Seat under the stairs were standard on full height Enviro 400 with Straight staircases.

You can still get them with seats under the stairs, usually on the BYD / ADL Enviro 400EV City vehicles.

Anyway if you want unusual interior design try this - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9427509076

And going back to the 80s - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...2011343586

And with Nottingham City Transport own designs, they tried to fit seats in any direction possible.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0686527466
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0685775253
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...1458905276

Stagecoach even had seats on the turntable on some of their Bendy Coaches - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9487580631

In some European countries you had to contend with this...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0915201122 - Though this is one that came to the UK, the engine is under the raised seats on the left of the photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9025712898

I also travelled on a bus from Cyprus at the South Yorkshire Bus Musuem which had an interior with seats in the middle where the central aisle would be....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...880308320/

Alternatively you could go full standee....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...7558360795

(23 Jun 2023, 7:16 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Seat under the stairs were standard on full height Enviro 400 with Straight staircases.

You can still get them with seats under the stairs, usually on the BYD / ADL Enviro 400EV City vehicles.

Anyway if you want unusual interior design try this - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9427509076

And going back to the 80s - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...2011343586

And with Nottingham City Transport own designs, they tried to fit seats in any direction possible.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0686527466
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0685775253
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...1458905276

Stagecoach even had seats on the turntable on some of their Bendy Coaches - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9487580631

In some European countries you had to contend with this...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0915201122 - Though this is one that came to the UK, the engine is under the raised seats on the left of the photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9025712898

I also travelled on a bus from Cyprus at the South Yorkshire Bus Musuem which had an interior with seats in the middle where the central aisle would be....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...880308320/

Alternatively you could go full standee....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...7558360795

The Brylaine Falcons had an interesting layout. 

If I remember right, Jimmi had footage/photos of some too.

(23 Jun 2023, 7:31 pm)Andreos1 wrote The Brylaine Falcons had an interesting layout. 

If I remember right, Jimmi had footage/photos of some too.

Video of one of their examples: https://youtu.be/rV4XaeBTFoU

IIRC it was 2+2 plastic seating on the lower level, then a more bulky fabric affair in a 2+3 layout.

A pic from an example belonging to Bains Coaches (can't remember the layout of seats on this one especially as it was during COVID and the rear of the bus was restricted to school/college students.


The school spec BMC Condors that were used on scholars in West Yorkshire are certainly an odd experience as a passenger: https://flic.kr/p/2kRS4oh

The Versas Borders Buses and PCL Travel got for Wooler contracts had a slightly odd layout too.

Arriva North East's Temsa Avenue's are certainly up there too, for this country at least.

(23 Jun 2023, 8:00 pm)Jimmi wrote Video of one of their examples: https://youtu.be/rV4XaeBTFoU

IIRC it was 2+2 plastic seating on the lower level, then a more bulky fabric affair in a 2+3 layout. 

A pic from an example belonging to Bains Coaches (can't remember the layout of seats on this one especially as it was during COVID and the rear of the bus was restricted to school/college students.


The school spec BMC Condors that were used on scholars in West Yorkshire are certainly an odd experience as a passenger: https://flic.kr/p/2kRS4oh

The Versas Borders Buses and PCL Travel got for Wooler contracts had a slightly odd layout too.

Arriva North East's Temsa Avenue's are certainly up there too, for this country at least.

That's ringing bells. 

That picture of the Condor is very similar to the Brylaine examples. Just has a consistent pattern/moquette.

(23 Jun 2023, 8:06 pm)Andreos1 wrote That's ringing bells. 

That picture of the Condor is very similar to the Brylaine examples. Just has a consistent pattern/moquette.

I think the layout varied slightly on theirs from one example to another going off what someone was telling me at time, was the only one I rode with them and that Bains example was I think the other other one I've been on (that afternoon with Bains when they still went into Aberdeen was interesting, went from a BMC Falcon: https://flic.kr/p/2jJRWuG - to a King Long: https://flic.kr/p/2jJVwzn - to a Merc Breadvan... thing?!: https://flic.kr/p/2jJVw3q)

I remember travelling on that King Long from Aberdeen to Dyce, I was much bemused by them using 2 window panes to replace 1 window. Oddly their coach fleet is in much better condition, seems the bus stuff was an afterthought.

The 2+2 seating in the front of the vehicle and 3+2 towards the rear used to be quite common on mid engined single deckers until the mid 90s.

Preserved Dennis Javelin F135SPX shows an example of it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...2930558611

(23 Jun 2023, 8:12 pm)Jimmi wrote I think the layout varied slightly on theirs from one example to another going off what someone was telling me at time, was the only one I rode with them and that Bains example was I think the other other one I've been on (that afternoon with Bains when they still went into Aberdeen was interesting, went from a BMC Falcon: https://flic.kr/p/2jJRWuG - to a King Long: https://flic.kr/p/2jJVwzn - to a Merc Breadvan... thing?!: https://flic.kr/p/2jJVw3q)

Yeah, there were some slight differences between their fleet.
Perks of acquiring second hand stuff. 

Rode them quite often (including the Solo's) over a period and wish I'd made more of a note of the differences at the time. 
Don't think I ever got to ride any of their deckers unfortunately.

I always remember one of the fleet losing 20mins or so between Lincoln and Coningsby. Despite there being no diversions, roadworks or traffic.
Clearly underpowered or knackered.

There may be something in the bus outings thread or East Mids section of the forum that I posted at the time.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...2011343586 you could actually still sit like this with ANE in their Vykings that they had at Durham

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0686527466 that was on the first olypians e.g 3926

(23 Jun 2023, 7:16 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Seat under the stairs were standard on full height Enviro 400 with Straight staircases.

You can still get them with seats under the stairs, usually on the BYD / ADL Enviro 400EV City vehicles.

Anyway if you want unusual interior design try this - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9427509076

And going back to the 80s - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...2011343586

And with Nottingham City Transport own designs, they tried to fit seats in any direction possible.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0686527466
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0685775253
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...1458905276

Stagecoach even had seats on the turntable on some of their Bendy Coaches - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9487580631

In some European countries you had to contend with this...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0915201122 - Though this is one that came to the UK, the engine is under the raised seats on the left of the photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9025712898

I also travelled on a bus from Cyprus at the South Yorkshire Bus Musuem which had an interior with seats in the middle where the central aisle would be....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...880308320/

Alternatively you could go full standee....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...7558360795

Never realised that the seat under the stairs was standard, always thought it was an extra, learnt something new today.

Mind there's some nasty layouts there, especially the Nottingham DD's, the sidewards seats at the top upstairs would be unpleasant as if it suddenly breaked and you weren't paying attention you could easily end up into the window.

Mind some of them remind me of the ex. Arriva London Txxx FGN ALX 400's which had the stairs in the middle aligned to the back door and longtunial seating downstairs. Absolutely hopeless for pensioners when they ended up here. Glad they scrapped that idea down there.

Some reading buses i think E400MMC have side seats upstairs

did some of the nothere double deckers mcw?? from around 1980 had a single seat with back to window if i remember rightly

(24 Jun 2023, 1:26 pm)Rob44 wrote did some of the nothere double deckers mcw?? from around 1980 had a single seat with back to window if i remember rightly

I'm not sure about MCW, but I remember the Bristol VRs having 3 single seats on the upstairs front near side and a treble front seat on the off side in  front of the stairwell

6177,78,79,81 appear to be working from Deptford today

(24 Jun 2023, 1:26 pm)Rob44 wrote did some of the nothere double deckers mcw?? from around 1980 had a single seat with back to window if i remember rightly

Some of the early mk2's had a single seat upstairs, behind the stairs.

(24 Jun 2023, 4:19 pm)Retro Nero wrote I'm not sure about MCW, but I remember the Bristol VRs having 3 single seats on the upstairs front near side and a treble front seat on the off side in  front of the stairwell

Yeh remember always a rush for the single seat on its own at front

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(24 Jun 2023, 5:34 pm)Andreos1 wrote Some of the early mk2's had a single seat upstairs, behind the stairs.

yep thats where it was.

Single Side Seat Upstairs on MCW Metrobus Mk2 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...8150435521

Also found on the Arriva Lowlanders - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...2856913276

Wilts and Dorset had them on their High Floor Spectras - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...8245445433
The Spectras GNE operated also had a side seat upstairs, but was positioned between the front pair of seats on the offside and the staircase, I believe this was due to the design of the seat used on them.

(24 Jun 2023, 8:08 am)Unber43 wrote https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...2011343586 you could actually still sit like this with ANE in their Vykings that they had at Durham

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0686527466 that was on the first olypians e.g 3926

I know you can sit backwards and sideways on various vehicles, but I'm on about the whole interior layout in general is messy. Also Arriva had Lowlanders (DAF Chassis), not Vykings (Volvo Chassis).

(24 Jun 2023, 6:11 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Also found on the Arriva Lowlanders - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...2856913276

I knew something had them on that I used to use, couldn't think what it was but that's the answer. Used to like that as it was a foot rest for the Urban 90's which made them slightly more bearable.

Least they had the nice Voice retarder that used to have a nice sound - much nicer than the equivilant Enviro's nowadays similar with the Commanders. It's a shame we didn't get more of both.

I've always found the 1-2 seating configuration towards the front of Arriva Pulsars 1513-1523 to be rather unusual. I think the HW07 Citaros that GNE used to have had a similar seating configuration.

Same with the side facing seats over the rear wheel arches that Arriva's ex-London DAF ALX400s had (as well as the Y-reg Lowlanders to a lesser extent).

(24 Jun 2023, 9:41 pm)wibblejunior wrote I've always found the 1-2 seating configuration towards the front of Arriva Pulsars 1513-1523 to be rather unusual. I think the HW07 Citaros that GNE used to have had a similar seating configuration.

Same with the side facing seats over the rear wheel arches that Arriva's ex-London DAF ALX400s had (as well as the Y-reg Lowlanders to a lesser extent).

The stairs being in the middle were the bigger problem, design flaw imo as it meant boarding was horribly long. Was a problem in London aswell since everyone boards the bus at the front. It was scrapped in the next batch of them and it gave a right weird layout. They only seated 17 people downstairs in their original layout because of it and were dark imo.

Believe the earliest version of GoAhead's Presidents were the same which got scrapped pretty fast aswell.

Tell you what did have nasty seats, Arrivas Darts, was it 1751 onwards, they had really thin horrible uncomortable seats, used to dread them turning up on the then 343/344, 350/351, M55

(25 Jun 2023, 12:47 am)V514DFT wrote Tell you what did have nasty seats, Arrivas Darts, was it 1751 onwards, they had really thin horrible uncomortable seats, used to dread them turning up on the then 343/344, 350/351, M55

Didn't the Darts just have Civic V3's like everything else bar 1799 which had Urban 90's. The ones beforehand having old bench seating - they must've been some of the last buses in the country to get them aswell as they were pretty much out then.

Edit: Just checked and it appears the W Reg ones, 1751 - 1757 had them aswell, foul seats. They weren't based at Blyth so never got them so be how I missed them.

(25 Jun 2023, 12:24 pm)Storx wrote Didn't the Darts just have Civic V3's like everything else bar 1799 which had Urban 90's. The ones beforehand having old bench seating - they must've been some of the last buses in the country to get them aswell as they were pretty much out then.

Edit: Just checked and it appears the W Reg ones, 1751 - 1757 had them aswell, foul seats. They weren't based at Blyth so never got them so be how I missed them.

Im not too sure tbh, i just know they had thin ironingboard seats, nasty things they were

(25 Jun 2023, 1:23 pm)V514DFT wrote Im not too sure tbh, i just know they had thin ironingboard seats, nasty things they were

https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/5716410208 - These things? Horrid things, don't know why anyone would order them anywhere but that's what some darts had.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MOVYEYFn5Vc/TQ...CF0754.JPG - The Ciclo's are just as bad, they're used on the back of DB300's at Blyth downstairs and above the wheel arch. Might aswell be sitting on plastic.

(25 Jun 2023, 3:16 pm)Storx wrote https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/5716410208 - These things? Horrid things, don't know why anyone would order them anywhere but that's what some darts had.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MOVYEYFn5Vc/TQ...CF0754.JPG - The Ciclo's are just as bad, they're used on the back of DB300's at Blyth downstairs and above the wheel arch. Might aswell be sitting on plastic.

Yes, those things, absolutely detested them

(25 Jun 2023, 3:16 pm)Storx wrote https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/5716410208 - These things? Horrid things, don't know why anyone would order them anywhere but that's what some darts had.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MOVYEYFn5Vc/TQ...CF0754.JPG - The Ciclo's are just as bad, they're used on the back of DB300's at Blyth downstairs and above the wheel arch. Might aswell be sitting on plastic.

I'm pretty sure these are the same seats that 1320-8 have as well.

(25 Jun 2023, 8:13 pm)wibblejunior wrote I'm pretty sure these are the same seats that 1320-8 have as well.

I haven't been on them but yeah they are I believe. Everything in London got them around 2009/10 until they changed their mind as people were moaning. They're vandal proof supposedly, but I guess if you have nothing to burn they always will be.

(25 Jun 2023, 8:13 pm)wibblejunior wrote I'm pretty sure these are the same seats that 1320-8 have as well.

Shouldn't this be on the Arriva page?

Former GNE 6334 is now at GNW and has had itself another refurbishment ready for the BEE Network. 

(Photo on Flickr cw_135)


https://flickr.com/photos/191911766@N04/...Xb-2izmsBf

(27 Jun 2023, 1:57 pm)Arcticrossy92 wrote Former GNE 6334 is now at GNW and has had itself another refurbishment ready for the BEE Network. 

(Photo on Flickr cw_135)


https://flickr.com/photos/191911766@N04/...Xb-2izmsBf

Wonder how much public money is going to be wasted repainting and refurbing all these buses?

(27 Jun 2023, 3:03 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Wonder how much public money is going to be wasted repainting and refurbing all these buses?

Why is it a waste of public money?

The repainting and refurbishment is a requirement of the BEE network contract, contract conditions set by a public body and the Mayor.