragging the 49 into it. It probably would make sense without the LEZ though.

Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.

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19 Oct 2021, 7:27 pm #163
(19 Oct 2021, 7:15 pm)Storx I think the interworking of the 6 / 12 is more about for the drivers taking breaks at the Metro Centre rather than getting the drivers onto the buses.

Assume the 65 and 204 drivers can take a break in Durham. 

The 12 and 49 would increase the PVR of Euro 6 buses dragging the 49 into it. It probably would make sense without the LEZ though.

Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.
65/204 change over at Murton (not sure if its Dalton Park), and Sherburn.
Keeiajs
19 Oct 2021, 7:27 pm #163

(19 Oct 2021, 7:15 pm)Storx I think the interworking of the 6 / 12 is more about for the drivers taking breaks at the Metro Centre rather than getting the drivers onto the buses.

Assume the 65 and 204 drivers can take a break in Durham. 

The 12 and 49 would increase the PVR of Euro 6 buses dragging the 49 into it. It probably would make sense without the LEZ though.

Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.
65/204 change over at Murton (not sure if its Dalton Park), and Sherburn.

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19 Oct 2021, 9:24 pm #164
(19 Oct 2021, 7:15 pm)Storx Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.
Saying that, it would only reduce the PVR by 1x vehicle so not worth it. Not forgetting when traffic is bad around the MetroCentre, the potential of lost mileage on both routes.
L469 YVK
19 Oct 2021, 9:24 pm #164

(19 Oct 2021, 7:15 pm)Storx Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.
Saying that, it would only reduce the PVR by 1x vehicle so not worth it. Not forgetting when traffic is bad around the MetroCentre, the potential of lost mileage on both routes.

19 Oct 2021, 10:18 pm #165
What is the PVR of the 20?
Are the PB streetlites Euro 6?

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19 Oct 2021, 10:18 pm #165

What is the PVR of the 20?
Are the PB streetlites Euro 6?


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20 Oct 2021, 5:13 am #166
(19 Oct 2021, 10:18 pm)ASX_Terranova What is the PVR of the 20?
Are the PB streetlites Euro 6?


There are euro 5

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20 Oct 2021, 5:13 am #166

(19 Oct 2021, 10:18 pm)ASX_Terranova What is the PVR of the 20?
Are the PB streetlites Euro 6?


There are euro 5

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20 Oct 2021, 9:58 am #167
(20 Oct 2021, 5:13 am)cbma06 There are euro 5

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Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.

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20 Oct 2021, 9:58 am #167

(20 Oct 2021, 5:13 am)cbma06 There are euro 5

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Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.


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20 Oct 2021, 10:21 am #168
(20 Oct 2021, 9:58 am)ASX_Terranova Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.

The Streetlites from the 49/49A are going onto the 6, 12/12A with the Red Kite ones going to Gateshead for the 49/49A. They don't need the Prince Bishop ones. Versa's are on the 28/28A for the forseeable future they got Euro 6 mods. Unsure on the 25 or 57, could be either Streetlites or Versa's, depends which way round they do it but it's pretty much nailed on the next batch of Voltra are going to be for the 57 since it's unbranded but that's not confirmed either.
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20 Oct 2021, 10:21 am #168

(20 Oct 2021, 9:58 am)ASX_Terranova Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.

The Streetlites from the 49/49A are going onto the 6, 12/12A with the Red Kite ones going to Gateshead for the 49/49A. They don't need the Prince Bishop ones. Versa's are on the 28/28A for the forseeable future they got Euro 6 mods. Unsure on the 25 or 57, could be either Streetlites or Versa's, depends which way round they do it but it's pretty much nailed on the next batch of Voltra are going to be for the 57 since it's unbranded but that's not confirmed either.

20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am #169
(20 Oct 2021, 9:58 am)ASX_Terranova Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.

I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.
deanmachine
20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am #169

(20 Oct 2021, 9:58 am)ASX_Terranova Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.

I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.

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20 Oct 2021, 4:26 pm #170
(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.
Angel StreetDecks (if bid is approved) will no doubt end up replacing B9TLs that are "overkill" on certain routes unless there's capacity demand for the PBs
L469 YVK
20 Oct 2021, 4:26 pm #170

(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.
Angel StreetDecks (if bid is approved) will no doubt end up replacing B9TLs that are "overkill" on certain routes unless there's capacity demand for the PBs

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20 Oct 2021, 5:25 pm #171
(19 Oct 2021, 7:27 pm)Keeiajs 65/204 change over at Murton (not sure if its Dalton Park), and Sherburn.

As from 30th October all 65 changeovers will be from Hetton Interchange.
BFK
20 Oct 2021, 5:25 pm #171

(19 Oct 2021, 7:27 pm)Keeiajs 65/204 change over at Murton (not sure if its Dalton Park), and Sherburn.

As from 30th October all 65 changeovers will be from Hetton Interchange.

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20 Oct 2021, 5:39 pm #172
(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.
I would say that 56 would get them, then the 20 would get those.
Keeiajs
20 Oct 2021, 5:39 pm #172

(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.
I would say that 56 would get them, then the 20 would get those.

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20 Oct 2021, 5:41 pm #173
(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.
And allow withdrawal of all the 08/58 reg citaros
JP6004
20 Oct 2021, 5:41 pm #173

(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.
And allow withdrawal of all the 08/58 reg citaros

20 Oct 2021, 11:48 pm #174
(20 Oct 2021, 5:41 pm)JP6004 And allow withdrawal of all the 08/58 reg citaros

That's more my thinking, instead of moving still good B9s off anything, displace some more single deckers for newer more fuel efficient vehicles.
deanmachine
20 Oct 2021, 11:48 pm #174

(20 Oct 2021, 5:41 pm)JP6004 And allow withdrawal of all the 08/58 reg citaros

That's more my thinking, instead of moving still good B9s off anything, displace some more single deckers for newer more fuel efficient vehicles.

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21 Oct 2021, 12:51 am #175
(20 Oct 2021, 11:48 pm)deanmachine That's more my thinking, instead of moving still good B9s off anything, displace some more single deckers for newer more fuel efficient vehicles.
Exactly...and if the EV deckers are acquired, that would be the time to move some of the B9s from frontline service.
JP6004
21 Oct 2021, 12:51 am #175

(20 Oct 2021, 11:48 pm)deanmachine That's more my thinking, instead of moving still good B9s off anything, displace some more single deckers for newer more fuel efficient vehicles.
Exactly...and if the EV deckers are acquired, that would be the time to move some of the B9s from frontline service.

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05 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm #176
Upgrades - Country Ranger 8/78 - BrRLE MCV eVoRas
Leaving the 15 to the 26/50 

Upgrade 20 -  E200 MMC

Put Ex Prince Bishops to Replace the Older Versa's 

Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
Put Ex 56's on Loop or 58. 

Upgrade 60 with E200 MMC 
Ex-60's on Sunderland District Blue & Violet 

Retire Q3's. 

Replace Q3's with Streetlites - Q3's go onto X6/62 & Spares

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 


Ex Angel Streetdecks on Cobalt & Coast. 

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 

Crusader to get Ex-Angel (If Bid is successful)

Put Coaches on School/Rail Replacements. 
Keeiajs
05 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm #176

Upgrades - Country Ranger 8/78 - BrRLE MCV eVoRas
Leaving the 15 to the 26/50 

Upgrade 20 -  E200 MMC

Put Ex Prince Bishops to Replace the Older Versa's 

Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
Put Ex 56's on Loop or 58. 

Upgrade 60 with E200 MMC 
Ex-60's on Sunderland District Blue & Violet 

Retire Q3's. 

Replace Q3's with Streetlites - Q3's go onto X6/62 & Spares

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 


Ex Angel Streetdecks on Cobalt & Coast. 

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 

Crusader to get Ex-Angel (If Bid is successful)

Put Coaches on School/Rail Replacements. 

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05 Dec 2021, 6:51 pm #177
(05 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm)Keeiajs Upgrades - Country Ranger 8/78 - E200's 
Leaving the 15 to the 26/50 

Upgrade 20 - Volvo B8RLE MCV eVoRas.

Put Ex Prince Bishops to Replace the Older Versa's 

Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
Put Ex 56's on Loop or 58. 

Upgrade 60 with E200 MMC 
Ex-60's on Sunderland District Blue & Violet 

Retire Q3's. 

Replace Q3's with Streetlites 

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Crusader & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 


Ex Angel Streetdecks on Cobalt & Coast. 

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 

Put Coaches on School/Rail Replacements. 

Why would you retire 8 year old buses?

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05 Dec 2021, 6:51 pm #177

(05 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm)Keeiajs Upgrades - Country Ranger 8/78 - E200's 
Leaving the 15 to the 26/50 

Upgrade 20 - Volvo B8RLE MCV eVoRas.

Put Ex Prince Bishops to Replace the Older Versa's 

Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
Put Ex 56's on Loop or 58. 

Upgrade 60 with E200 MMC 
Ex-60's on Sunderland District Blue & Violet 

Retire Q3's. 

Replace Q3's with Streetlites 

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Crusader & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 


Ex Angel Streetdecks on Cobalt & Coast. 

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 

Put Coaches on School/Rail Replacements. 

Why would you retire 8 year old buses?


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05 Dec 2021, 7:51 pm #178
(05 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm)Keeiajs Upgrade 20 - Volvo B8RLE MCV eVoRas.
*Would cost a fortune in fuel to run, and if GNE were out for a heavy duty decker, surely the B8RLE would be more suited to the 8/78 as above?


Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
* StreetDecks would be more than fine for the 56 

Retire Q3's 
* Nothing wrong with the Versas as such

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Crusader & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 
* X5/X15 and Cobalt & Coast already in pipeline subject to bids. Crusader not strong enough a route to get new stock and B9TLs are fine.

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 
* Agree the X21 could do with a more solid vehicle type but B5TLs are ok for now (through gritted teeth) .

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 
* Coaches will be more than fine once teething issues sorted out (if any). 
L469 YVK
05 Dec 2021, 7:51 pm #178

(05 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm)Keeiajs Upgrade 20 - Volvo B8RLE MCV eVoRas.
*Would cost a fortune in fuel to run, and if GNE were out for a heavy duty decker, surely the B8RLE would be more suited to the 8/78 as above?


Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
* StreetDecks would be more than fine for the 56 

Retire Q3's 
* Nothing wrong with the Versas as such

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Crusader & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 
* X5/X15 and Cobalt & Coast already in pipeline subject to bids. Crusader not strong enough a route to get new stock and B9TLs are fine.

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 
* Agree the X21 could do with a more solid vehicle type but B5TLs are ok for now (through gritted teeth) .

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 
* Coaches will be more than fine once teething issues sorted out (if any). 

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19 Dec 2021, 10:04 pm #179
Well we now know an answer if we would ever get any of these buses by this tweet

Looks like Go North West are getting 20 Go-Ahead London Volvo B5LH MCV Evoseti’s, any chance of some for the North East @Dan3942 @MartijnGNE

To which Martijn respond https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/14...IwPM20R66g&s=19
Train8261
19 Dec 2021, 10:04 pm #179

Well we now know an answer if we would ever get any of these buses by this tweet

Looks like Go North West are getting 20 Go-Ahead London Volvo B5LH MCV Evoseti’s, any chance of some for the North East @Dan3942 @MartijnGNE

To which Martijn respond https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/14...IwPM20R66g&s=19

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16 Apr 2022, 2:21 pm #180
If GNE order any more E200 and E400 would they get the camera mirrors instead of actual mirrors, I am quite suprised that the current E400 don't have them, especially on some of the X72 quite tight turns
Unber43
16 Apr 2022, 2:21 pm #180

If GNE order any more E200 and E400 would they get the camera mirrors instead of actual mirrors, I am quite suprised that the current E400 don't have them, especially on some of the X72 quite tight turns

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