(08 May 2015, 10:23 pm)leestransportphotos wrote [ -> ]At least he stood by his word...
He hasn't though? He's not really resigned, because he has said he'd consider running in their leadership contest come September?
(08 May 2015, 10:23 pm)leestransportphotos wrote [ -> ]At least he stood by his word...
Will give the man that...
But he may be back, I am sure he said he migt stand in the leadership election...
Nuttall must feel like a knob right now when he said 'I guarantee you there will be more than 2 UKIP members elected
(08 May 2015, 10:26 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]He hasn't though? He's not really resigned, because he has said he'd consider running in their leadership contest come September?
He still resigned at the end of the day
(08 May 2015, 10:26 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]Will give the man that...
But he may be back, I am sure he said he migt stand in the leadership election...
Nuttall must feel like a knob right now when he said 'I guarantee you there will be more than 2 UKIP members elected
Just like Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg etc must feel like right bellends for f*cking everything up
(08 May 2015, 10:27 pm)leestransportphotos wrote [ -> ]He still resigned at the end of the day
His words - "If we'd failed in the European elections I would have stood down, if we fail next year the party will pick someone better than me, but do you know what? That ain't going to happen."
How is he keeping his word based on that? If you stand down, you do exactly that, and you walk away.
(08 May 2015, 10:32 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]His words - "If we'd failed in the European elections I would have stood down, if we fail next year the party will pick someone better than me, but do you know what? That ain't going to happen."
How is he keeping his word based on that? If you stand down, you do exactly that, and you walk away.
Yes and he has resigned! Just like if a premier league manager resigns. There is nothing saying he can't come back.
I'm not sure what your political views are but let's just say Labour... I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say this if it was Ed Milliband
(08 May 2015, 10:34 pm)leestransportphotos wrote [ -> ]Yes and he has resigned! Just like if a premier league manager resigns. There is nothing saying he can't come back.
I'm not sure what your political views are but let's just say Labour... I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say this if it was Ed Milliband
Political views are irrelevant here. Miliband and Clegg have both resigned, and you wouldn't expect them to run in their respective parties leadership elections. They'd have no credibility to do so, going out after failing to make an impact as party leader, just as Farage has.
It's obvious you have a problem with UKIP so everything will be wrong but... I wouldn't have a problem with Milliband or Clegg re-standing. At the end of the day it is there career. And put it this way, if rather have Milliband over someone patronising and stuck up like Yvette Cooper
Hasn't Farage now resigned as many times as the Wrestler Terry Funk, if he decided to restand would it be for the 3rd or 4th spell as UKIP leader
Isn't Farage an MEP? Or have I missed something?
(09 May 2015, 12:02 am)idiot wrote [ -> ]Isn't Farage an MEP? Or have I missed something?
Yes he is, and had he won the Westminster he would have had to give up his EU seat as far as I am aware
Ah ok. I was just about to look on wiki lol
(09 May 2015, 12:07 am)idiot wrote [ -> ]Ah ok. I was just about to look on wiki lol
Get ya self a look mate am not 100% sure on that
Seems there were "riots" in London yesterday against the Conservative government, with their main argument being that only 37(?)% of those that voted, voted Conservative.
Also found the following petition:
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-r..._home_page&algorithm=curated_trending
(10 May 2015, 8:39 am)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Seems there were "riots" in London yesterday against the Conservative government, with their main argument being that only 37(?)% of those that voted, voted Conservative.
Also found the following petition:
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-r..._home_page&algorithm=curated_trending
I think it is mad that 63% voted against Conservative and they still got in with 37%, I really understand what we could do to change that, but we do need some kind of reform
(10 May 2015, 5:52 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Details of the planned cuts.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/100...ar_twitter
I have a feeling, this is only the beginning.
Of course it's only he beginning, but I really do fear.
They may get a round of applause at their annual conference when they announce plans to trample all over families relying on benefits, a lot of which are actually in work but low waged, but it's the kids that lose out. If having so many people reliant on food banks isn't enough, they're now going to drag even more children into poverty.
What next? Ah, the disabled and the vulnerable. An easy target for the spiteful Tories to have another swipe or two at those, they perceive, can't (or won't) fight back. Lets see how many more deaths there are at the result of their evil policies.
The real problem with this lot is that they won't be beaten. If anyone dares to put up a challenge to them, then they'll use their power to change the law to retrospectively fix it or make sure it won't happen again. We seen that with the
workfare court cases, not to mention the relentless attacks on activists in the civil service.
(10 May 2015, 6:34 pm)citaro5284 wrote [ -> ]Coming from a labour paper I would not expect anything else, has these cuts been announced for sure?
It's nothing new really. The story has been running for a while now, and was the result of leaked DWP papers.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015...d-disabled
It was also in the Tories 2015 manifesto that they are to find £12bn from Welfare savings. This along with that they've proposed two phases to their deficit reduction programme. Phase one for the first three years of Parliament, with phase two being the remaining two.
I guess we'll have to wait for the Queen's speech at the back-end of May for the exact details, but I somehow can't see them cracking down on tax evasion instead!
(10 May 2015, 6:03 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]Of course it's only he beginning, but I really do fear.
They may get a round of applause at their annual conference when they announce plans to trample all over families relying on benefits, a lot of which are actually in work but low waged, but it's the kids that lose out. If having so many people reliant on food banks isn't enough, they're now going to drag even more children into poverty.
What next? Ah, the disabled and the vulnerable. An easy target for the spiteful Tories to have another swipe or two at those, they perceive, can't (or won't) fight back. Lets see how many more deaths there are at the result of their evil policies.
The real problem with this lot is that they won't be beaten. If anyone dares to put up a challenge to them, then they'll use their power to change the law to retrospectively fix it or make sure it won't happen again. We seen that with the workfare court cases, not to mention the relentless attacks on activists in the civil service.
I see they have found Gove a cushy new job.
Dread to think what wild and wacky ideas he comes up with.
(10 May 2015, 6:34 pm)citaro5284 wrote [ -> ]Coming from a labour paper I would not expect anything else, has these cuts been announced for sure?
http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7573
You should have a read. It points out (in a non biased way), how the government could make the cuts needed to save the money they have said they're going to save.
Quite worrying and concerning.
(16 May 2015, 9:28 am)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...aspiration
A canny read, on the re-appearance of Blairites over the last week
Personally, I don't think a return to the Tory-lite, 'Blue Labour' days is what the party needs. I don't think there was anything wrong with the message Ed Miliband was trying to advance. The problem lay with the appeal of Ed Miliband.
(16 May 2015, 11:49 am)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]Personally, I don't think a return to the Tory-lite, 'Blue Labour' days is what the party needs. I don't think there was anything wrong with the message Ed Miliband was trying to advance. The problem lay with the appeal of Ed Miliband.
Agreed.
Not just because of my leanings either.
In what was the recent past, the two party system, would have probably meant a move to the right would have led to a victory.
The middle England voters only had them and the tories to vote for and if their cornflakes had been p!ssed on like it had been under Major, then Labour would have picked them up.
I was over the moon when Chuka pulled out yesterday.
Hopefully whoever takes charge, can lead them to the left and make them different to the toeies, lib Dems and ukip.
Aspiration was used by Cameron throughout his campaign. It can mean so many things, unfortunately, it has been associated with financial connotations - nowt else.
I aspired to pass my driving tests, I aspired to have a family, I aspired to get my own home, I aspire for my kids to develop themselves and obtain a good education and career, I aspire to gain more knowledge and I aspire to obtain better qualifications.
Tory policy probably prevents or discourages a lot of that unfortunately.
Is anyone watching Rory Bremner?
He is as unfunny as ever, but just did a sketch about the 2020 election.
Huw Edwards and Laura Kuensburg (sp?), were the presenters, with the ticker along the bottom, running live breaking news stories from the night.
Houghton and Sunderland South - declared in 11 secs. Labour hold.
Sunderland Central - 22 seconds. Labour hold.
Washington and Sunderland West - 57 seconds. Labour hold.
Fighting has broken out amongst returning officers in Sunderland.
Street fighting has broken out in Sunderland.
(16 May 2015, 10:00 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]Caught this on the radio before along with all the pro-Blairite nonsense emanating from the Progress conference.
It will all end in tears.
Labour is in real turmoil at the moment, and I just hope the members select a strong enough candidate to take the party forward. Like Andreos1, I was pleased that Chuka pulled out the race for the leadership. Although very highly rated within, to me, he represents the New (blue) Labour years. For the Labour party to be a force again, it needs to offer a clear alternative, not a lesser form of Conservatism.
On the issue of Murphy/McCluskey/Unite... if I'm honest, I'm really surprised that Unite haven't made noises about de-affiliation yet. I'll give them a year or two before that one comes up, because I really don't think there's any benefit to Unite from the relationship. The Labour Party won't even support their action these days. If Unite de-affiliate, then others will follow suit.
(16 May 2015, 10:29 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]Labour is in real turmoil at the moment, and I just hope the members select a strong enough candidate to take the party forward. Like Andreos1, I was pleased that Chuka pulled out the race for the leadership. Although very highly rated within, to me, he represents the New (blue) Labour years. For the Labour party to be a force again, it needs to offer a clear alternative, not a lesser form of Conservatism.
On the issue of Murphy/McCluskey/Unite... if I'm honest, I'm really surprised that Unite haven't made noises about de-affiliation yet. I'll give them a year or two before that one comes up, because I really don't think there's any benefit to Unite from the relationship. The Labour Party won't even support their action these days. If Unite de-affiliate, then others will follow suit.
I wish they'd stop banging-on about failing to attract support from the middle-classes. For one, there is no such thing as the middle-classes. Unless you can afford to pack in your job and live off the wealth you've accumulated then you fall into the category 'working class' - which is what Labour is meant to represent. Secondly, as Andreos has already mentioned, the 'middle-class' to which the Blairites seem so intent on pandering towards are essentially floating voters. They are not Labour's core support base. If they focus solely on attracting the middle-classes they'll lose support elsewhere as real Labour voters (and maybe the Unions) migrate to support different parties.
