(27 Oct 2018, 8:19 pm)Wybus Which depot operates service 168 now?
Do Deptford still do a scholars 5030 in Peterlee?
(27 Oct 2018, 8:19 pm)Wybus Which depot operates service 168 now?
Do Deptford still do a scholars 5030 in Peterlee?
(27 Oct 2018, 8:24 pm)Dan Today, Chester-le-Street. From tomorrow, Peterlee.Why would they operate it from a depot so far away
Solo 708 will be transferred to Peterlee tomorrow to operate the 168 service.
The 5030 service was withdrawn from the start of this academic school year.
(27 Oct 2018, 9:45 pm)JM03 Why would they operate it from a depot so far away
(27 Oct 2018, 9:45 pm)JM03 Why would they operate it from a depot so far away
(28 Oct 2018, 6:10 pm)Rapidsnap In the morning the 168 starts from East Rainton
Distance from CLS Depot - 5.6 Miles
Distance from PLE Depot - 8 Miles
On the evening the last trip terminates at Hetton Le Hole Interchange
Distance from CLS Depot - 7.2 Miles
Distance from PLE Depot - 6.3 Miles
Total Dead Mileage
CLS - 12.8
PLE - 14.3
There isn't actually much distance between the 2 depots and considering the time the service operates and runs, they could tag say a work service from Rainton Bridge to Peterlee on the end to eradicate the dead mileage. Plus the costs of supplying drivers for the service will be lower at Peterlee so it negates the 1.5 mile difference. I'm sure there are plenty of other routes that have much more dead mileage than the 168.
Distances provided by Google Maps.
(28 Oct 2018, 6:10 pm)Rapidsnap In the morning the 168 starts from East Rainton
Distance from CLS Depot - 5.6 Miles
Distance from PLE Depot - 8 Miles
On the evening the last trip terminates at Hetton Le Hole Interchange
Distance from CLS Depot - 7.2 Miles
Distance from PLE Depot - 6.3 Miles
Total Dead Mileage
CLS - 12.8
PLE - 14.3
There isn't actually much distance between the 2 depots and considering the time the service operates and runs, they could tag say a work service from Rainton Bridge to Peterlee on the end to eradicate the dead mileage. Plus the costs of supplying drivers for the service will be lower at Peterlee so it negates the 1.5 mile difference. I'm sure there are plenty of other routes that have much more dead mileage than the 168.
Distances provided by Google Maps.
(28 Oct 2018, 6:10 pm)Rapidsnap In the morning the 168 starts from East Rainton
Distance from CLS Depot - 5.6 Miles
Distance from PLE Depot - 8 Miles
On the evening the last trip terminates at Hetton Le Hole Interchange
Distance from CLS Depot - 7.2 Miles
Distance from PLE Depot - 6.3 Miles
Total Dead Mileage
CLS - 12.8
PLE - 14.3
There isn't actually much distance between the 2 depots and considering the time the service operates and runs, they could tag say a work service from Rainton Bridge to Peterlee on the end to eradicate the dead mileage. Plus the costs of supplying drivers for the service will be lower at Peterlee so it negates the 1.5 mile difference. I'm sure there are plenty of other routes that have much more dead mileage than the 168.
Distances provided by Google Maps.
(28 Oct 2018, 6:10 pm)Rapidsnap In the morning the 168 starts from East Rainton
Distance from CLS Depot - 5.6 Miles
Distance from PLE Depot - 8 Miles
On the evening the last trip terminates at Hetton Le Hole Interchange
Distance from CLS Depot - 7.2 Miles
Distance from PLE Depot - 6.3 Miles
Total Dead Mileage
CLS - 12.8
PLE - 14.3
There isn't actually much distance between the 2 depots and considering the time the service operates and runs, they could tag say a work service from Rainton Bridge to Peterlee on the end to eradicate the dead mileage. Plus the costs of supplying drivers for the service will be lower at Peterlee so it negates the 1.5 mile difference. I'm sure there are plenty of other routes that have much more dead mileage than the 168.
Distances provided by Google Maps.
(28 Oct 2018, 9:08 pm)Wybus I wonder what the longest dead runs are in normal operation, maybe Newcastle to Hexham, Gateshead to Durham?
(28 Oct 2018, 9:37 pm)Tom I reckon Ashington to Percy Main may be a good shout (19)
(28 Oct 2018, 9:08 pm)Wybus I wonder what the longest dead runs are in normal operation, maybe Newcastle to Hexham, Gateshead to Durham?
(28 Oct 2018, 9:37 pm)Tom I reckon Ashington to Percy Main may be a good shout (19)
(28 Oct 2018, 9:43 pm)Andreos1 I'm sure there's an X1 or two that run light from Easington Lane to Newcastle.
Regularly see them in peaks on the A19 heading north in what I assume are positioning runs) at approx 1730.
They're often behind a 4 branded Merc, which I am guessing does the same, but from Houghton - Heworth.
(28 Oct 2018, 9:43 pm)Andreos1 I'm sure there's an X1 or two that run light from Easington Lane to Newcastle.
Regularly see them in peaks on the A19 heading north in what I assume are positioning runs) at approx 1730.
They're often behind a 4 branded Merc, which I am guessing does the same, but from Houghton - Heworth.
(28 Oct 2018, 11:03 am)Wybus There is an 11 that starts at Wallsend Metro at 0809, does this operate another service or a scholars before hand?
(28 Oct 2018, 11:03 am)Wybus There is an 11 that starts at Wallsend Metro at 0809, does this operate another service or a scholars before hand?
They will be depot runs as up Houghton Cut, A19 and Washington Highway is fastest route back to depot, if they were heading for Newcastle they prob would have headed towards the A1.
Though it would be interesting to see which depot has the most dead mileage, I would assume Percy Main would be near the top as they have dead runs to / from places like Blyth, Cramlington, Gateshead, Ashington, Kingston Park, Wideopen to name some of the further afield places. But then you have to take into account if some of these vehicles do other duties, I discovered a few months back that one of the 309s that terminated in Blyth runs dead to North Shields to do a 310. Only discovered that when I followed a Cobalt Clipper all the way down the coast from Blyth to N Shields where it then blinded up for the 310 to Newcastle or Cobalt South.
I've seen companies in the past like Preston Bus and Cardiff Bus actually create services to eliminate some dead mileage, though I believe both have done away with the practise. Though Preston have numbered their staff service the 4 and it's available to the public too. But in the cast of Preston Bus, back before Rotala and Stagecoach. Services that terminated on the outskirts away from the depot like the Larches Estate for the 27, instead of running back to the depot, it would change to the 127, run along its normal route to a location where it can head towards the depot. This also enable them to claim BSOG even if no one used the service they were getting some money back.
If GNE were to use this example, they could create something like D prefixed services to avoid confusion with normal services. So any buses terminating at Wallsend could run as the D6 to Percy Main via High Street, Tynemouth Road and Wallsend Road. For the 19 dead runs to Ashington, you could have the D19, start it from the depot run it through Tyne Tunnel Trading Estate and Cobalt before joining the A19 at Holystone and run it direct to Bedlington then up to Ashington. Ok it might increase the drivers duties slightly but they get BSOG and possibly some revenue from those who work overnight like cleaners etc.
(28 Oct 2018, 10:41 pm)Andreos1 Back to the depot during peaks?!
(28 Oct 2018, 10:41 pm)Andreos1 Back to the depot during peaks?!
(29 Oct 2018, 7:42 am)RM2186 By 17.30 the number of buses reduces as the peaks tend to tail off before that time these days. There are still plenty of 4's and X1's to cope with demand from Heworth and Newcastle until 18.30 when peak demand has passed.
(28 Oct 2018, 10:41 pm)Andreos1 Back to the depot during peaks?!
(29 Oct 2018, 7:42 am)RM2186 By 17.30 the number of buses reduces as the peaks tend to tail off before that time these days. There are still plenty of 4's and X1's to cope with demand from Heworth and Newcastle until 18.30 when peak demand has passed.
(29 Oct 2018, 8:06 am)Dan The 16:03 X1 service arrives at Easington Lane at 17:11 and runs light to the depot from there, arriving 17:33.
The peak flow of demand is Newcastle to Easington Lane on an evening, so the service provision is increased in this direction from every 12 minutes to every 10 (or more, with the X1As) and decreased to every 15 in the opposite direction.
It'd take over an hour for that bus to travel back to Newcastle, plus any layover, so if that bus didn't return to the depot when it does now, it'd be doing a service from Newcastle at around 18:30 by which time the evening peak has been and gone, and the number of people travelling is much fewer (to the point the service provision is reduced to every 15 minutes in this direction too).
(29 Oct 2018, 8:06 am)Dan The 16:03 X1 service arrives at Easington Lane at 17:11 and runs light to the depot from there, arriving 17:33.
The peak flow of demand is Newcastle to Easington Lane on an evening, so the service provision is increased in this direction from every 12 minutes to every 10 (or more, with the X1As) and decreased to every 15 in the opposite direction.
It'd take over an hour for that bus to travel back to Newcastle, plus any layover, so if that bus didn't return to the depot when it does now, it'd be doing a service from Newcastle at around 18:30 by which time the evening peak has been and gone, and the number of people travelling is much fewer (to the point the service provision is reduced to every 15 minutes in this direction too).
