(11 Feb 2014, 5:14 pm)Dan wrote - X66
Vehicles withdrawn

- Lime
4850-55 withdrawn, 4896-4902 cascaded to replace older B10BLEs

- Crusader
14x Citaros available for cascade - perhaps 9 to Stanley for "Red Kite", and the remaining 5 to Stanley for X30/X31, with a number of doors open for the cascades (one of which being the "Centurion")?

- Laser
12x Citaros available for cascade - perhaps all 12 to remain at Deptford for use on "Prince Bishops" service 20, in turn allowing the currently allocated Solars to replace B10BLEs in the fleet?

- Toon Link
4841 and 5144-50 withdrawn, 4978-82 perhaps to take a "spare role" in the fleet to replace older spare vehicles. "South Tyne" 5 comes to mind with this one too.

- Fab57
Vehicles withdrawn

Shocked to see fab57 getting investment straight away but yeah this sounds about right, same I said in the other thread. 4 Solars from Prince Bishops' over to Pulse possibly? Could we see 64/95/96 get some too under a new brand?

(11 Feb 2014, 5:25 pm)CatsFast101 wrote Shocked to see fab57 getting investment straight away but yeah this sounds about right, same I said in the other thread. 4 Solars from Prince Bishops' over to Pulse possibly? Could we see 64/95/96 get some too under a new brand?

Pulse - Possibly - not sure on numbers though, not from the area - with spare solar's - seem's likely.

64/64A/95/96 - might rejoin the Highwayman? - Whats their PVR?

(11 Feb 2014, 5:25 pm)CatsFast101 wrote Shocked to see fab57 getting investment straight away but yeah this sounds about right, same I said in the other thread. 4 Solars from Prince Bishops' over to Pulse possibly? Could we see 64/95/96 get some too under a new brand?

Has certainly been suggested for a good two months or so now - and not by me this time!
http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showth...hp?tid=784&pid=22211#pid22211

Well... Do you think the Pulse is gonna go red in a few weeks' time? If so, I see no problem with that suggestion.

As for the 64/95/96, I doubt it - not yet.

(11 Feb 2014, 5:25 pm)CatsFast101 wrote Shocked to see fab57 getting investment straight away but yeah this sounds about right, same I said in the other thread. 4 Solars from Prince Bishops' over to Pulse possibly? Could we see 64/95/96 get some too under a new brand?

4969/5211/5212/5213 to the ''Pulse'' services, which leaves 5214/5215/5216/5217 to go somewhere. Possibly the X70/X71?

(11 Feb 2014, 5:30 pm)Dan wrote Has certainly been suggested for a good two months or so now - and not by me this time!
http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showth...hp?tid=784&pid=22211#pid22211

Well... Do you think the Pulse is gonna go red in a few weeks' time? If so, I see no problem with that suggestion.

As for the 64/95/96, I doubt it - not yet.

It seems daft that all the B10's from 17/17/67/69/69A will go Northern when their inline to be withdrawn this year -.-

Even though Dan said - a good tidy up might increase value, i still think its daft their wasting money when they won't even get much for them

(11 Feb 2014, 5:34 pm)Michael wrote It seems daft that all the B10's from 17/17/67/69/69A will go Northern when their inline to be withdrawn this year -.-

Even though Dan said - a good tidy up might increase value, i still think its daft their wasting money when they won't even get much for them

Gotta think - those B10BLEs have had a bit of work done to them! They're Euro 4, after all. Interiors aren't too shabby at present, but if they're given a thorough clean regardless...

If they're in a more appropriate red (rather than a tired old yellow which hasn't been repainted for a good while), operators who are less likely to be able to afford £1.5k or so for a repaint, may be more tempted to buy them.

(11 Feb 2014, 5:23 pm)Michael wrote Would be nice to see purple citaro's with black at the top!

Ask and you shall receive

(11 Feb 2014, 5:40 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Ask and you shall receive

Yes, that's perfect, it suits the citaro really well

(11 Feb 2014, 5:40 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Ask and you shall receive

We should hope that the current livery will be retained on the Mercs - should the PB receive them!

If GNE think it's another Crusader, it's entirely possible we'll have a cheap in-house design unfortunately.

This could possibly happen if the Crusader did receive investment.

Crusader Citaros:
5310-14 - Stanley for services X30 and X31.
5315-19/5328-29/30/32 to Stanley for the Red Kite Services.

Laser Citaros:
5298-5309 - Deptford for Prince Bishops.
Solars would displace Renowns.

Red Kite Omnicities:
5234-42 - Percy Main for Centurion along with 5250 which could be a branded spare.

Prince Bishops Solars:
4989-92 - Riverside for the Pulse.
4969/5211-13 - Riverside for the X40.
5214-16 - Chester-le-Street for the 71, branded as the ''Lambton Worm''. 5216 would be a spare for both the 71 and 34/34A.
5217 - Riverside for the Soccerbus.

(11 Feb 2014, 5:38 pm)Dan wrote Gotta think - those B10BLEs have had a bit of work done to them! They're Euro 4, after all. Interiors aren't too shabby at present, but if they're given a thorough clean regardless...

If they're in a more appropriate red (rather than a tired old yellow which hasn't been repainted for a good while), operators who are less likely to be able to afford £1.5k or so for a repaint, may be more tempted to buy them.

Saying their euro 4 - then i agree - i didn't know that, as for being red, ye saves getting rid of the shabby yellow



Tom- theirs also 4989-4992 - which is still the wrong colour for the Prince Bishops on the fleet allocation

I would say

67/69/69A - 4969,4989,4890,4891,4892
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Then theirs

5211,5212,5213,5214,5215,5216,5217 - Removes more B10's from frontline service.

(11 Feb 2014, 5:43 pm)Dan wrote We should hope that the current livery will be retained on the Mercs - should the PB receive them!

If GNE think it's another Crusader, it's entirely possible we'll have a cheap in-house design unfortunately.

The current Prince Bishops doesn't look cheap, i really hope its not going to be Crusader job and be rubbish - if of course they receive them

(11 Feb 2014, 5:43 pm)Dan wrote We should hope that the current livery will be retained on the Mercs - should the PB receive them!

If GNE think it's another Crusader, it's entirely possible we'll have a cheap in-house design unfortunately.

I think the Prince Bishops livery is very good so if it's a new cheap one on the Citaros I'd be disappointed slightly.

(11 Feb 2014, 5:46 pm)Michael wrote Saying their euro 4 - then i agree - i didn't know that, as for being red, ye saves getting rid of the shabby yellow



Tom- theirs also 4989-4992 - which is still the wrong colour for the Prince Bishops on the fleet allocation

I would say

67/69/69A - 4969,4989,4890,4891,4892
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Then theirs

5211,5212,5213,5214,5215,5216,5217 - Removes more B10's from frontline service.

Yes, I know. PVR for the Pulse is only 4.
4989-92 - Riverside for the Pulse. (Replacing 5160/1/2/3)
4969/5211-13 - Riverside for the X40. (Replacing the tired Artics).
5214-16 - Chester-le-Street for the 71, branded as the ''Lambton Worm''. 5216 would be a spare for both the 71 and 34/34A. (Replacing various Renowns from frontline services).
5217 - Riverside for the Soccerbus. (Replacing 4910 from frontline services)

(11 Feb 2014, 5:48 pm)Tom wrote Yes, I know. PVR for the Pulse is only 4.
4989-92 - Riverside for the Pulse. (Replacing 5160/1/2/3)
4969/5211-13 - Riverside for the X40. (Replacing the tired Artics).
5214-16 - Chester-le-Street for the 71, branded as the ''Lambton Worm''. 5216 would be a spare for both the 71 and 34/34A. (Replacing various Renowns from frontline services).
5217 - Riverside for the Soccerbus. (Replacing 4910 from frontline services)

Does 4910 even appear on Soccerbus journeys?

(11 Feb 2014, 5:47 pm)Michael wrote The current Prince Bishops doesn't look cheap, i really hope its not going to be Crusader job and be rubbish - if of course they receive them

That's the problem. I highly doubt it was cheap.
Even though it's only a few vinyls, I'd suggest it wasn't on the cheap side.

If GNE think it is to receive investment the following year (far too early to be discussing this, but hey ho!), I'm inclined to suggest that it will be a cheaper design to get them through the year prior to yet another cascade (probably the Fast Cats, or something similar).

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(11 Feb 2014, 5:48 pm)Tom wrote Yes, I know. PVR for the Pulse is only 4.
4989-92 - Riverside for the Pulse. (Replacing 5160/1/2/3)
4969/5211-13 - Riverside for the X40. (Replacing the tired Artics).
5214-16 - Chester-le-Street for the 71, branded as the ''Lambton Worm''. 5216 would be a spare for both the 71 and 34/34A. (Replacing various Renowns from frontline services).
5217 - Riverside for the Soccerbus. (Replacing 4910 from frontline services)

Where's aureolin with his contractual requirement line?!

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(11 Feb 2014, 5:51 pm)northtynelinks2 wrote Does 4910 even appear on Soccerbus journeys?

It does.

(11 Feb 2014, 5:51 pm)northtynelinks2 wrote Does 4910 even appear on Soccerbus journeys?

Yeah, mostly. It's normally on the Blaydon Racers when the Soccerbus isn't operating, but is branded for advertising.

(11 Feb 2014, 5:43 pm)Dan wrote We should hope that the current livery will be retained on the Mercs - should the PB receive them!

If GNE think it's another Crusader, it's entirely possible we'll have a cheap in-house design unfortunately.

Simple answer to that net - it was either a plain purple one or use the present branding, so easy choice to make.

As for mentions of investment for Fab57, would I be as bold as to throw something I made earlier into the speculation

(11 Feb 2014, 5:55 pm)Kuyoyo wrote As for mentions of investment for Fab57, would I be as bold as to throw something I made earlier into the speculation

Somewhat similar services, aren't they?

(11 Feb 2014, 5:55 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Simple answer to that net - it was either a plain purple one or use the present branding, so easy choice to make.

As for mentions of investment for Fab57, would I be as bold as to throw something I made earlier into the speculation

It looks much better on a versa than the current B10's.

bet it gets some streetshites though!

(11 Feb 2014, 5:56 pm)Dan wrote

Somewhat similar services, aren't they?

Why else would you think I'd choose that rather than a Citaro (other than not presently having a decent Euro6 style Citaro net)?

(11 Feb 2014, 5:59 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Why else would you think I'd choose that rather than a Citaro (other than not presently having a decent Euro6 style Citaro net)?

Think you've missed the point...

Just thinking out loud, y'know... What's just happened with the Fast Cats?

(11 Feb 2014, 6:00 pm)Dan wrote Think you've missed the point...

Not missing the point, point know for quite some time

(11 Feb 2014, 5:40 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Ask and you shall receive

Must admit I'm slightly in love with that purple Citaro looks great. Can't wait to see the WearTees Xpress ones!

(11 Feb 2014, 6:00 pm)Dan wrote Think you've missed the point...

Just thinking out loud, y'know... What's just happened with the Fast Cats?

I agree with you Daniel, I believe I mentioned this a few months ago in the Service Suggestions Thread or Perhaps even this Thread, and I also agree Kuyoyo has completely missed the point you were making, which was to have the 57 under the Citylink Branding along side the 58, as they are pretty similar Routes between Newcastle and Heworth, So therefore branding the 57 Citylink would make Perfect sense, Hence the Reason Dan put the Citylink Versa Image up on his Post.

(11 Feb 2014, 5:51 pm)Dan wrote Where's aureolin with his contractual requirement line?!

Right here. I'd think the X66 Merc artics would possibly suit as a replacement for the X40 Scania artics?

(11 Feb 2014, 6:20 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote I agree with you Daniel, I believe I mentioned this a few months ago in the Service Suggestions Thread or Perhaps even this Thread, and I also agree Kuyoyo has completely missed the point you were making, which was to have the 57 under the Citylink Branding along side the 58, as they are pretty similar Routes between Newcastle and Heworth, So therefore branding the 57 Citylink would make Perfect sense, Hence the Reason Dan put the Citylink Versa Image up on his Post.

I would also agree... i would of also included the 56 in the Citylink brand, since it links 2 city's

so the 56,57,58 would all be under the Citylink brand

(11 Feb 2014, 6:28 pm)aureolin wrote Right here. I'd think the X66 Merc artics would possibly suit as a replacement for the X40 Scania artics?

Would be a good idea - not so sure if the Scania artics would be worth as great a value as the Merc when traded in part exchange (we assume...) using Optare Direct though...

Also the issue of re-creating the X40 livery. Rather expensive that one was, and obviously required external painters (Thornton's) owing to the size of the bus and the complexity of the base livery.

Just a thought what if GNE Traded in the Following via Optare, how much Discount would they get on such a Big Order, Plus would Intu/Great Park put any Money in Towards Investment, Like the Cobalt/Npower have for the Geminis on the 309/310 and X1/921, Just Curious, As this would then Allow for Vehicles to be Withdrawn, and obviously if the Crusader/Laser/Toonlink and Lime all Receive Investment, Further Cascades would allow for Further Withdrawal of older Vehicles in the Fleet, Thus allowing for Further Standardisation of the Fleet.

X40 Artics
X66 Artics
FAB 57/Pulse/Centurion Renowns

Total of Versas = 32 Versas

Plus

28 Citaros = Lime/Toonlink
34 Geminis = Laser/Crusader

Total = 94 New Buses - Over the 80 we are Expecting this Year - But for Discount on Big Orders/Possible Investment from Intu/Great Park, Then might worth Investing in Another 14 Buses

(11 Feb 2014, 6:31 pm)Dan wrote Would be a good idea - not so sure if the Scania artics would be worth as great a value as the Merc when traded in part exchange (we assume...) using Optare Direct though...

Also the issue of re-creating the X40 livery. Rather expensive that one was, and obviously required external painters (Thornton's) owing to the size of the bus and the complexity of the base livery.

That's a good point. I guess it comes down to the trade in cost vs replacing the Scania artics soon (12 years old now?). May be worthwhile keeping the Mercs and paying a bit extra for the Versas.