(07 Feb 2020, 10:20 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]What About run Quorum 555 into Newcastle, even if just a few journeys to allow solos to get onto other services.With the 51A, that would be better extended to the Marden Estate and the 306 made Tynemouth - Newcastle only again to improve reliability.
Also i would extend 51A to Northumberland Park & Cobalt.
(25 Feb 2020, 11:07 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Evening service suggestion for X10/X11/X21/X22
- All departures from Haymarket moved to either xx:20 or xx:50.
- Last bus of evening back to Ashington or Blyth timed to depart at 11:25
(26 Feb 2020, 12:25 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]Mentioning this it's something I've never understand about the Arriva services from Newcastle and Blyth / Cramlington is the fact they all run at the same time. I'd change it to something like.Although the suggestion with the 43/X10/X11 is wise, from a marketing POV, I would just stick with offering as late of a service as possible.
Old times in brackets.
43: XX:00 (XX:05)
X7: XX:05 (XX:07)
X11: XX:15 (XX:10)
308: XX:25 (XX:12)
43: XX:30 (XX:35)
X8: XX:35 (XX:37)
X10: XX:45 (XX:40)
308: XX:55 (XX:42)
With new last journeys of:
X8: 22:35 (22:37)
X7: 23:05 (23:07)
X10: 22:45 (22:40)
X11: 23:15 (23:10)
308: 23:25 (23:12)
43: 23:00 (23:05)
For the record the 306 would be XX:10 and XX:40 (Last bus 23:40) and the X21/X22 XX:20 and XX:50 (Last bus 23:20).
It just makes more sense as now you have a 15 minute service to Cramlington and a 10 minute service to Blyth even known some are a bit slower but at night you don't care especially in Haymarket. Plus you give a slightly later bus for the 308 and X10 compared to now with the maximum of 5 minutes lost off any last bus.
(04 Apr 2020, 9:39 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]With regards to Sapphire and MAX branding being applied to Express routes, I would suggest that Arriva move to a new 'express' brand similar to GNE's X-Lines concept.
(04 Apr 2020, 9:39 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Suggestion for new concept and service suggestion
With regards to Sapphire and MAX branding being applied to Express routes, I would suggest that Arriva move to a new 'express' brand similar to GNE's X-Lines concept.
Arriva 'X'
- Dark blue (similar shade of blue as GNE's Connections 4) and silver livery
- Applied only to 'express' routes
- All routes under the Arriva 'X' brand will offer:
* Free WiFi
* USB charging points / Plug Sockets
* Wireless charging
* Next stop announcements (voiced by the lovely Emma Hignett)
* High specification kiel seating with extra padding (or ADL Smart Seats if ADL vehicle)
* Tables on upper deck for services where double deck vehicles are used
* 1x spare vehicle to the same specification for every 7-8 vehicles
Suggested changes to X21 / X22 (would be launch routes for Arriva 'X') - also see service X19 further down
- Same frequency as now between Newcastle and Ashington on both routes.
- Frequency of X21 between Ashington and Newbiggin reduced to every 60 mins Mon-Sat
- X21 journeys departing Newcastle at xx:35 and arriving into Newcastle at xx:38 will operate to and from Newbiggin.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at Newbiggin Cresswell arms. Evening and Sunday journeys will continue to Seacrest Road.
- Evening and Sunday service remains the same.
- X21 journeys that extend to Newbiggin will interwork with new service X19.
- The combined PVR of services X19/X21/X22 will be 16 vehicles
- 16 (+2 spare) ADL E400MMC ZF 10.9m vehicles purchased with 7541-52 going to Blyth for service 308.
New service X19 Newbiggin Cresswell Arms - Woodhorn - Wansbeck Hospital - Ashington Bus Station - North Seaton then fast to Regent Centre, Gosforth and Newcastle Haymarket (another launch route for Arriva 'X')
- Will provide faster journeys from Newbiggin to Newcastle
- Will replace extra peak time X20 journeys between Newcastle and Ashington
- Will provide a combined frequency of up to every 30 minutes with service X20 between Wansbeck Hospital and Newcastle
- Will operate every 60 mins Mon-Sat (interworking with X21 in Newbiggin) and every 60 mins Sunday daytimes (standalone)
(06 Apr 2020, 6:01 pm)RobinHood wrote [ -> ]You do realise that MAX is that 'express' brand?
X-lines is simply GNE catching up, albeit with better implementation.
(08 Apr 2020, 10:30 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Final suggestion. Will upload timetables and boards if able to..........
Arriva-X X19
- Will operate hourly between Newbiggin Cresswell Arms and Newcastle via Woodhorn, Wansbeck Hospital then the same route as service X20. Service X19 in conjunction with service X20, will offer a fast service up to every 30 mins during Mon-Sat daytimes
- Mon-Sat evening journeys will operate every 60 minutes until 21:13 ex Newcastle. Later journeys to North Seaton will be provided by service X21E departing Newcastle at 21:55 and 22:55.
- Sunday daytime journeys will run up to every 60 minutes until 18:40 ex Newcastle. Later journeys to North Seaton will be provided by service X21E departing Newcastle at 19:55 and 20:55.
Arriva-X X21 (PVR 12 but interworking with X19 Mon-Sat):
- Change of route between Bedlington and Newcastle with journeys running via the current X22 route instead of Nedderton Village.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at the Cresswell Arms in Newbiggin. Evening & Sunday journeys will continue to serve Seacrest Road.
- Every 15 mins Mon-Sat between Ashington and Newcastle as well as hourly to and from Newbiggin. There will also be increased running time to assist reliability (58 mins ex Ashington and 57 mins ex Newcastle but via Hartlands rather than Nedderton).
- Evening & Sunday journeys every 30 minutes between Ashington and Newcastle as well as hourly to and from Newbiggin. Extra running time on Sundays to improve reliability. Late evening journeys on Sundays will operate hourly.
- Journeys at 21:55 and 22:55 ex Newcastle Mon-Sat will operate as service X21E via Nedderton and continuing to North Seaton South Side after Ashington. Journeys at 19:55 and 20:55 ex Newcastle on Sundays will also operate as service X21E.
Arriva 20 (PVR 5) - In laymans terms, this will be Ashington's version of GNE's '6'. Deliberately not categorising this as an 'Express' although still limited stop between Seaton Burn Holiday Inn and Newcastle.
- Will operate via the current X22 route to Bedlington then the current X21 route to Newcastle.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will operate up to every 30 mins.
- Evening journeys will operate up to every 60 minutes until 20:45 ex Newcastle. Later journeys from Newcastle will be provided by service X21E with connections available in Bedlington and through fares available. Short journeys will depart from Bedlington to Ashington at 22:34 and 23:34.
- Sunday daytime journeys will operate up to every 60 minutes until 18:45 ex Newcastle. Later journeys from Newcastle will be provided by service X21E with connections available at Bedlington and through fares available. Short journeys will depart from Bedlington to Ashington at 20:34 and 21:34.
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Mon-Sat PVRs:
- X19/X21 = 12
- 20 = 5
Evening PVRs:
- 35 / X21 = 4
- X21 (Ashington & N.Seaton only) = 2
- 20 = 2 later reducing to 1
Sunday PVRs:
- 35 / X21 = 4
- X21 (Ashington and later N.Seaton only) = 2
- 20 / X19 = 5 (long layover in Ashington with new bus & driver sent out, interworking pattern will be 20 (Ash - Ncl) > X19 (Ncl - Nbig - Ncl) > 20 (Ncl - Ash).
(08 Apr 2020, 10:30 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Final suggestion. Will upload timetables and boards if able to..........
Arriva-X X19
- Will operate hourly between Newbiggin Cresswell Arms and Newcastle via Woodhorn, Wansbeck Hospital then the same route as service X20. Service X19 in conjunction with service X20, will offer a fast service up to every 30 mins during Mon-Sat daytimes
- Mon-Sat evening journeys will operate every 60 minutes until 21:13 ex Newcastle. Later journeys to North Seaton will be provided by service X21E departing Newcastle at 21:55 and 22:55.
- Sunday daytime journeys will run up to every 60 minutes until 18:40 ex Newcastle. Later journeys to North Seaton will be provided by service X21E departing Newcastle at 19:55 and 20:55.
Arriva-X X21 (PVR 12 but interworking with X19 Mon-Sat):
- Change of route between Bedlington and Newcastle with journeys running via the current X22 route instead of Nedderton Village.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at the Cresswell Arms in Newbiggin. Evening & Sunday journeys will continue to serve Seacrest Road.
- Every 15 mins Mon-Sat between Ashington and Newcastle as well as hourly to and from Newbiggin. There will also be increased running time to assist reliability (58 mins ex Ashington and 57 mins ex Newcastle but via Hartlands rather than Nedderton).
- Evening & Sunday journeys every 30 minutes between Ashington and Newcastle as well as hourly to and from Newbiggin. Extra running time on Sundays to improve reliability. Late evening journeys on Sundays will operate hourly.
- Journeys at 21:55 and 22:55 ex Newcastle Mon-Sat will operate as service X21E via Nedderton and continuing to North Seaton South Side after Ashington. Journeys at 19:55 and 20:55 ex Newcastle on Sundays will also operate as service X21E.
Arriva 20 (PVR 5) - In laymans terms, this will be Ashington's version of GNE's '6'. Deliberately not categorising this as an 'Express' although still limited stop between Seaton Burn Holiday Inn and Newcastle.
- Will operate via the current X22 route to Bedlington then the current X21 route to Newcastle.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will operate up to every 30 mins.
- Evening journeys will operate up to every 60 minutes until 20:45 ex Newcastle. Later journeys from Newcastle will be provided by service X21E with connections available in Bedlington and through fares available. Short journeys will depart from Bedlington to Ashington at 22:34 and 23:34.
- Sunday daytime journeys will operate up to every 60 minutes until 18:45 ex Newcastle. Later journeys from Newcastle will be provided by service X21E with connections available at Bedlington and through fares available. Short journeys will depart from Bedlington to Ashington at 20:34 and 21:34.
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Mon-Sat PVRs:
- X19/X21 = 12
- 20 = 5
Evening PVRs:
- 35 / X21 = 4
- X21 (Ashington & N.Seaton only) = 2
- 20 = 2 later reducing to 1
Sunday PVRs:
- 35 / X21 = 4
- X21 (Ashington and later N.Seaton only) = 2
- 20 / X19 = 5 (long layover in Ashington with new bus & driver sent out, interworking pattern will be 20 (Ash - Ncl) > X19 (Ncl - Nbig - Ncl) > 20 (Ncl - Ash).
(09 Apr 2020, 5:16 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]You do realise the X21 and X22 run different bus routes between Bedlington and Ashington...
Anyone who lives on the X22 route between Bedlington and Ashington is getting an extremely raw deal here, reduced to every 30 minutes, no night service at all and a longer journey to put the cherry on the cake. You'd also leave Stakeford and the Green Lane area of Ashington without a bus service at all at night, the X22 is all they've got. They don't want a bus service between Bedlington and Ashington it's Newcastle which they'd be interested in.
Terrible idea no offence not to mention an express X20 and a 20 which aren't linked at all.
(10 Apr 2020, 1:37 am)omnicity4659 wrote [ -> ]I think the lockdown is getting to someone's head.
(10 Apr 2020, 8:07 am)mb134 wrote [ -> ]It's a service suggestion thread. The very point of which is speculative suggestions for services.
If you take issue with any suggestion then discuss it rather than dismissing them, don't just come in with unconstructive sarcasm.
(07 Jun 2020, 12:52 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Files:
Rationale behind suggested service changes to services 51A / 306 / 308
Current PVR (Pre COVID19) - 21x
306 (Jesmond) - 8x single deck vehicles *odd double deck workings common*
308 (Blyth) - 10x double deck vehicles
51 & 51A (Jesmond) - 3x minibuses
New suggested PVR - 17x
306 & 308 (Jesmond Boards) - 7x double deck vehicles
306 & 308 (Blyth Boards) - 6x double deck vehicles
51 & 51A - 4x minibuses
Current Vehicle Capacities
Single decker (306) - 44 seats
Double decker (308) - 71 seats
Services 306 & 308
- The current combined capacity of services 306 & 308 between Billy Mill and Newcastle is 460 seats per hour.
- With both services reduced to provide an even combined 10 minute frequency between Billy Mill and Newcastle, the capacity will be reduced by 34 seats per hour to 426 seats per hour (based on VDL DB300 Wright Gemini 2 being used). However, it is worth noting:
Service 51A
- Services 306 & 308 will operate at more even intervals thus distributing passenger loads more efficiently.
- Service 306 will no longer serve Battle Hill Drive, the Marden Estate or Whitley Bay.
- A potential slight decrease in the number of 'discretionary' passengers between Station Road and Newcastle due to a frequency reduction in comparison to Go North East. However, this will also be reflected by a reduction of the overall combined PVR in terms of cost.
- Marden Estate will benefit from slightly quicker journeys to and from Newcastle.
- If 10.9M ADL E400MMC vehicles were ordered later down the line, they would provide a capacity of 462 seats per hour (77 seats per vehicle) thus matching the number of seats per hour provided on a 7-8 minute frequency (15 minutes each service) but with a slightly reduced frequency and a reduced PVR.
- Could be subsidised by Nexus and extension will allow service 359 to be withdrawn.
Service X6
- Withdrawn due to most feeding areas and connections being provided by Stagecoach & Go North East.
Cost benefits
- PVR of full size single deck and double deck vehicles reduced by 27% from 18x to 13x.
- No 'cross depot' dead mileage. Jesmond will only operate dead mileage to and from either Billy Mill or Tymemouth (as they do now). The only dead mileage Blyth depot will operate (as they do now) will be from the last 308 service that operates from Blyth to Billy Mill with the vehicle operating light back to Blyth.
- Evening frequency reduced to better match capacity with demand.
Timetable journey codes
- A = Terminates at Tynemouth Beach Road near the Park Hotel and not Grand Parade
- B = Terminates at Lynn Road near First Vets and not Coast Road / Billy Mill
(07 Jun 2020, 1:25 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]What's your obsession with cutting services from Tynemouth, Whitley and Blyth (noticed I didn't mention the Coast Road there). The 306/308 has been every 15 minutes forever and nothing, I repeat, nothing has changed anywhere to suddenly make the demand decrease on both the services, if anything it should have gone up with the new large housing estate outside of Blyth. The 309/10 are a different route and have no impact on both services, if anything there should be more demand now due to their decrease.
The reason for higher passenger numbers on service 308 is down to the fact that towards Newcastle between Billy Mill and Willington Square, there is a 5 / 10 gap due to the 306 serving Battle Hill Drive. Therefore, the majority of users end up on service 308. Demand is changing and will most certainly change post Covid19. How much I don't know but I'd imagine a 20 minute service would be more than adequate. And with reference to the new developments in Blyth, most users would use one of the 'X' services to Newcastle over service 308 if in easy reach.
The 306 doesn't need deckers whereas the 308 does need deckers, what's the point in messing that up and also where are you going to get these 3 extra DB300's from I'm sure hope to god your not planning to take them off us again on the X7/X8/X9 as we badly need them as it is at peak times.
Given the fact that PVR reductions will likely happen around the country, I'm sure Arriva would be able to source an extra suitable 3x Geminis or E400s if needed. Wouldn't advocate taking from X7/X8/X9 though. And going forward, Arriva are going to need to invest in new vehicles with the ULEZ coming into force in the near distant future. That would provide an opportunity for Arriva to upgrade services 306 & 308 with 13x new vehicles plus 1x spare at each depot. Furthermore, the 306 becoming double deck would also coincide with a 10 minute frequency along the Coast Road and would also come in handy for capacity towards the Coast as the 306 can get popular if the weather is nice with people heading into North Shields & Tynemouth.
The 306 is the only bus route in large parts of North Shields / Tynemouth similar to the 308 is the quickest way from most parts of Whitley / Blyth unless you live closer to the metro. At the same time your also removing the link from Tynemouth or Whitley to Morrisons at Preston Grange.
Whitley Bay to Preston Grange Morrisons is covered by service 11 (GNE & Nexus). The only reason why the link between Tynemouth and Preston Grange Morrisons was established was due to the fact that the original X6 that served the Marden Estate was a big failure and the only feasible option was to extend service 306 at the time. GNE's 1A & 1B provide most links for the Marden Estate.
The 306/308 isn't there to serve the coast road, it's there to serve beyond Billy Mill.
The Coast Road is a core element of both routes.
You've also decreased the 308 from every 30 mins to hourly in the evening which is a big negative.
Not a negative on most evenings. A 30 minute service ex Newcastle would operate until 2025 Mon-Fri and 1925 Sat-Sun. Whilst the 30 minute frequency is handy, it's not exactly cost efficient most evenings particularly in the times that we're in. Also, departures ex Newcastle when hourly would be @ xx:15 with the last bus of the evening @ xx:20.
From a passenger point of view, there are absolutely no benefits to your changes and if Arriva are happy to run it at 15 minutes why would you want to decrease it. It makes no sense.
From a passenger point of view, going from every 15 minutes to every 20 minutes is hardly a big decrease. Quality of service would also improve with newer vehicles (reduced number required which makes case more viable) and a more consistent service along the Coast Road with buses running at a straight 10 minute even interval most of the time. And from a cost perspective, what is the point of having 5x extra full size vehicles (single or double deck) on the road for the sake of 34x extra seats per hour? If Arriva were to eventually purchase the 10.9M E400MMC, the capacity would be the same as now but with a reduced PVR and significant cost savings.
Also merging the 2 routes together, if you have a problem on the 308 that makes it 25 minutes late at Whitley heading towards town, you've got no way of regulating it until it's been to Newcastle back to Tynemouth back to Newcastle then back to Blyth with a lot of late running, keeping Jesmond with the 306 and Blyth with the 308, you've got a chance to sort that out once it get's to Blyth or Haymarket so there's less late running. I know some on here hate the way that Blyth and Jesmond do that but I think it's one of the best things they do, even known it seriously messes branding up but personally I'd rather have a bus with the wrong brand than the right branded bus 35 minutes late or cutting services short (GNE).
There will always be a risk of that with services interworking. But the 306 would benefit from more running time due to no longer serving Battle Hill Drive as well as up to 8 minutes in Tynemouth and 8 minutes in Newcastle. The 308 would also receive an extra 2 minutes towards Newcastle and an extra 3 minutes towards Blyth with both layovers mostly 8 minutes.
(07 Jun 2020, 5:27 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]I understand where your points are coming from but the 308 is Arriva's flagship service or used to be around here anyway; I just don't see the point in reducing it if you don't need too. The Arriva X7 and X9 are just as slow from Blyth to Newcastle (about 10 minutes quicker) but are extremely unreliable (the X7 anyway with South Gosforth).
The majority of customers on the 308 definitely come beyond Billy Mill though, what you have to remember is it's £1.80'ish from Station Road to Newcastle and the majority of passengers have Network One passes whereas the customers beyond Billy Mill will have an Arriva Day Ticket / GoNorthEast (depending on choice). The passengers beyond Billy Mill are worth more than those on the Coast Road itself as you need to try and get the GNE passes from them. Most people just get on whatever bus comes first along the Coast Road, I used to live on it and seen it, and have no loyalty to either Arriva or GNE, so it doesn't really matter whether it's every 10 minutes or every 7.5 minutes along there. If you really want to change the 308, I'd mess around with the Blyth end of the route; possibly send it along Claremont Road and Marine Drive instead of on the coast as you don't need 7 buses an hour between Whitley and Blyth, or try and take it some of North Whitley as the car usage around there is shockingly high but it's no wonder when all you've got is an hourly minibus on the 51 and the W2.
(22 Jul 2020, 10:10 pm)Ryland wrote [ -> ]Giving redcar recent changes I have a few suggestions.
X3/a to resort back via the coast road then via redcar east estate (current 81 route) then normal route to Middlesbrough
81 to continue to serve marske estate. Via redcar road one then onto redcar lane via east hault.
62 resorting to terminating back at new marske. Via ings farm and redcar lane.
64 to terminate at Redcar clock (stop opposite the standard)
62a to serve marske estate (Sunday's only).
(05 Aug 2020, 4:10 pm)col87 wrote [ -> ]Have often wondered why the 63 missed Kirkleatham out it would add what 5 minutes to the the journey time at most. Be handy for people wanting to go to Kirkleatham hall as well.
(05 Aug 2020, 6:26 pm)RobinHood wrote [ -> ]Five minutes would still require another vehicle into the cycle to accommodate.The 81 goes round the village I believe, which probably more than covers the requirement from Redcar.
I suspect it is very unlikely that passenger numbers from Kirkleatham alone could cover the cost of that extra bus needed to serve it.
Fairly obvious answer really.