(13 Jan 2019, 11:49 am)Adrian It is worth remembering that the X21 was amended to serve Low Fell at the same time the new buses were introduced, so I wouldn't look too much into the headline figure.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:49 am)Adrian It is worth remembering that the X21 was amended to serve Low Fell at the same time the new buses were introduced, so I wouldn't look too much into the headline figure.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:52 am)Andreos1 I would suggest so.They are new buses internally though, for passengers. New seats, new features, new flooring. It's not just putting a fresh livery on and expecting people to jump on the same bus as a result.
Just look at the refurbs carried out on the Mercs. Passengers thought they were new vehicles.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:52 am)Andreos1 I would suggest so.They are new buses internally though, for passengers. New seats, new features, new flooring. It's not just putting a fresh livery on and expecting people to jump on the same bus as a result.
Just look at the refurbs carried out on the Mercs. Passengers thought they were new vehicles.
Found it, think this was around 2011.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:54 am)Jamie M They are new buses internally though, for passengers. New seats, new features, new flooring. It's not just putting a fresh livery on and expecting people to jump on the same bus as a result.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:54 am)Jamie M They are new buses internally though, for passengers. New seats, new features, new flooring. It's not just putting a fresh livery on and expecting people to jump on the same bus as a result.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:13 pm)Andreos1 Dunno about you, but it's the outside of the bus I see first, not the inside... ?I don't think they look any newer from the outside.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:13 pm)Andreos1 Dunno about you, but it's the outside of the bus I see first, not the inside... ?I don't think they look any newer from the outside.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:15 pm)Jamie M I don't think they look any newer from the outside.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:15 pm)Jamie M I don't think they look any newer from the outside.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:24 pm)Andreos1 So the re-paints to the 9, 57 or 27 didn't catch your eye?I noted fab-fifty-seven to citylink, highwayman to green arrow and crusader maroon to crusader silver. But none of the recent updates externally with the internal refurbs.
You didn't notice they looked different on the outside?
You didn't notice the differences to the colour scheme on the vehicles running the route prior?
(13 Jan 2019, 12:24 pm)Andreos1 So the re-paints to the 9, 57 or 27 didn't catch your eye?I noted fab-fifty-seven to citylink, highwayman to green arrow and crusader maroon to crusader silver. But none of the recent updates externally with the internal refurbs.
You didn't notice they looked different on the outside?
You didn't notice the differences to the colour scheme on the vehicles running the route prior?
(13 Jan 2019, 12:26 pm)Jamie M I noted fab-fifty-seven to citylink, highwayman to green arrow and crusader maroon to crusader silver. But none of the recent updates externally with the internal refurbs.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:26 pm)Jamie M I noted fab-fifty-seven to citylink, highwayman to green arrow and crusader maroon to crusader silver. But none of the recent updates externally with the internal refurbs.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:49 pm)Andreos1 So when you noticed the 57 change its branding a year or two back, do you think others did too?Yeah but mainly because it had a newer bus on. I tend to view branding lesser than I view internal specs or the bus itself. I mean thats just me, I'm interested if there's any stats that support branding being a way to get more bums on seats.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:49 pm)Andreos1 So when you noticed the 57 change its branding a year or two back, do you think others did too?Yeah but mainly because it had a newer bus on. I tend to view branding lesser than I view internal specs or the bus itself. I mean thats just me, I'm interested if there's any stats that support branding being a way to get more bums on seats.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:26 pm)Jamie M I noted fab-fifty-seven to citylink, highwayman to green arrow and crusader maroon to crusader silver. But none of the recent updates externally with the internal refurbs.
(13 Jan 2019, 12:26 pm)Jamie M I noted fab-fifty-seven to citylink, highwayman to green arrow and crusader maroon to crusader silver. But none of the recent updates externally with the internal refurbs.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:50 am)JP6004 Yes a vast improvement to the presidents prior. However I think the striking new brand peaked people's interest and would of been associated as being a reliable source of transport compared to the previous allocation; hence increased footfall. I don't think the same increase would of been observed if corporate livery vehicles had been used. The branding in itself is a marketing campaign for the route, the added bonus of new reliable vehicles with WiFi plug sockets tables etc would only enhance the quality of the new brand and get people onboard
(13 Jan 2019, 11:50 am)JP6004 Yes a vast improvement to the presidents prior. However I think the striking new brand peaked people's interest and would of been associated as being a reliable source of transport compared to the previous allocation; hence increased footfall. I don't think the same increase would of been observed if corporate livery vehicles had been used. The branding in itself is a marketing campaign for the route, the added bonus of new reliable vehicles with WiFi plug sockets tables etc would only enhance the quality of the new brand and get people onboard
(13 Jan 2019, 11:44 am)Andreos1 I wonder.
GNE openly knicked a lot of ideas from Nottingham, who would have had figures to support their own branding excercises.
Would the ordinary public have noticed the new colour scheme, new branding/imagery or new vehicles?
(13 Jan 2019, 1:05 pm)Michael I think when the Scania's leave the "Green Arrow", i think the brand will be dropped completely, same as the "Black Cats" on the 35, i think that'll go co-operate, inline with the 36.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:44 am)Andreos1 I wonder.
GNE openly knicked a lot of ideas from Nottingham, who would have had figures to support their own branding excercises.
Would the ordinary public have noticed the new colour scheme, new branding/imagery or new vehicles?
(13 Jan 2019, 1:05 pm)Michael I think when the Scania's leave the "Green Arrow", i think the brand will be dropped completely, same as the "Black Cats" on the 35, i think that'll go co-operate, inline with the 36.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:49 pm)BusLoverMum People notice new buses. They also notice reliable buses. Heard more drivers bit ching about the CE streetdecks than passengers, mind. The one driving our long omni, last week, was loving it!
That would upset all the fanatics desperate for black cats to be implemented, little over a year ago.
(13 Jan 2019, 11:49 pm)BusLoverMum People notice new buses. They also notice reliable buses. Heard more drivers bit ching about the CE streetdecks than passengers, mind. The one driving our long omni, last week, was loving it!
That would upset all the fanatics desperate for black cats to be implemented, little over a year ago.
(15 Jan 2019, 7:16 pm)Michael Maybe but it would still be on the 2/2A, 33/33A and 39. The 36 is now Go North East and i think the 35 will go Go North East, to be inline with the 36.
(15 Jan 2019, 7:16 pm)Michael Maybe but it would still be on the 2/2A, 33/33A and 39. The 36 is now Go North East and i think the 35 will go Go North East, to be inline with the 36.
(15 Jan 2019, 8:44 pm)N1cholas the thing is the 2/2A, 33/33A 39 and 35 are deptford routes, the 35 will probs stay black cats after the scanias have gone because it is easier to use any black cats bus on it than any other brand, the 36 is a chester route where they dont have black cats brand hence why it is go north east corporate
(15 Jan 2019, 8:44 pm)N1cholas the thing is the 2/2A, 33/33A 39 and 35 are deptford routes, the 35 will probs stay black cats after the scanias have gone because it is easier to use any black cats bus on it than any other brand, the 36 is a chester route where they dont have black cats brand hence why it is go north east corporate
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