(16 Apr 2015, 4:36 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Too busy protesting against the Dubmire WMC regime 
http://www.ddsl.org.uk/leagueTables/leagueTables.html
relegated from Division Two...
Demand FPF representation on the Club Committee lmao
(16 Apr 2015, 8:42 am)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Partly inspired by this: http://ashleyout.com/articles/a-guest-bl...the-times/
I wanted to jot down some thoughts about my experiences and ideas on events at SJP.
Years ago, I jumped on the football bandwagon. Got addicted to it and over the years played it, managed it (computer games of course) and coached it (kids teams).
As a youngster growing up in the 80's, it wasn't a good time to go to a game. There were fights, fires, disasters, pitch invasions and locally - usually 90mins of dross.
Eventually, as things seemed to be quieting down on the terraces and Newcastle seemed to be on the up and making an early push for promotion back to what was Divison 1, I got my opportunity to head to SJP.
I had managed to escape the fun, but archaic Graham Courtney and Charles Harrison on Metro Radio and got to see Newcastle play for the first time. There had been the odd TV game, but I was there, in the flesh, standing in the Gallowgate end.
I saw Micky Quinn miss a penalty, but I saw Newcastle scrape out a win. I was hooked.
Unfortunately, a dip in form and a series of pitch invasions and also Hillsbrough, discouraged too many additional visits over the next year or two. Metro Radio and the perennial squeaky door during pre-match player interviews would have to suffice.
I lived and breathed Newcastle United. Newspaper articles, TV appearances, visits to the training grounds. All absorbed and retained for a rainy day.
I would break a neck to listen or watch a live game on the radio or telly, until my next visit to SJP.
Managers came and went, Jim Smith replaced by Ossie Ardiles. Keegan stepping in and creating a soap opera, Dalglish, Gullit, Robson, Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Shearer, Keegan (again) and then the interims, caretakers and directors of football that have epitomised the Ashley era of financial stability, but dross on the pitch.
It was during the latter days of Allardyce, on a cold November day that things started to change for me.
It was poisonous. Hammered at home to Liverpool and 50,000 baying at the home manager.
Gradually, my visits to SJP slowly declined. My interest in football didn't though. My passion for Newcastle United wasn't what it was - but I couldn't put my finger on the reasons.
I would go to Gateshead games, pop down to Hartlepool, watch Northern -league stuff when family members were playing and watch Newcastle on the telly. Heck, I even paid money to watch Greenock Morton - but couldn't bring myself to go to SJP on a regular basis. 2/3 times a year, even in the second promotion season when the football was decent and the goals flowed.
It has got to the point now, where my interest in the team goes as far as youth cup games, listening to the odd game on Radio Newcastle, hearing the same patter day after day on Total Sport and visiting nufc.com.
I still give the obligatory fist pump when (if) they score and will always want them to win, but the excitement isn't there any more.
The term balance sheet champions is bandied about a lot. £34m sitting in the bank account according to latest reports. Very ambitious financial plans. Stagnation on the pitch can only damage those finances in the long term.
If supporters don't spend money within the club, club profits are going to be damaged.
Unless there is a change of ownership or we see a movement in the policies set down by Ashley, mid table obscurity and relegation battles, coupled with dire performances will continue to be the norm.
There isn't going to be the renaissance seen under Keegan or Robson. There aren't going to be barmy nights in Europe and it doesn't look like a cup run or two will ever happen soon.
Fans want to see excitement. They want to feel the anticipation of a new season approaching, seeing how new summer signings settle in and put in 100%.
I have no idea why I picked Newcastle to be my team. Growing up with parents who weren't too bothered about football and the lack of a footballing flagbearer, it could have been any team that I picked.
Maybe a combination of factors - pre-Metrocentre shopping in the town and being caught up in the match day throngs, being given a Pannini sticker book, who knows. All I do know, is the media didn't love football like they do now.
As it is, I enjoy watching Gateshead. Experienced things that I never did with Newcastle and as good as the European nights were (never got to Milan, Turin, Monaco or any other away game), Grimsby at the IS, Wembley and The Hawthorns will stick with me for ever.
A lot of the old school Gateshead supporters resent people jumping on the bandwaggon and to an extent, I understand. Seeing people turn up, wearing red and white or black and white tops to watch Gateshead, well... It just isn't right.
However, not all of those turning up at the IS are newbies. Like myself, they have been going on and off for years - fitting it in around games at SJP. The lack of entertainment at SJP, has seen those fleeting trips, turn into more regular visits.
Hopefully the club can grow because of it and benefit from the regime ruining Newcastle United.
I once read somewhere or was told Older Gateshead fans resent Newcastle in particular as Newcastle were one of the clubs to Gateshead out of the League in the 1960's...
The story goes that Hartlepool owed Newcastle some money and if Hartlepool were voted out then Newcastle would not see a penny of what they were owed, thus not voting for Gateshead
(16 Apr 2015, 4:47 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]Demand FPF representation on the Club Committee lmao
I once read somewhere or was told Older Gateshead fans resent Newcastle in particular as Newcastle were one of the clubs to Gateshead out of the League in the 1960's...
The story goes that Hartlepool owed Newcastle some money and if Hartlepool were voted out then Newcastle would not see a penny of what they were owed, thus not voting for Gateshead
Reading the link I put up about Colin Richardson, it looks like his funeral will be held in the village.
Never heard that story. I know there was an imbalance of southern based teams elected versus northern based clubs being demoted.
(16 Apr 2015, 5:03 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Reading the link I put up about Colin Richardson, it looks like his funeral will be held in the village.
Never heard that story. I know there was an imbalance of southern based teams elected versus northern based clubs being demoted.
The biggest imbalance comes at The Conference Regional Divisions partly because of the Northern League's unwillingness to fully play ball with the Pyramid...The imbalance really starts at Step 3, when the pyramid was started, there was supposed to be 2 Northern Leagues(Northern Premier League and Northern League) and 2 Southern Leagues(Southern League and Isthmian League), initially the Isthmian League opted out, and the Northern League were offered the chance to join in repeatedly, always saying No, by the time The Northern League were brought into the system it was too late to be at Step 2(now Step 3) and the Leagues above have been messed up at times, especially in the Conference Regionals i.e. Bishop's Stortford, Histon, Oxford City, Worcester and Gloucester in Conference North
Apart from Darlington and Spennymoor, Kendal is only team North of Harrogate or Scarborough Athletic at Step 4, so things like that does not help balance things out...
Plenty of spineless scabs inside of SJP today. I use the word scab, as really they're no better.
(19 Apr 2015, 3:06 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]Plenty of spineless scabs inside of SJP today. I use the word scab, as really they're no better.
Did you really expect anything else though?
Chances are, the majority of the more vociferous supporters calling for the boycott, are not even season ticket holders.
If they really want to make their voices heard they should all cancel their Sky subscriptions and start supporting their local teams.
(19 Apr 2015, 3:14 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]Did you really expect anything else though?
Chances are, the majority of the more vociferous supporters calling for the boycott, are not even season ticket holders.
If they really want to make their voices heard they should all cancel their Sky subscriptions and start supporting their local teams.
If I'm honest? No. People are more than happy whinging about something, but never happy to do anything about it.
Watching the match on Sky, it sounds dead, having said that it hasn't sounded great for as long as I can remember. It's like they're playing in a vaccum
Relegation Battle Remaining Fixtures
Newcastle (35 Points): Swansea(H) - Leicester City(A) - West Brom(H) - QPR(A) - West Ham(H)
Aston Villa (32 Points): QPR(H)TBA - Man City(A) - Everton(H) - West Ham(H) - Southampton(A) - Burnley(H)
Sunderland (29 Points): Stoke(A) - Southampton(H) - Everton(A) - Leicester(H) - Arsenal(A) - Chelsea(A)
Hull City (28 Points) Crystal Palace(A) - Liverpool(H) - Arsenal(H) - Burnley(H) - Tottenham(A) - Man United(H)
Leicester (28 Points) Burnley(A) - Chelsea(H) - Newcastle(H) - Southampton(H) - Sunderland(A) - QPR(A)
QPR (26 Points) Aston Villa(TBA) - West Ham(H) - Liverpool(A) - Man City(A) - Newcastle(H) - Leicester (H)
Burnley (26 Points) - Leicester(H) - West Ham(A) - Hull City(A) - Stoke(H) - Aston Villa(A)
I am going to with Hull City, QPR and Burnley to be Relegated.
QPR/Aston Villa have already played each other.
I am going to go with Hull, QPR and Burnley too, I think Leicester can stay up with that great run of fixtures. Hull's are awful though.
(19 Apr 2015, 4:14 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]QPR/Aston Villa have already played each other.
I am going to go with Hull, QPR and Burnley too, I think Leicester can stay up with that great run of fixtures. Hull's are awful though.
Aston Villa vs QPR was Scheduled to be played tomorrow night but Postponed to be Resheduled as Aston Villa have just played Liverpool in the F.A. Cup Semi Final.
Hull have no chance of stopping up at all, Perhaps if they got rid of that Overweight Geordie Turd then they might of been a decent side.
(19 Apr 2015, 4:23 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]Aston Villa vs QPR was Scheduled to be played tomorrow night but Postponed to be Resheduled as Aston Villa have just played Liverpool in the F.A. Cup Semi Final.
Hull have no chance of stopping up at all, Perhaps if they got rid of that Overweight![[Image: arrow-10x10.png]](http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)
Geordie Turd then they might of been a decent side.
Yeah I know, it was played last Tuesday, it finished 3-3.
I agree, Hull have no chance at all of staying up unless a miracle happens.
(19 Apr 2015, 3:06 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]Plenty of spineless scabs inside of SJP today. I use the word scab, as really they're no better.
Ouch...
Really strong choice of words the, I hate the word scab, because of what it means...
But your right, they are really no better than those who cross picket lines, I always believe Football Fans should stick together, if owners see a split in the fans, they have won half the battle...
I remember back in 2012, Darlo arranged a boycott in response to West Auckland doubling ticket prices for a league game, can't really remember the eventual outcome, but that also saw quite a few 'scabs' as you put it, people who said they favoured the boycott and the little weasels ended up going it and to be honest that hurt, I stood by the boycott and some weasley little rats made a mockery of thd protest
(19 Apr 2015, 4:43 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]Yeah I know, it was played last Tuesday, it finished 3-3.
I agree, Hull have no chance at all of staying up unless a miracle happens.
So they did, didnt even realise they were any BPL Games in Midweek.
(19 Apr 2015, 4:44 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]So they did, didnt even realise they were any BPL Games in Midweek.
There are some Midweek next week too
Hull v Liverpool play on Tuesday, Leicester v Chelsea on Wednesday
Anyone know what the attendance at SJP was today?
(19 Apr 2015, 4:59 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Anyone know what the attendance at SJP was today?
About 47000.
It was another crap performance.
(19 Apr 2015, 5:01 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]About 47000.
It was another crap performance.
Not a very well carried out boycott then...
Aye, shocking performance and defending, getting a bit worried now
Worth pointing out that the attendance figures go on tickets sold. Not how many people are in the stadium. So any ST holders that boycott the game today would still be included in the figures.
(19 Apr 2015, 5:02 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Not a very well carried out boycott then...
Aye, shocking performance and defending, getting a bit worried now
(19 Apr 2015, 5:07 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]Worth pointing out that the attendance figures go on tickets sold. Not how many people are in the stadium. So any ST holders that boycott the game today would still be included in the figures.
They said on BBC radio there was a estimated 47000 people in the ground.
Yeah we need to up our game or we are in serious trouble. But to be honest, I can't see us getting any points any time soon because we are totally pathetic.
(19 Apr 2015, 5:02 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Not a very well carried out boycott then...
Aye, shocking performance and defending, getting a bit worried now
Would seem that way mate...
I remember the same going on when The Glazers took over Man Utd, boycotts were talked about and there was still near full houses at Old Trafford, a small group of fans went on to form there own club, FC United of Manchester. But with Man Utd, there will always be people in the South East or China willing to pay to watch them.
What it does, is play into the owners hands, as it shows people will near fill a ground despite there being a boycott in place, and it means the chairmen have no worries as they are not taking a right financial spanking
(19 Apr 2015, 4:44 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]Ouch...
Really strong choice of words the, I hate the word scab, because of what it means...
But your right, they are really no better than those who cross picket lines, I always believe Football Fans should stick together, if owners see a split in the fans, they have won half the battle...
I remember back in 2012, Darlo arranged a boycott in response to West Auckland doubling ticket prices for a league game, can't really remember the eventual outcome, but that also saw quite a few 'scabs' as you put it, people who said they favoured the boycott and the little weasels ended up going it and to be honest that hurt, I stood by the boycott and some weasley little rats made a mockery of thd protest
I'd argue the word 'scab' is more fitting to the world of football.
Although I agree that people shouldn't cross picket lines during employment disputes, the potentially damaging effect caused by the loss of income if sustained over a long period of time can justify the reason to scab. I accept it's not ideal but people have different breaking points - if I had kids and they were starving then I'd like to think I'd put them first before my own grievances and/or ideological fervour.
However, when it comes to football, there's no pressure (or reason) to back down. Football fans can stick together because it has zero chance of becoming a life or death situation. Football is a choice; work (for most people) is a necessity. If people choose to back out of a boycott it is because they don't care enough and enjoy whinging instead of being proactive.
They are scabs!
Just a thought, instead of a protest in the future, could a mass pitch invasion be organised?
Do it at half time, when the players are in, and get quite a few of the fans to just go and sit on the pitch?
Would certainly draw more attention
(19 Apr 2015, 6:26 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Just a thought, instead of a protest in the future, could a mass pitch invasion be organised?
Do it at half time, when the players are in, and get quite a few of the fans to just go and sit on the pitch?
Would certainly draw more attention
A pitch invasion, really?
It is against the law to do so, I know we see them in big games every year, when the non-League teams beat League teams in the cup, or when a team has just won the league, and it is tolerated in those circumstances,there is also the ugly pitch invasions like we saw at Villa a few weeks back.
Because of what Newcastle fans are protesting about, a pitch invasion of this would further divide the fans, fans risk criminal action and the club could end up in big trouble...
If Newcastle fans are that sick, then through there supporters association turn there backs on St James' and go down the FC United route, start there own club, which has worked with quite well with Wimbledon and FC United
(19 Apr 2015, 6:35 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]A pitch invasion, really?
It is against the law to do so, I know we see them in big games every year, when the non-League teams beat League teams in the cup, or when a team has just won the league, and it is tolerated in those circumstances,there is also the ugly pitch invasions like we saw at Villa a few weeks back.
Because of what Newcastle fans are protesting about, a pitch invasion of this would further divide the fans, fans risk criminal action and the club could end up in big trouble...
If Newcastle fans are that sick, then through there supporters association turn there backs on St James' and go down the FC United route, start there own club, which has worked with quite well with Wimbledon and FC United
Had absolutely no idea that they were illegal!!
I knew that the club could get into trouble, but I thought that was more to do with the match being unable to progress etc.
Look like a bit of a willy now don't I!
(19 Apr 2015, 6:37 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Had absolutely no idea that they were illegal!!
I knew that the club could get into trouble, but I thought that was more to do with the match being unable to progress etc.
Look like a bit of a willy now don't I!
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/19/section/4
Going onto the playing area.
It is an offence for a person at a designated football match to go onto the playing area, or any area adjacent to the playing area to which spectators are not generally admitted, without lawful authority or lawful excuse (which shall be for him to prove).
(19 Apr 2015, 7:59 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]@mb134
Definitely not 47,000...
(19 Apr 2015, 7:59 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]@mb134
That picture only shows less than half the ground, what I have seen and heard is tbe figure is probably less than 47k, what Newcastle probably do is count Season Ticket holders regardless of whether they go or not
oh well, ignore that suggestion then!