Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(06 Jul 2023, 11:42 am)Iamtheone8483748 Are they not?
(06 Jul 2023, 10:57 am)Storx There's way too much transport between Blyth / Whitley Bay and Newcastle via Seaton Sluice.308 is still popular because at least it is a direct route unlike the tedious 309 and 306. certainly Marden, Preston Grange, New York the Metro is of little or no use. It needs an express bus along the Coast Rd. to tempt people out of their cars like the 44 used to.
There's absolutely no need for 6 buses and 12 metro trains an hour between Whitley Bay and Newcastle. It doesn't need more along there, the 308 just isn't needed imo - it's just a legacy route from yesteryear before Cobalt was built. That was more about making the 306 actually useful (same again way too much transport between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay, 6 buses and 6 Metro's doing the same area give or take).
That was about linking more areas and creating better links to the local area but creating a loop, ie. Marden to NT Hospital for example.
The diagram below probably shows it better (Red: 80/80A, Blue: 81/82, Green: 83/84, Pink: 57/57A), (Thick Line: Every 15 Minutes, Thin Line: Every 30 Minutes).
(06 Jul 2023, 10:57 am)Storx There's way too much transport between Blyth / Whitley Bay and Newcastle via Seaton Sluice.308 is still popular because at least it is a direct route unlike the tedious 309 and 306. certainly Marden, Preston Grange, New York the Metro is of little or no use. It needs an express bus along the Coast Rd. to tempt people out of their cars like the 44 used to.
There's absolutely no need for 6 buses and 12 metro trains an hour between Whitley Bay and Newcastle. It doesn't need more along there, the 308 just isn't needed imo - it's just a legacy route from yesteryear before Cobalt was built. That was more about making the 306 actually useful (same again way too much transport between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay, 6 buses and 6 Metro's doing the same area give or take).
That was about linking more areas and creating better links to the local area but creating a loop, ie. Marden to NT Hospital for example.
The diagram below probably shows it better (Red: 80/80A, Blue: 81/82, Green: 83/84, Pink: 57/57A), (Thick Line: Every 15 Minutes, Thin Line: Every 30 Minutes).
(06 Jul 2023, 11:56 am)Drifter60 There’s a few examples like the 1, whereby really the cross city link is often just the best way to operate it. Things like the 20 and 2/2A are two separate services just merged together, that’s not say cross city links aren’t used though. But I’m the 2/2A case if you wanted to go Silksworth to Royal Hospital you’d probably save time using the 33 or Stagecoach. And clearly the 20 is operational reasons as otherwise Durham and Langley Park is miles from the nearest GNE depot.
The X21 is a bit like that also, despite what is sometimes spoke about on this forum is there many people really going from Bishop Auckland to Newcastle?! It exists a through route for two reasons, 1) there’s not depot in Durham so makes operational sense to tack it on the end of something else 2) Bonus, of the cross Durham links to the Arnison Centre & Hospital.
The 50 is another route which sorts of two stretches Washington to South Shields and then Washington to Durham. But if someone did want to go Durham to South Shields the 50 would probably the best way, but I don’t think it’s a common travel link?
And The 4 is the closest to what you say, there wouldn’t be much reason of anyone using it from Houghton to Washington point to point as the X1 does it quicker. If you were going Houghton to Heworth, you’d be best going X1 to Galleries then the 4, that what I used to do.
(06 Jul 2023, 1:03 pm)ian foster 308 is still popular because at least it is a direct route unlike the tedious 309 and 306. certainly Marden, Preston Grange, New York the Metro is of little or no use. It needs an express bus along the Coast Rd. to tempt people out of their cars like the 44 used to.
(06 Jul 2023, 11:56 am)Drifter60 There’s a few examples like the 1, whereby really the cross city link is often just the best way to operate it. Things like the 20 and 2/2A are two separate services just merged together, that’s not say cross city links aren’t used though. But I’m the 2/2A case if you wanted to go Silksworth to Royal Hospital you’d probably save time using the 33 or Stagecoach. And clearly the 20 is operational reasons as otherwise Durham and Langley Park is miles from the nearest GNE depot.
The X21 is a bit like that also, despite what is sometimes spoke about on this forum is there many people really going from Bishop Auckland to Newcastle?! It exists a through route for two reasons, 1) there’s not depot in Durham so makes operational sense to tack it on the end of something else 2) Bonus, of the cross Durham links to the Arnison Centre & Hospital.
The 50 is another route which sorts of two stretches Washington to South Shields and then Washington to Durham. But if someone did want to go Durham to South Shields the 50 would probably the best way, but I don’t think it’s a common travel link?
And The 4 is the closest to what you say, there wouldn’t be much reason of anyone using it from Houghton to Washington point to point as the X1 does it quicker. If you were going Houghton to Heworth, you’d be best going X1 to Galleries then the 4, that what I used to do.
(06 Jul 2023, 1:03 pm)ian foster 308 is still popular because at least it is a direct route unlike the tedious 309 and 306. certainly Marden, Preston Grange, New York the Metro is of little or no use. It needs an express bus along the Coast Rd. to tempt people out of their cars like the 44 used to.
New Express Versions of GNE Services.
4X: Would be limited stop (Heworth - Shiney Row) then all stops to Houghton-Le-Spring.
10X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Prudhoe) then all stops to Hexham.
16X: Would be limited stop on full route.
27X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Jarrow), then all stops to South Shields.
39X: Same as normal 39, then Non Stop from Doxford Int to Washington.
49X: Would be limited stop (Gateshead - Blaydon), then all stops to Winlaton.
50X: Would be Fast Boldon - Washington (via A19/A1231), Ayton - CLS (via A1) and would skip Waldridge Park & Arnison Centre.
57X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Beacon Lough), then all stops to Wardley or maybe skip Fewster Square.
60X Would be limited stop (Sunderland - Seaham), then all stops to Parkside.
65X: Would be limited stop (Durham - Hetton), then all stops to Seaham.
78X: Would be limited stop on full route.
(06 Aug 2023, 4:27 pm)ASX_Terranova New Express Versions of GNE Services.The only ones which would make money are
4X: Would be limited stop (Heworth - Shiney Row) then all stops to Houghton-Le-Spring.
10X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Prudhoe) then all stops to Hexham.
16X: Would be limited stop on full route.
27X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Jarrow), then all stops to South Shields.
39X: Same as normal 39, then Non Stop from Doxford Int to Washington.
49X: Would be limited stop (Gateshead - Blaydon), then all stops to Winlaton.
50X: Would be Fast Boldon - Washington (via A19/A1231), Ayton - CLS (via A1) and would skip Waldridge Park & Arnison Centre.
57X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Beacon Lough), then all stops to Wardley or maybe skip Fewster Square.
60X Would be limited stop (Sunderland - Seaham), then all stops to Parkside.
65X: Would be limited stop (Durham - Hetton), then all stops to Seaham.
78X: Would be limited stop on full route.
(06 Aug 2023, 4:27 pm)ASX_Terranova New Express Versions of GNE Services.The only ones which would make money are
4X: Would be limited stop (Heworth - Shiney Row) then all stops to Houghton-Le-Spring.
10X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Prudhoe) then all stops to Hexham.
16X: Would be limited stop on full route.
27X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Jarrow), then all stops to South Shields.
39X: Same as normal 39, then Non Stop from Doxford Int to Washington.
49X: Would be limited stop (Gateshead - Blaydon), then all stops to Winlaton.
50X: Would be Fast Boldon - Washington (via A19/A1231), Ayton - CLS (via A1) and would skip Waldridge Park & Arnison Centre.
57X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Beacon Lough), then all stops to Wardley or maybe skip Fewster Square.
60X Would be limited stop (Sunderland - Seaham), then all stops to Parkside.
65X: Would be limited stop (Durham - Hetton), then all stops to Seaham.
78X: Would be limited stop on full route.
(06 Aug 2023, 6:48 pm)Unber43 The only ones which would make money are
4X/10X/ possibly 27X/ 50X/ 78X
the 16x would bleed money same with the 39, 57, 65, 60 (which is basically the X6)
(06 Aug 2023, 6:48 pm)Unber43 The only ones which would make money are
4X/10X/ possibly 27X/ 50X/ 78X
the 16x would bleed money same with the 39, 57, 65, 60 (which is basically the X6)
I'm going to open this suggestion to the floor.
I want to create a network of routes covering Most of Washington, Houghton, Hetton, Chester-Le-Street, East Gateshead, South Tyneside & Newcastle City Centre.
There are several rules.
I was looking in the Bygone Era, but I can't find any examples of express buses on the 25 or 52 routes from Wrekenton to Gateshead.
I was thinking half hourly from Newcastle to Eighton Banks running express from Newcastle to Wrekenton via Gateshead & Low Fell.
From wrekenton, one bus a hour would replace the tb22/tb23 but additionally operate via donwell bus link.
The other bus would operate to portmeads, portobello, the drive, ayton, lambton and the galleries running in the other half hour to the 82.
If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead.
(27 Aug 2023, 8:57 pm)ASX_Terranova If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead.Well it wouldn't go down well with some drivers of the 56 as during peak times a 57 being in front of you can help with loadings up towards sheriff hill and the Q.E especially on match days or if there's an event on in Newcastle the X1 is already an Express between Gateshead and Q.E why do we need another one?
(27 Aug 2023, 8:57 pm)ASX_Terranova If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead.Well it wouldn't go down well with some drivers of the 56 as during peak times a 57 being in front of you can help with loadings up towards sheriff hill and the Q.E especially on match days or if there's an event on in Newcastle the X1 is already an Express between Gateshead and Q.E why do we need another one?
(27 Aug 2023, 9:06 pm)Theboyle92 Well it wouldn't go down well with some drivers of the 56 as during peak times a 57 being in front of you can help with loadings up towards sheriff hill and the Q.E especially on match days or if there's an event on in Newcastle the X1 is already an Express between Gateshead and Q.E why do we need another one?
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(27 Aug 2023, 9:06 pm)Theboyle92 Well it wouldn't go down well with some drivers of the 56 as during peak times a 57 being in front of you can help with loadings up towards sheriff hill and the Q.E especially on match days or if there's an event on in Newcastle the X1 is already an Express between Gateshead and Q.E why do we need another one?
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(27 Aug 2023, 8:57 pm)ASX_Terranova If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead.
(27 Aug 2023, 8:57 pm)ASX_Terranova If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead.
(27 Aug 2023, 10:58 pm)ASX_Terranova Its not about Gateshead-Q.E its about faster journeys for people living in Beacon Lough, Felling Square & Leam Lane. This would also include journeys that would be non-stop from Gateshead to Felling Square.I agree with you on that front but what about the people who have been sat on the 56 since hylton castle or sulgrave they too need a faster service into Gateshead and Newcastle, and with the unreliability of the 57 at the moment thats not happening as it will constantly be stopping at every stop from beacon lough into Gateshead to pick up pax who have been waiting for a 57 that is more than likey 15-20 late or cancelled, the entire Gateshead corridors need to be looked at very closely and passenger loading also need to be looked at with what can miss out what estate etc to save time, for me i would have the 56 run limited stop from Wrekenton and increase the 57 to every 15 min in a loop , and personally i would have it after serving Heworth towards Newcastle have it run along either sunderland Rd or Split Crow Rd improving times from Wardley into Gateshead and have the 57A run the opposite direction towards Beacon Lough/Q.E guaranteeing a bus heading towards Gateshead/Newcastle every 7/8 minutes in some areas.
The attachments are ironically from a GNE competitor point of view but I think their a good enough example.
(27 Aug 2023, 10:58 pm)ASX_Terranova Its not about Gateshead-Q.E its about faster journeys for people living in Beacon Lough, Felling Square & Leam Lane. This would also include journeys that would be non-stop from Gateshead to Felling Square.I agree with you on that front but what about the people who have been sat on the 56 since hylton castle or sulgrave they too need a faster service into Gateshead and Newcastle, and with the unreliability of the 57 at the moment thats not happening as it will constantly be stopping at every stop from beacon lough into Gateshead to pick up pax who have been waiting for a 57 that is more than likey 15-20 late or cancelled, the entire Gateshead corridors need to be looked at very closely and passenger loading also need to be looked at with what can miss out what estate etc to save time, for me i would have the 56 run limited stop from Wrekenton and increase the 57 to every 15 min in a loop , and personally i would have it after serving Heworth towards Newcastle have it run along either sunderland Rd or Split Crow Rd improving times from Wardley into Gateshead and have the 57A run the opposite direction towards Beacon Lough/Q.E guaranteeing a bus heading towards Gateshead/Newcastle every 7/8 minutes in some areas.
The attachments are ironically from a GNE competitor point of view but I think their a good enough example.
(27 Aug 2023, 11:40 pm)Theboyle92 I agree with you on that front but what about the people who have been sat on the 56 since hylton castle or sulgrave they too need a faster service into Gateshead and Newcastle, and with the unreliability of the 57 at the moment thats not happening as it will constantly be stopping at every stop from beacon lough into Gateshead to pick up pax who have been waiting for a 57 that is more than likey 15-20 late or cancelled, the entire Gateshead corridors need to be looked at very closely and passenger loading also need to be looked at with what can miss out what estate etc to save time, for me i would have the 56 run limited stop from Wrekenton and increase the 57 to every 15 min in a loop , and personally i would have it after serving Heworth towards Newcastle have it run along either sunderland Rd or Split Crow Rd improving times from Wardley into Gateshead and have the 57A run the opposite direction towards Beacon Lough/Q.E guaranteeing a bus heading towards Gateshead/Newcastle every 7/8 minutes in some areas.
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(27 Aug 2023, 11:40 pm)Theboyle92 I agree with you on that front but what about the people who have been sat on the 56 since hylton castle or sulgrave they too need a faster service into Gateshead and Newcastle, and with the unreliability of the 57 at the moment thats not happening as it will constantly be stopping at every stop from beacon lough into Gateshead to pick up pax who have been waiting for a 57 that is more than likey 15-20 late or cancelled, the entire Gateshead corridors need to be looked at very closely and passenger loading also need to be looked at with what can miss out what estate etc to save time, for me i would have the 56 run limited stop from Wrekenton and increase the 57 to every 15 min in a loop , and personally i would have it after serving Heworth towards Newcastle have it run along either sunderland Rd or Split Crow Rd improving times from Wardley into Gateshead and have the 57A run the opposite direction towards Beacon Lough/Q.E guaranteeing a bus heading towards Gateshead/Newcastle every 7/8 minutes in some areas.
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(28 Aug 2023, 7:27 am)Storx Not sure Wardley need a quicker service, if they're going to Newcastle they're likely using the Metro at Pelaw already. It's likely the reason it's down to 2 BPH in the first place.
(28 Aug 2023, 7:27 am)Storx Not sure Wardley need a quicker service, if they're going to Newcastle they're likely using the Metro at Pelaw already. It's likely the reason it's down to 2 BPH in the first place.
(28 Aug 2023, 10:12 am)ASX_Terranova The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth.
EDIT: I missed some comments so have amended my post.
(28 Aug 2023, 10:12 am)ASX_Terranova The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth.
EDIT: I missed some comments so have amended my post.
(28 Aug 2023, 10:12 am)ASX_Terranova The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth.
Also, to answer an earlier comment, would it be worth it to introduce short 56's as far as Wrekenton or Springwell Estate.
(28 Aug 2023, 10:12 am)ASX_Terranova The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth.
Also, to answer an earlier comment, would it be worth it to introduce short 56's as far as Wrekenton or Springwell Estate.
Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening.
(28 Aug 2023, 1:56 pm)deanmachine Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening.So true.
(28 Aug 2023, 1:56 pm)deanmachine Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening.So true.
