I would like to see the 60 extended to Seaburn, but reduced to every 12 minutes. Using a couple of extra Streetlites bought.

Wonder if all the 35/35a boards will be run by deptford?, or will chester get 2 boards, the 71 wont last if the 35 change doesn't come off. Also i wouldn't be surprised if the 35 would follow the 4 route and miss out avanue vivian, and what may come of the dafs cls have?

(26 Nov 2014, 7:40 pm)nk55 wrote Wonder if all the 35/35a boards will be run by deptford?, or  will chester get 2 boards, the 71 wont last if the 35 change doesn't come off. Also i wouldn't be surprised if the 35 would follow the 4 route and miss out avanue vivian, and what may come of the dafs cls have?

Good point, i didn't think of that, sounds a good idea for the first runs from Chester 

I'm not convinced about the 20/20A changes, but that's solely on what I perceive the reliability will be like. There's far too much to that route for problems to occur. 

The 42 being binned in order to extend the 2A/2C makes sense, but I'd have perhaps liked to see it extended a short distance to the Doxford Enterprise Park. Does anyone know what the PVR increase to Silksworth would be?

(26 Nov 2014, 7:54 pm)aureolin wrote I'm not convinced about the 20/20A changes, but that's solely on what I perceive the reliability will be like. There's far too much to that route for problems to occur. 

The 42 being binned in order to extend the 2A/2C makes sense, but I'd have perhaps liked to see it extended a short distance to the Doxford Enterprise Park. Does anyone know what the PVR increase to Silksworth would be?

I did a list earlier for PVR's... or more like what i think they'll be, if changes happen:

http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showth...p?tid=1030&page=37

I agree with all the changes, for once, the 35/36 one's sound the best.

I think the 20/20A change will work... if it has a better timetable, longer to do runs etc

(26 Nov 2014, 7:55 pm)Michael wrote I did a list earlier for PVR's... or more like what i think they'll be, if changes happen:

http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showth...p?tid=1030&page=37

I agree with all the changes, for once, the 35/36 one's sound the best.

I think the 20/20A change will work... if it has a better timetable, longer to do runs etc

Cheers Michael. I'd hope that 4 Mercs are sourced.

Re: 20/20A. I'm hoping that it will have a decent amount of layover time at each end, and perhaps somewhere in the middle. They done something similar a few years ago with the 50, where it had a good 5-10 mins layover.

On a side note, maybe a re-brand could be on the cards for the Prince Bishops? Hardly seems worth calling it after Durham, when the majority of the route is going to be in Tyne and Wear.

(26 Nov 2014, 8:00 pm)aureolin wrote Cheers Michael. I'd hope that 4 Mercs are sourced.

Re: 20/20A. I'm hoping that it will have a decent amount of layover time at each end, and perhaps somewhere in the middle. They done something similar a few years ago with the 50, where it had a good 5-10 mins layover.

On a side note, maybe a re-brand could be on the cards for the Prince Bishops? Hardly seems worth calling it after Durham, when the majority of the route is going to be in Tyne and Wear.

No prob's! =)

It's not accurate but i think it's right.

Me too, although a few people might be upset about the 35/35A not going to Shields, look at the link's the 35/35A will open though. 

I hope not, Prince Bishops is one of my favorite brands.  

(26 Nov 2014, 8:07 pm)Michael wrote I hope not, Prince Bishops is one of my favorite brands.  

I wouldn't imagine that the Prince Bishops livery would change: if the changes are being made with investment in mind for the near future, then a complete livery re-design wouldn't be rational.

Done a possible timetable for the 20:

20 – Durham-South Shields

Durham Bus Station: 00 10 20 30 40 50
Belmont: 11 21 31 41 51
Houghton-le-Spring: 35 45 55 05 15 25
East Herrington: 44 54 04 14 24 34
Sunderland Interchange arr: 57 07 17 27 37 47
Sunderland Interchange dep: 00 10 20 30 40 50
Fullwell The Grange: 12 22 32 42 52
Cleadon Pond: 17 27 37 47 57 07
Harton Nook: 21 31 41 51 01 11
Westoe: 26 36 46 56 06 16
South Shields, Market: 31 41 51 01 11 21

South Shields, Market: 00 10 20 30 40 50
Westoe: 06 16 26 36 46 56
Harton Nook: 11 21 31 41 51 01
Cleadon Pond: 16 26 36 46 56 06
Fullwell Grange: 21 31 41 51 01 11
Sunderland Interchange arr: 32 42 52 02 12 22
Sunderland Interchange dep: 35 45 55 05 15 25
East Herrington: 48 58 08 18 28 38
Houghton-le-Spring: 58 08 18 28 38 48
Belmont: 21 31 41 51 01 11
Durham Bus Station: 32 42 52 02 12

(26 Nov 2014, 8:11 pm)Dan wrote I wouldn't imagine that the Prince Bishops livery would change: if the changes are being made with investment in mind for the near future, then a complete livery re-design wouldn't be rational.

Sorry i meant, near future if the Prince Bishops gets new buses in 2015.

(26 Nov 2014, 8:24 pm)Tom wrote Done a possible timetable for the 20:

20 – Durham-South Shields

Durham Bus Station: 00 10 20 30 40 50
Belmont: 11 21 31 41 51
Houghton-le-Spring: 35 45 55 05 15 25
East Herrington: 44 54 04 14 24 34
Sunderland Interchange arr: 57 07 17 27 37 47
Sunderland Interchange dep: 00 10 20 30 40 50
Fullwell The Grange: 12 22 32 42 52
Cleadon Pond: 17 27 37 47 57 07
Harton Nook: 21 31 41 51 01 11
Westoe: 26 36 46 56 06 16
South Shields, Market: 31 41 51 01 11 21

South Shields, Market: 00 10 20 30 40 50
Westoe: 06 16 26 36 46 56
Harton Nook: 11 21 31 41 51 01
Cleadon Pond: 16 26 36 46 56 06
Fullwell Grange: 21 31 41 51 01 11
Sunderland Interchange arr: 32 42 52 02 12 22
Sunderland Interchange dep: 35 45 55 05 15 25
East Herrington: 48 58 08 18 28 38
Houghton-le-Spring: 58 08 18 28 38 48
Belmont: 21 31 41 51 01 11
Durham Bus Station: 32 42 52 02 12

I think it will stay as the 20/20A, either way, looks good! =)

I think the reliability of service 20 may hopefully be fine if there is a few minutes layover in Durham and South Shields plus a good few minutes in Park Lane to allow plenty of time for passengers to board, especially on Durham bound journeys.

(26 Nov 2014, 5:38 pm)Michael wrote Few repaints coming up if changes go ahead!

Like i said before, i can see most services keeping the same buses as of now, only think the 38 will use Versa, as at least 5 could be spare. 

(26 Nov 2014, 7:40 pm)nk55 wrote Wonder if all the 35/35a boards will be run by deptford?, or  will chester get 2 boards, the 71 wont last if the 35 change doesn't come off. Also i wouldn't be surprised if the 35 would follow the 4 route and miss out avanue vivian, and what may come of the dafs cls have?

Purely speculation at this stage, but I think that the main bulk of repaints will include the former "Fab Fifty Six" branded Scania L94UB/Wright Solar vehicles at Deptford, currently in corporate livery or "Northern" branding.

By my calculations, the PVRs should be as follows:

• 2 & 2A/2C - PVR 13 - "Silver Arrows" Citaro
  
• 20/20A - PVR 19 - "Prince Bishops" Solar
  
• 33 - PVR 2(?) - MPD
  
• 35 - PVR 8 - "Laser" Solar
  
• 36 - PVR 7 - "Laser" Citaro
  
• 38 & 238 - PVR 5(?) - "SimpliCity" Versa
  
• 56 - PVR 14 - "Fab Fifty Six" Volvo B9
  
• 99 - PVR 1 - MPD
  
• X35/X36 - PVR 10 - "Fast Cats" Solar
  

The vehicle type allocation is based on vehicles available, but again, purely speculative.

Assuming the vehicle type allocation is correct: five Mercedes Citaros (5305 - 5309 for arguments sake) would be required from the Laser allocation to be repainted silver for the revised '2' service, while the remaining seven would remain in "Laser" branding for service 36.
This would release five "SimpliCity" Optare Versas from service 42. I think the new PVR of services 38/238 will become 5 (+1 vehicle in total for the extension of the 38?), so makes sense in my eyes for a like-for-like replacement.

Five Solars would be required for the revised 20/20A, two likewise for the revised 35. There are 9 Solars at Deptford in Northern/GNE Red...

The service changes would lower the PVR of service 56 to 14, allowing a Volvo B9 to transfer to PM, and in turn a Trident to STY, replacing an Olympian.
The PVR of service 99 would lower from 2 to 1, allowing one of Deptford's to transfer elsewhere, presumably replacing 524.
The PVR of services X35/X36 would lower from 11 to 10, displacing one of Deptford's Volvo B10s to Chester-le-Street to replace a "Lime" branded example.

The Cadets released from Chester-le-Street would transfer back to Deptford to act as reserve vehicles, and Deptford's four examples would undertake the same role in the fleet.
Two are currently allocated to the nPower services - so think of 6039/42 (which originally transferred for these contracts) as Cadets in this suggestion...  

Dan, we nearly had the same idea on PVR's.

I also said Versa's to the 38, hopefully also means the current purple ones will get branded for the 39.

I really hope these chabges go ahead... Citaros going through Castletown.. my auntie will be happy!

Although the 99 should continue to the retail park.. but that means it would have to be a 2 PVR and the timetable won't work.

I do like some of the changes,
2/2A seems like good changes to me, as does the 35 too.
The 36 Chester-Town End Farm? I'm not convinced on this one seems like a bit of Malarkey Marathon! In all seriousness quite a long route there. Giving Fence Houses a Sunderland link is a good idea though.
20/20A I'm not too conviced about either but could be okay if they manage to keep it to time.
Reducing the 56 could be a good move if it does help them keep to time more.

(26 Nov 2014, 10:36 pm)Michael wrote Dan, we nearly had the same idea on PVR's.

I also said Versa's to the 38, hopefully also means the current purple ones will get branded for the 39.

I really hope these chabges go ahead... Citaros going through Castletown.. my auntie will be happy!

Although the 99 should continue to the retail park.. but that means it would have to be a 2 PVR and the timetable won't work.

Another (imo less likely) alternative is that service 39 gets the five branded examples, while services 38/238 fall under a different brand using 8306-09/19.

Again, all purely speculative at this stage... We don't even know if the changes will go ahead yet.

(26 Nov 2014, 11:35 pm)Dan wrote Another (imo less likely) alternative is that service 39 gets the five branded examples, while services 38/238 fall under a different brand using 8306-09/19.

Again, all purely speculative at this stage... We don't even know if the changes will go ahead yet.

I'm not sure the 238 will leave East Durham brand, despite maybe it should? There's also the issue of big buses around Northlea, Seaham. Due to parked cars, apparently anything other than an MPD won't fit around there, so that's an issue with allocating Versas. 

I do think it could be likely that 8325-8329 May be transferred to the 39. 

I still can't understand the 33 - where will it be running to/from?

service 33 by whats been noted, Sunderland-Silksworth-Doxford International then it changes to service 39 at Doxford International, with a Monday to Saturday proposed 15 minute frequency.

So in Silksworth there will be service 33 Monday to Saturday Daytime, with a service 35A on evenings and Sundays, plus service 2/2A.


https://www.facebook.com/Doxford.residents?fref=ts

(27 Nov 2014, 9:18 am)cbma06 wrote service 33 by whats been noted, Sunderland-Silksworth-Doxford International then it changes to service 39 at Doxford International, with a proposed 15 minute frequency.


https://www.facebook.com/Doxford.residents?fref=ts

Sounds a decent idea, wonder why GNE didn't mention this? 


33-  Sunderland- Silksworth - Doxford International (5 minute layover as the 39 is every 20 minutes), then Moorside » Doxford Park » Ryhope » Grangetown » Sunderland City Centre » Royal Hospital » Chester Road » Pennywell 

I would imagine that the 33 will use Versa then, if interworking is happening. 

PVR sounds around 8?, (includes both 33 and 39)

I wonder if service 39 will go to a 15 minute frequency since service 29 will be withdrawn?.

(27 Nov 2014, 9:37 am)cbma06 wrote I wonder if service 39 will go to a 15 minute frequency since service 29 will be withdrawn?.

Maybe, i'm gonna email GNE about it, see what they say. 

(26 Nov 2014, 8:07 pm)Michael wrote No prob's! =)

It's not accurate but i think it's right.

Me too, although a few people might be upset about the 35/35A not going to Shields, look at the link's the 35/35A will open though. 

I hope not, Prince Bishops is one of my favorite brands.  

I like the prince bishops brand, probably look good on a double decker, I liked the short lived prince bishop swift brand on the X20.

(27 Nov 2014, 9:55 am)cbma06 wrote I like the prince bishops brand, probably look good on a double decker, I liked the short lived prince bishop swift brand on the X20.

It's one of my favorite brand's, it will look good on a double decker.

Never know, we may see that next year =)

(27 Nov 2014, 9:51 am)Michael wrote Maybe, i'm gonna email GNE about it, see what they say. 

So i'm on live chat asking about the 33, this is what i got...


Good Morning, you're chatting with ******, yes we are currently registering a new route and all the information will be uploaded to our website in due time.


Not much info then! 

Don't axe the 29 it's a good service sometimes no seats

(27 Nov 2014, 11:59 am)Acky81 wrote Don't axe the 29 it's a good service sometimes no seats

It is, but they increasing it from every 20 minutes to 15 minutes and getting better buses. 

(27 Nov 2014, 11:59 am)Acky81 wrote Don't axe the 29 it's a good service sometimes no seats

Proposed North side of the river the 29 will be replaced by proposed service 35.

Proposed south side of the river more than likely service 29 be replaced by increase of service 39 from every 20 minutes to every 15 minutes with proposed service 33 every 15 minutes between Sunderland and doxford international via silksworth

Surely all this talk should be in the consultation thread since there only proposed and not definite

(27 Nov 2014, 11:18 pm)idiot wrote Surely all this talk should be in the consultation thread since there only proposed and not definite

Same thing when it comes to consultations