Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
On another note, I knew this would happen with the 50's one way or another.
Arriva don't want to have to pull the resources to operate them not forgetting (with some movements) that Blyth & Ashington can effectively become decker operated with the 1, 2, 57, 57A using StreetLites from the 52/53/54.
(11 May 2023, 6:12 pm)DaveFromUpNorth The 51 service would ideally be split and added to the existing networks
342 service from Wallsend to go via Wiltshire Drive to create the connecting link to Benton Asda - instead of turning at Benton Asda roundabout create a loop around asda clockwise and anti clockwise around Holystone (whitley Road) industrial estate old houses before looping into Holystone new build estate and back along past Asda
For the Wiltshire Road link to Newcastle City Centre add it to the 307 route and revert 309 to omitt mullen Road and create a fast link to Battlehill (previous routes)
Additing the Wiltshire to Benton Asda on the 342 route provides a day eve and sun service as oppose to adding it to a 335 service
Alternatively create a ticketing ticket where it connects for free to a connecting bus and buses wait for each other similar to a transfare ticket
(11 May 2023, 6:12 pm)DaveFromUpNorth The 51 service would ideally be split and added to the existing networks
342 service from Wallsend to go via Wiltshire Drive to create the connecting link to Benton Asda - instead of turning at Benton Asda roundabout create a loop around asda clockwise and anti clockwise around Holystone (whitley Road) industrial estate old houses before looping into Holystone new build estate and back along past Asda
For the Wiltshire Road link to Newcastle City Centre add it to the 307 route and revert 309 to omitt mullen Road and create a fast link to Battlehill (previous routes)
Additing the Wiltshire to Benton Asda on the 342 route provides a day eve and sun service as oppose to adding it to a 335 service
Alternatively create a ticketing ticket where it connects for free to a connecting bus and buses wait for each other similar to a transfare ticket
(11 May 2023, 7:24 pm)L469 YVK On another note, I knew this would happen with the 50's one way or another.
Arriva don't want to have to pull the resources to operate them not forgetting (with some movements) that Blyth & Ashington can effectively become decker operated with the 1, 2, 57, 57A using StreetLites from the 52/53/54.
(11 May 2023, 7:24 pm)L469 YVK On another note, I knew this would happen with the 50's one way or another.
Arriva don't want to have to pull the resources to operate them not forgetting (with some movements) that Blyth & Ashington can effectively become decker operated with the 1, 2, 57, 57A using StreetLites from the 52/53/54.
(11 May 2023, 8:13 pm)Unber43 im absolutely sick of the seeing 22 and Hadrian ParkWell it's a clearly valid argument.
(11 May 2023, 8:13 pm)Unber43 im absolutely sick of the seeing 22 and Hadrian ParkWell it's a clearly valid argument.
(11 May 2023, 8:13 pm)Unber43 im absolutely sick of the seeing 22 and Hadrian ParkBit like you and your 20 and 61 and 65?
(11 May 2023, 9:08 pm)L469 YVK Well it's a clearly valid argument.Could the Stagecoach 40 not be an option?
Why have an hourly 'oddball' micky mouse minibus going up the Coast Road amongst another 12 buses per hour, when a commercial service can easily pick up part of Wiltshire Drive - offering a better service in the process too rather than an hourly service like now.
(11 May 2023, 8:13 pm)Unber43 im absolutely sick of the seeing 22 and Hadrian ParkBit like you and your 20 and 61 and 65?
(11 May 2023, 9:08 pm)L469 YVK Well it's a clearly valid argument.Could the Stagecoach 40 not be an option?
Why have an hourly 'oddball' micky mouse minibus going up the Coast Road amongst another 12 buses per hour, when a commercial service can easily pick up part of Wiltshire Drive - offering a better service in the process too rather than an hourly service like now.
335 is actually a busy service with standing room only on occasions through Battlehill. It is a key commuter for Quoram and FLE although going through Longbenton estate could be chopped and go direct from FLE to Quorum would save time
East of Hadrian Park it serves estates and roads that no other services operate through
335 could possibly be on borderline a profitable service imo
Similar loadings to the 342
(11 May 2023, 11:51 pm)V514DFT Bit like you and your 20 and 61 and 65?
Could the Stagecoach 40 not be an option?
(11 May 2023, 11:51 pm)V514DFT Bit like you and your 20 and 61 and 65?
Could the Stagecoach 40 not be an option?
(11 May 2023, 11:55 pm)DaveFromUpNorth 335 is actually a busy service with standing room only on occasions through Battlehill. It is a key commuter for Quoram and FLE although going through Longbenton estate could be chopped and go direct from FLE to Quorum would save time
East of Hadrian Park it serves estates and roads that no other services operate through
335 could possibly be on borderline a profitable service imo
Similar loadings to the 342
(11 May 2023, 11:55 pm)DaveFromUpNorth 335 is actually a busy service with standing room only on occasions through Battlehill. It is a key commuter for Quoram and FLE although going through Longbenton estate could be chopped and go direct from FLE to Quorum would save time
East of Hadrian Park it serves estates and roads that no other services operate through
335 could possibly be on borderline a profitable service imo
Similar loadings to the 342
(12 May 2023, 8:54 am)Storx Aye I get what your saying but imo they could be better the 53/335 are too similar at the Eastern side and if both are subsidised then arguably it'd be better to merge it. Personally if I was trying to do something I'd try and do something like the below map:
Which is the following:
19 (Light Turquoise) - Every Hour, No Changes
19A (Dark Turquoise) - Every Hour, Replacement for sections of the 54 and 342 offering more fast Cobalt links.
51 (Red) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes
52 (Light Blue) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes
53 (Light Purple) - Every Hour, Merged with 335 at Eastern Side
53A (Dark Purple) - Every Hour, Partially Merged with 342 at Southern Side, restore all Wallsend to Cramlington links.
54 (Orange) - Every Hour, Partial replacement of 335/54. Offers new links from Howdon to Battle Hill, keeps the Gosforth to Killingworth links and offers links to Quorum from all the estates plus a bus service from Meadway to Newcastle albeit slow.
55 - Withdrawn, Meadway served by 54, rest has other services.
W2 - Withdrawn, 51 upped to every 30 minutes instead.
335 - Withdrawn, replaced by 53/54
342 - Withdrawn, replaced by 19A/53A
It imo offers much more than what's there now and keeps the core links between places. The only lost direct link is Killingworth to Whitley Bay but they can change onto the Metro. The 51 would also become much more attractive, the route has potential imo if it was actually pushed now the 54 duplicate from Shiremoor in both directions is removed.
(12 May 2023, 8:54 am)Storx Aye I get what your saying but imo they could be better the 53/335 are too similar at the Eastern side and if both are subsidised then arguably it'd be better to merge it. Personally if I was trying to do something I'd try and do something like the below map:
Which is the following:
19 (Light Turquoise) - Every Hour, No Changes
19A (Dark Turquoise) - Every Hour, Replacement for sections of the 54 and 342 offering more fast Cobalt links.
51 (Red) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes
52 (Light Blue) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes
53 (Light Purple) - Every Hour, Merged with 335 at Eastern Side
53A (Dark Purple) - Every Hour, Partially Merged with 342 at Southern Side, restore all Wallsend to Cramlington links.
54 (Orange) - Every Hour, Partial replacement of 335/54. Offers new links from Howdon to Battle Hill, keeps the Gosforth to Killingworth links and offers links to Quorum from all the estates plus a bus service from Meadway to Newcastle albeit slow.
55 - Withdrawn, Meadway served by 54, rest has other services.
W2 - Withdrawn, 51 upped to every 30 minutes instead.
335 - Withdrawn, replaced by 53/54
342 - Withdrawn, replaced by 19A/53A
It imo offers much more than what's there now and keeps the core links between places. The only lost direct link is Killingworth to Whitley Bay but they can change onto the Metro. The 51 would also become much more attractive, the route has potential imo if it was actually pushed now the 54 duplicate from Shiremoor in both directions is removed.
(12 May 2023, 9:11 am)omnicity4659 small detail but buses have to run via Newton Road (as per now) in High Heaton as Jesmond Park is inaccessible to large vehicles
So came up with a bit of a mad one last night
62 & 63 extension to Cramlington.
62 follows the 52 route after Killingworth & 63 follows the 53 route after Killingworth.
18 to follow the 55 route round Forest Hall
54 taken over by Stagecoach
51 taken over by Go North East
Saves time and simple. The 18 at Four Lane Ends provide ticket options. Could even extension the 18 into Killingworth for ticket opinion and links to the 54 & the 62/63 to Cramlington
Edit: could even do an every 30 minutes to Cramlington instead of every time. Obviously the 18 would need to be timed to match up with either a 62 or 63
(12 May 2023, 11:55 am)Unber43 Well I don't say it 4 times a dayStill mention it all the time
(12 May 2023, 12:39 pm)Busu284 So came up with a bit of a mad one last nightI'd renumber it 64 aswell, that way it matches up in more ways than 1, my concern about that idea is the 62, as 1 extends to Throckley every 30 mins, so would you use that one to extend to Cramlington so it would be a Throckley- Cramlington service every 30 minutes?, 62/63 arent great at the best of times in regards to being on time, its been said a few times on here that the 62/63 need another service to take some of the pressure off
62 & 63 extension to Cramlington.
62 follows the 52 route after Killingworth & 63 follows the 53 route after Killingworth.
18 to follow the 55 route round Forest Hall
54 taken over by Stagecoach
51 taken over by Go North East
Saves time and simple. The 18 at Four Lane Ends provide ticket options. Could even extension the 18 into Killingworth for ticket opinion and links to the 54 & the 62/63 to Cramlington
Edit: could even do an every 30 minutes to Cramlington instead of every time. Obviously the 18 would need to be timed to match up with either a 62 or 63
(12 May 2023, 11:55 am)Unber43 Well I don't say it 4 times a dayStill mention it all the time
(12 May 2023, 12:39 pm)Busu284 So came up with a bit of a mad one last nightI'd renumber it 64 aswell, that way it matches up in more ways than 1, my concern about that idea is the 62, as 1 extends to Throckley every 30 mins, so would you use that one to extend to Cramlington so it would be a Throckley- Cramlington service every 30 minutes?, 62/63 arent great at the best of times in regards to being on time, its been said a few times on here that the 62/63 need another service to take some of the pressure off
62 & 63 extension to Cramlington.
62 follows the 52 route after Killingworth & 63 follows the 53 route after Killingworth.
18 to follow the 55 route round Forest Hall
54 taken over by Stagecoach
51 taken over by Go North East
Saves time and simple. The 18 at Four Lane Ends provide ticket options. Could even extension the 18 into Killingworth for ticket opinion and links to the 54 & the 62/63 to Cramlington
Edit: could even do an every 30 minutes to Cramlington instead of every time. Obviously the 18 would need to be timed to match up with either a 62 or 63
(11 May 2023, 11:55 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Although we could always suggest to bring back the 311 to Harian Park and go via Wiltshire Drive to NewcastleThe current 308 & 309 setup is working well since 26/03. But arguably if (not that it doesn't) NT - Hospital to Blyth didn't warrant a bus every 10 minutes, you could do this without involving the 22 to sort out the Hadrian Park & Wiltshire Drive issue (replacing part of the 51)........
(11 May 2023, 11:55 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Although we could always suggest to bring back the 311 to Harian Park and go via Wiltshire Drive to NewcastleThe current 308 & 309 setup is working well since 26/03. But arguably if (not that it doesn't) NT - Hospital to Blyth didn't warrant a bus every 10 minutes, you could do this without involving the 22 to sort out the Hadrian Park & Wiltshire Drive issue (replacing part of the 51)........
(12 May 2023, 12:39 pm)Busu284 So came up with a bit of a mad one last night
62 & 63 extension to Cramlington.
62 follows the 52 route after Killingworth & 63 follows the 53 route after Killingworth.
18 to follow the 55 route round Forest Hall
54 taken over by Stagecoach
51 taken over by Go North East
Saves time and simple. The 18 at Four Lane Ends provide ticket options. Could even extension the 18 into Killingworth for ticket opinion and links to the 54 & the 62/63 to Cramlington
Edit: could even do an every 30 minutes to Cramlington instead of every time. Obviously the 18 would need to be timed to match up with either a 62 or 63
(12 May 2023, 12:39 pm)Busu284 So came up with a bit of a mad one last night
62 & 63 extension to Cramlington.
62 follows the 52 route after Killingworth & 63 follows the 53 route after Killingworth.
18 to follow the 55 route round Forest Hall
54 taken over by Stagecoach
51 taken over by Go North East
Saves time and simple. The 18 at Four Lane Ends provide ticket options. Could even extension the 18 into Killingworth for ticket opinion and links to the 54 & the 62/63 to Cramlington
Edit: could even do an every 30 minutes to Cramlington instead of every time. Obviously the 18 would need to be timed to match up with either a 62 or 63
(12 May 2023, 8:54 am)Storx Aye I get what your saying but imo they could be better the 53/335 are too similar at the Eastern side and if both are subsidised then arguably it'd be better to merge it. Personally if I was trying to do something I'd try and do something like the below map:Pretty robust set of suggestions here, only things I'd consider.......
Which is the following:
19 (Light Turquoise) - Every Hour, No Changes - Totally agree
19A (Dark Turquoise) - Every Hour, Replacement for sections of the 54 and 342 offering more fast Cobalt links. - Totally agree
51 (Red) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes - see further down
52 (Light Blue) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes - Totally agree
53 (Light Purple) - Every Hour, Merged with 335 at Eastern Side - Agree although see further down
53A (Dark Purple) - Every Hour, Partially Merged with 342 at Southern Side, restore all Wallsend to Cramlington links. - Totally agree
54 (Orange) - Every Hour, Partial replacement of 335/54. Offers new links from Howdon to Battle Hill, keeps the Gosforth to Killingworth links and offers links to Quorum from all the estates plus a bus service from Meadway to Newcastle albeit slow. - Totally agree with this one but see point about 51
55 - Withdrawn, Meadway served by 54, rest has other services.
W2 - Withdrawn, 51 upped to every 30 minutes instead.
335 - Withdrawn, replaced by 53/54
342 - Withdrawn, replaced by 19A/53A
It imo offers much more than what's there now and keeps the core links between places. The only lost direct link is Killingworth to Whitley Bay but they can change onto the Metro. The 51 would also become much more attractive, the route has potential imo if it was actually pushed now the 54 duplicate from Shiremoor in both directions is removed.
(12 May 2023, 8:54 am)Storx Aye I get what your saying but imo they could be better the 53/335 are too similar at the Eastern side and if both are subsidised then arguably it'd be better to merge it. Personally if I was trying to do something I'd try and do something like the below map:Pretty robust set of suggestions here, only things I'd consider.......
Which is the following:
19 (Light Turquoise) - Every Hour, No Changes - Totally agree
19A (Dark Turquoise) - Every Hour, Replacement for sections of the 54 and 342 offering more fast Cobalt links. - Totally agree
51 (Red) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes - see further down
52 (Light Blue) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes - Totally agree
53 (Light Purple) - Every Hour, Merged with 335 at Eastern Side - Agree although see further down
53A (Dark Purple) - Every Hour, Partially Merged with 342 at Southern Side, restore all Wallsend to Cramlington links. - Totally agree
54 (Orange) - Every Hour, Partial replacement of 335/54. Offers new links from Howdon to Battle Hill, keeps the Gosforth to Killingworth links and offers links to Quorum from all the estates plus a bus service from Meadway to Newcastle albeit slow. - Totally agree with this one but see point about 51
55 - Withdrawn, Meadway served by 54, rest has other services.
W2 - Withdrawn, 51 upped to every 30 minutes instead.
335 - Withdrawn, replaced by 53/54
342 - Withdrawn, replaced by 19A/53A
It imo offers much more than what's there now and keeps the core links between places. The only lost direct link is Killingworth to Whitley Bay but they can change onto the Metro. The 51 would also become much more attractive, the route has potential imo if it was actually pushed now the 54 duplicate from Shiremoor in both directions is removed.
(12 May 2023, 8:42 pm)L469 YVK Pretty robust set of suggestions here, only things I'd consider.......
51 (Red) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes54 (Orange) - Every Hour, Partial replacement of 335/54.
* Keep W2 as is
* 51 hourly to A191 New York Road from Whitley Bay, then via B1322 following existing 54 route and forming a combined frequency up to every 30 minutes with the new 54 on common sections
* 38 extended half-hourly from Freeman Hospital to Northumberland Park via Haddricks Mill, Benton Park Road, Whitley Road, East Benton Rise, Benton ASDA, Holystone, Holystone Park and West Allotment
* 22 split Cobalt & Silverlink / Hadrian Park every 20 minutes each
* 307 re-routed via Wiltshire Drive and omits Hadrian Park
53 (Light Purple) - Every Hour, Merged with 335 at Eastern Side
* Issue with this is lack of service from Billy Mill Lane and parts of Lynn Road to North Shields. A few sheltered accommodation blocks around those areas plus the 53, 442, 56, 356 have always been a hit with the 'twirlies' on this stretch.
* One option would be extension of both 57/57A to North Shields via evening route. - Most sensible
* Other option would be dropping the 317 to hourly and introducing a sister hourly 318 service which runs instead via Billy Mill Lane, Lynn Road, Queen Alexandra Road and then re-joining the 317 route at Hawkeys Lane. This however would significantly reduce service around Preston Grange and the 317 is a pretty stable route which is doing good, so would be better leaving alone.
(12 May 2023, 8:42 pm)L469 YVK Pretty robust set of suggestions here, only things I'd consider.......
51 (Red) - Every 30 Minutes, No Changes54 (Orange) - Every Hour, Partial replacement of 335/54.
* Keep W2 as is
* 51 hourly to A191 New York Road from Whitley Bay, then via B1322 following existing 54 route and forming a combined frequency up to every 30 minutes with the new 54 on common sections
* 38 extended half-hourly from Freeman Hospital to Northumberland Park via Haddricks Mill, Benton Park Road, Whitley Road, East Benton Rise, Benton ASDA, Holystone, Holystone Park and West Allotment
* 22 split Cobalt & Silverlink / Hadrian Park every 20 minutes each
* 307 re-routed via Wiltshire Drive and omits Hadrian Park
53 (Light Purple) - Every Hour, Merged with 335 at Eastern Side
* Issue with this is lack of service from Billy Mill Lane and parts of Lynn Road to North Shields. A few sheltered accommodation blocks around those areas plus the 53, 442, 56, 356 have always been a hit with the 'twirlies' on this stretch.
* One option would be extension of both 57/57A to North Shields via evening route. - Most sensible
* Other option would be dropping the 317 to hourly and introducing a sister hourly 318 service which runs instead via Billy Mill Lane, Lynn Road, Queen Alexandra Road and then re-joining the 317 route at Hawkeys Lane. This however would significantly reduce service around Preston Grange and the 317 is a pretty stable route which is doing good, so would be better leaving alone.
(12 May 2023, 9:29 pm)Storx Not too sure about the 51 idea as it would make it really really long and it's kinda why I was put off, I was thinking about it at first ngl but then thought this is going to be one of these services that serves everywhere but not really anywhere useful.Perfect idea for the 317 (and 318 if split?) and 53. Only slight change would be for the Malvern Road served section of the 317 / 318 to serve Morrisons?
The 38 extension maybe all the way through to Whitley Bay instead wouldn't be the worst idea though tbf, barely any time difference.
Fair points with the 53 mind, one idea possibly would be the switch everything around and split the 317 into two going the opposite way so you'd end up with something like this:
But like you said the 317 isn't doing too bad so not sure I'd want to meddle with it. It would open more links from Malvern Road West though and remove the horse shoe.
(12 May 2023, 9:29 pm)Storx Not too sure about the 51 idea as it would make it really really long and it's kinda why I was put off, I was thinking about it at first ngl but then thought this is going to be one of these services that serves everywhere but not really anywhere useful.Perfect idea for the 317 (and 318 if split?) and 53. Only slight change would be for the Malvern Road served section of the 317 / 318 to serve Morrisons?
The 38 extension maybe all the way through to Whitley Bay instead wouldn't be the worst idea though tbf, barely any time difference.
Fair points with the 53 mind, one idea possibly would be the switch everything around and split the 317 into two going the opposite way so you'd end up with something like this:
But like you said the 317 isn't doing too bad so not sure I'd want to meddle with it. It would open more links from Malvern Road West though and remove the horse shoe.
342 and 335 loadings are very close if not on a profitable or break even or if not may need 25% secured funding of the service
I did hear that stagecoach were sniffing for the 342 service on a commercial basis which would be in the best interest of the taxpayer however Nexus seemed to reject this last time round as it is a route of interest to adapt
However the 342 profitability wise would still need nexus support on an evening due to the numbers sadly not being there
I do think Nexus etc should introduce a new ticket specifically for Nexus Secured services. Similar to a transfer ticket ...
Say you get on a nexus secured service 19 or 335 342 (in current format) and link at key stops to transfer onto a service to get onto another bus
Intermodal agreement would be required but allows flexibility for nexus secured services to go around the world but allows passengers to get off and connect to a "quicker" "faster" journey
We have to remember nexus secured services need to be made attractive for commercial to take an interest in the area or route
