(05 Aug 2020, 7:38 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]The 81 goes round the village I believe, which probably more than covers the requirement from Redcar.
81 does serve the village plus stops on both ends so anyone who requires the 63 can just walk down the road. Although I've rarely seen anyone get on there
Suggestions for Whitby
94 sleights via Whitby estate
95 leaholm via grosmont
96 park and ride via west cliff to Sainsburys via the town
X93 to continue to stand alone Middlesbrough via guisborough and Scarborough
New x2 service direct service from Whitby to redcar
X4 to continue as it is.
(11 Aug 2020, 1:34 pm)Ryland wrote [ -> ]Suggestions for Whitby
94 sleights via Whitby estate
95 leaholm via grosmont
96 park and ride via west cliff to Sainsburys via the town
X93 to continue to stand alone Middlesbrough via guisborough and Scarborough
New x2 service direct service from Whitby to redcar
X4 to continue as it is.
And how are you going to make the extra 8 or 9 buses required for this pay?
(11 Aug 2020, 3:15 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]And how are you going to make the extra 8 or 9 buses required for this pay?
94/95 interwork 4 solos
96 replaces p1/2 Whitby park and ride Decker
X2 spare temsa/Sapphire spare
Redcar swaps pulsar for jesmond/ ashington streetlite
1759 sent to Yorkshire tiger in place for a spare solo
Service Suggestions for Darlington
Service 3/3A and 19:
The short journeys on service 3 from Darlington to Skerne Park and the 19 from Darlington to West Park be merged to form service 3B. These journeys already interwork, this would simply advertise the cross town connection from Skerne Park to both the General Hospital and West Park Hospital.
Service 4 and 9:
These services would be merged to form new service 9 from Minors Crescent to Springfield. Again these services already interwork it would simply be advertising the fact, promoting cross-town connections as was done with service 2 and service 11 in the past.
Service 8 and 12:
Extend the 8 hourly to Hurworth replacing the short journeys on service 12. The 12 timetable would be revised to fit around service 8 (due to the corridor with the 5/5a/7/X21) and the 8 and 12 would interwork using the same vehicles as now. An additional Pulsar may be required in place of a Solo and so a swap could be arranged with 1409 coming to Darlington in place of 2841. Again this would introduce new cross town connections.
Below doesn't take into account evenings & Sundays but will have a think. All journeys double deck operated.
PVR 306/307/308 = 10x
PVR X38 = 4x (or interworking with another Blyth 'X' service)
Service 306:
- Reduced to every 30 minutes and Tynemouth to Newcastle only.
- Will no longer serve Battle Hill Drive.
- Journeys to Tynemouth operate via Christ Church in North Shields. Journeys towards Newcastle unchanged.
- Journeys will terminate near Hotspur Street in Tynemouth before following the current evening route towards Newcastle via Percy Park Road.
NEW Service 307:
- Every 30 minutes.
- Same route as service 306 between Whitley Bay and Preston Grange Morrisons via Marden Estate. Then via Beach Road to Billy Mill then same route as 306/308 to Newcastle.
Service 308:
- Reduced to every 30 minutes and Whitley Bay Town Centre to Newcastle only.
- Section of route between Blyth and Whitley Bay Town Centre replaced by service X38.
NEW Service X38:
- Every 30 minutes.
- Same route & stopping arrangements as service 308 in current form between Blyth and Billy Mill.
- Limited stop between Billy Mill and Newcastle only calling at Norham Road and Willington Square.
So no Arriva service for Battle Hill is what your trying to to propose?
(19 Sep 2020, 8:34 am)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]So no Arriva service for Battle Hill is what your trying to to propose?
There's virtually no point of the 306 in Battle Hill. Most of Battle Hill can be easily accessed from Willington Square (Tynemet) & St Peters (shops).
Overall PVR for the 306/308 would reduce from 18x vehicles to 14x vehicles (that covers the 306/307/308/X38). Plus, if demand is there and things pick back up again, the X38 could be increased to every 20 minutes which would take PVR to 17x.
New Service 56 (Newcastle): Haymarket - South Gosforth - Four Lane Ends - Benton ASDA - Northumberland Park - Backworth - Seghill
Return of old 723 as X13
(19 Sep 2020, 8:26 am)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Below doesn't take into account evenings & Sundays but will have a think. All journeys double deck operated.
PVR 306/307/308 = 10x
PVR X38 = 4x (or interworking with another Blyth 'X' service)
Service 306:
- Reduced to every 30 minutes and Tynemouth to Newcastle only.
- Will no longer serve Battle Hill Drive.
- Journeys to Tynemouth operate via Christ Church in North Shields. Journeys towards Newcastle unchanged.
- Journeys will terminate near Hotspur Street in Tynemouth before following the current evening route towards Newcastle via Percy Park Road.
NEW Service 307:- Every 30 minutes.
- Same route as service 306 between Whitley Bay and Preston Grange Morrisons via Marden Estate. Then via Beach Road to Billy Mill then same route as 306/308 to Newcastle.
Service 308:- Reduced to every 30 minutes and Whitley Bay Town Centre to Newcastle only.
- Section of route between Blyth and Whitley Bay Town Centre replaced by service X38.
NEW Service X38:- Every 30 minutes.
- Same route & stopping arrangements as service 308 in current form between Blyth and Billy Mill.
- Limited stop between Billy Mill and Newcastle only calling at Norham Road and Willington Square.
You really need to stop looking at these services as Coast Road services and look at the other end for once. The 306 from Billy Mill to Tynemouth is the only bus service for the majority of the route and your planning to give them a 30 minute service and nothing else. The 306 between Tynemouth and Whitley is about creating links inbetween, no-one in their right mind would use it to Newcastle. Marden estate has had numerous buses going direct to Newcastle and they've all ended the same way (failed) there isn't the demand - simply. I never understand your obsession with cutting services which have worked perfectly fine since the 1980's and beyond, usually bus enthiasts want to improve / make things better for the passenger not the pockets of big corporates.
Also the 306 must start at Grand Parade for Longsands beach where it's always started / ended for layover reasons unless your planning to block the road for a bus out of service.
(19 Sep 2020, 10:01 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]New Service 56 (Newcastle): Haymarket - South Gosforth - Four Lane Ends - Benton ASDA - Northumberland Park - Backworth - Seghill
Return of old 723 as X13
That 56 pretty much duplicates the Metro for it's length can't see it being too popular and can't imagine there's much demand between Backworth and Seghill to warrent a bus route sadly.
New Service 50 Circular: Newcastle Haymarket, Newcastle Airport, Ponteland, Berwick Hill, Horton Grange, Stannington, Cramlington, High Pit, Southfield, Regent Centre, Newcastle Haymarket
New Service 50A Circular: Reverse of 50
New Service 6/6A: Cramlington, High Pit, Annitsford, Seghill, Backworth, Northumberland Park, Cobalt, Hadrian Park(6), Howdon (6), Wallsend (6), High Flatworth (6A), Percy Main (6A), North Shields (6A)
Revised Service X6: Cramlington, High Pit, Annitsford, Seghill, Backworth, Northumberland Park, Cobalt, NON STOP, Newcastle Haymarket
(20 Sep 2020, 11:00 am)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]New Service 50 Circular: Newcastle Haymarket, Newcastle Airport, Ponteland, Berwick Hill, Horton Grange, Stannington, Cramlington, High Pit, Southfield, Regent Centre, Newcastle Haymarket
New Service 50A Circular: Reverse of 50
New Service 6/6A: Cramlington, High Pit, Annitsford, Seghill, Backworth, Northumberland Park, Cobalt, Hadrian Park(6), Howdon (6), Wallsend (6), High Flatworth (6A), Percy Main (6A), North Shields (6A)
Revised Service X6: Cramlington, High Pit, Annitsford, Seghill, Backworth, Northumberland Park, Cobalt, NON STOP, Newcastle Haymarket
I don't really see the point in the 6/6A it's basically just the 19 but long winded and the Northern section is subsidised and the whole route is subsidised at night. Similar with the X6, Cramlington has the 19, X10, X11, High Pit the X8, 19, 57/57A and Seghill has the X7, 57A which does most the route and it'll be quicker.
If your aim is to give Backworth another bus service to Newcastle, your best bet would probably be to extend the short 51 round the new housing estate past the Pavillion pub and loop back down via the old road to Northumberland Park or vice versa. If your wanting to give Seghill a link to the Metro then your probably better off looking at a way to link it to Four Lane Ends somehow (without using the X7 - it's slow enough as it is).
I miss the days of the X36!
A direct link between Seaton Delaval/Seghill and Killingworth would be nice to have too.
Dont really use Arriva much,but what about this,im expecting to get slated
42-Haymarket,Town Moor,Gosforth High Street,Regent Centre,Wideopen,Dudley Lane/Green Lane,Annitsford,Seghill,Seaton Deleval,High Pit/Village Road,Manor Walks, possibly interwork with either the 43,52 or 53
51,slight reshuffle,from Holystone serves Northumberland Park,then West Allotment,then continues service as is currently
53,from North Shields extends (hourly) to Whitley Bay via Preston Road North,Preston Grange Morrisons,Preston Grange,Malvern Road,Devon Road,N.T.G.H,Whitley Bay Ice Rink,Whitley Bay, also to additionally serve Northumberland Park
54,to additionally serve Northumberland Park
(21 Sep 2020, 9:26 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Dont really use Arriva much,but what about this,im expecting to get slated
42-Haymarket,Town Moor,Gosforth High Street,Regent Centre,Wideopen,Dudley Lane/Green Lane,Annitsford,Seghill,Seaton Deleval,High Pit/Village Road,Manor Walks, possibly interwork with either the 43,52 or 53
51,slight reshuffle,from Holystone serves Northumberland Park,then West Allotment,then continues service as is currently
53,from North Shields extends (hourly) to Whitley Bay via Preston Road North,Preston Grange Morrisons,Preston Grange,Malvern Road,Devon Road,N.T.G.H,Whitley Bay Ice Rink,Whitley Bay, also to additionally serve Northumberland Park
54,to additionally serve Northumberland Park
I'm from Delaval and tbh don't really see the point in the 42, I'd never use it tbh and can't imagine many others would either. We have the 19/57/57A to Cramlington, 57A to Annitsford and never really had the need to go to Gosforth or the Regent Centre and the Bus/Metro route wouldn't be much longer.
If your interested for here the places that people want are the most in order of most moaned about: (All the villages are Seaton Delaval, Holywell, Seghill and New Hartley)
All The Villages -> North Tyneside Hospital
Holywell -> Newcastle
Seghill -> Northumbria Hospital
New Hartley -> Whitley / North Shields
Seghill -> Metro (not going backwards 15 minutes - (Not X7 diverted))
All The Villages -> Killingworth (But not the X7 diverted)
For your 53 extension I'd extend the 57A instead and you've fixed the biggest moan around here (or do the old 810/811 route and go up to Hospital roundabout and turn back then continue to Morrisons). Arriva used to serve Northumberland Park but then pulled them all pretty much at the same time and it's not far to walk from Sainsburys where the 53 and 54 serve, guessing that's the reason why it's not a very good designed bus stop really and would be better if the bridge was opened up but there's plans to pedestrianise it and remove the 2 concrete walls in the future with the B&T Railway.
(22 Sep 2020, 10:01 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]I'm from Delaval and tbh don't really see the point in the 42, I'd never use it tbh and can't imagine many others would either. We have the 19/57/57A to Cramlington, 57A to Annitsford and never really had the need to go to Gosforth or the Regent Centre and the Bus/Metro route wouldn't be much longer.
If your interested for here the places that people want are the most in order of most moaned about: (All the villages are Seaton Delaval, Holywell, Seghill and New Hartley)
All The Villages -> North Tyneside Hospital
Holywell -> Newcastle
Seghill -> Northumbria Hospital
New Hartley -> Whitley / North Shields
Seghill -> Metro (not going backwards 15 minutes - (Not X7 diverted))
All The Villages -> Killingworth (But not the X7 diverted)
For your 53 extension I'd extend the 57A instead and you've fixed the biggest moan around here (or do the old 810/811 route and go up to Hospital roundabout and turn back then continue to Morrisons). Arriva used to serve Northumberland Park but then pulled them all pretty much at the same time and it's not far to walk from Sainsburys where the 53 and 54 serve, guessing that's the reason why it's not a very good designed bus stop really and would be better if the bridge was opened up but there's plans to pedestrianise it and remove the 2 concrete walls in the future with the B&T Railway.
A few years back, and with my councillor hat on, I did discuss the feasibility along with the local county councillor about direct services to between Seaton Valley and Killingworth with one of the transport officers at NCC. While he agreed there would likely be some demand, he was wary of the potential impact it would have on the 57/57a as it would likely abstract away shoppers going to Cramlington to Killingworth instead. A potential example of the Butterfly effect I guess.
(22 Sep 2020, 10:01 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]I'm from Delaval and tbh don't really see the point in the 42, I'd never use it tbh and can't imagine many others would either. We have the 19/57/57A to Cramlington, 57A to Annitsford and never really had the need to go to Gosforth or the Regent Centre and the Bus/Metro route wouldn't be much longer.
If your interested for here the places that people want are the most in order of most moaned about: (All the villages are Seaton Delaval, Holywell, Seghill and New Hartley)
All The Villages -> North Tyneside Hospital
Holywell -> Newcastle
Seghill -> Northumbria Hospital
New Hartley -> Whitley / North Shields
Seghill -> Metro (not going backwards 15 minutes - (Not X7 diverted))
All The Villages -> Killingworth (But not the X7 diverted)
For your 53 extension I'd extend the 57A instead and you've fixed the biggest moan around here (or do the old 810/811 route and go up to Hospital roundabout and turn back then continue to Morrisons). Arriva used to serve Northumberland Park but then pulled them all pretty much at the same time and it's not far to walk from Sainsburys where the 53 and 54 serve, guessing that's the reason why it's not a very good designed bus stop really and would be better if the bridge was opened up but there's plans to pedestrianise it and remove the 2 concrete walls in the future with the B&T Railway.
Would there be any demand to send a service to Wallsend, if you found a way to incorporate other peoples ideas as well
(22 Sep 2020, 4:38 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]Would there be any demand to send a service to Wallsend, if you found a way to incorporate other peoples ideas as well
Theres the 553 that could be tinkered with
(22 Sep 2020, 1:24 pm)solsburian wrote [ -> ]A few years back, and with my councillor hat on, I did discuss the feasibility along with the local county councillor about direct services to between Seaton Valley and Killingworth with one of the transport officers at NCC. While he agreed there would likely be some demand, he was wary of the potential impact it would have on the 57/57a as it would likely abstract away shoppers going to Cramlington to Killingworth instead. A potential example of the Butterfly effect I guess.
Yeah it's probably a valid point though tbf, it'll be mostly pensioners using it and they're pretty much the ones using it to Cramlington most the time really.
(22 Sep 2020, 4:38 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]Would there be any demand to send a service to Wallsend, if you found a way to incorporate other peoples ideas as well
Where from Seaton Valley? If so, not really tbh. Nothing at Wallsend for us really, the locals are more likely to choose Cramlington, Whitley Bay, Blyth, Monkseaton Sainsbury's or Newcastle which would be closer and have more there (no offence to Wallsend) and we have the 57 to the Metro then Metro from there which would be likely as quick anyway. NT Hospital is the big one though from pensioners and taking the 363/X4/X7 off Tillmouth Avenue.
(22 Sep 2020, 5:56 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Yeah it's probably a valid point though tbf, it'll be mostly pensioners using it and they're pretty much the ones using it to Cramlington most the time really.
Don't get me wrong I would like to see it someday (along with the resurrection of the X36, one can dream), perhaps as a "Seaton Valley Circular" between Blyth, Cramlington and Killingworth (and perhaps Whitley Bay). That is probably enough blue sky thinking for the day though.
Extend 553 to Blyth. I'll leave the route up the arriva regulars.
(22 Sep 2020, 7:04 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]Extend 553 to Blyth. I'll leave the route up the arriva regulars.
Honestly if I was going extend the 553 I'd look at going the opposite way such as
https://goo.gl/maps/V4xFvAitRstP6Aov8.
It gives Red House Farm a new link to Kingston Park, gives the new housing estate with no bus links at all a bus and Broadway West another service other than the 33A plus new links to the Freeman and more links to Asda at Gosforth and Kingston Park from other places without a change even known it's a bit long winded.
(22 Sep 2020, 5:56 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Yeah it's probably a valid point though tbf, it'll be mostly pensioners using it and they're pretty much the ones using it to Cramlington most the time really.
Where from Seaton Valley? If so, not really tbh. Nothing at Wallsend for us really, the locals are more likely to choose Cramlington, Whitley Bay, Blyth, Monkseaton Sainsbury's or Newcastle which would be closer and have more there (no offence to Wallsend) and we have the 57 to the Metro then Metro from there which would be likely as quick anyway. NT Hospital is the big one though from pensioners and taking the 363/X4/X7 off Tillmouth Avenue.
Could the 316/318 routes be feasable with modifactions (to NT Hospital, Whitley, etc...) Anybody use them at the time?
(22 Sep 2020, 10:37 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]Could the 316/318 routes be feasable with modifactions (to NT Hospital, Whitley, etc...) Anybody use them at the time?
I can't see them being too popular from Delaval's perspective as we have the 19 or X7 which are both quicker the only really new link is Newsham you might pick up a few from Seghill wanting to go to the Metro though.
The 318 is very similar to the 19 aswell which is heavily subsidised North of Northumberland Park so it probably gives an idea of the numbers.
The 2 routes route here if you want something to play around with are the 58 which is hopeless and carries fresh air and maybe an extension to the short 57A somewhere.
Across the border in North Tyneside you've got the W1, W2, W3, 51 (shorts) and 59 you could easily play around with as they're all heavily subsidised as they just don't work and usually carry fresh air aswell.
(23 Sep 2020, 6:47 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]I can't see them being too popular from Delaval's perspective as we have the 19 or X7 which are both quicker the only really new link is Newsham you might pick up a few from Seghill wanting to go to the Metro though.
The 318 is very similar to the 19 aswell which is heavily subsidised North of Northumberland Park so it probably gives an idea of the numbers.
The 2 routes route here if you want something to play around with are the 58 which is hopeless and carries fresh air and maybe an extension to the short 57A somewhere.
Across the border in North Tyneside you've got the W1, W2, W3, 51 (shorts) and 359 you could easily play around with as they're all heavily subsidised as they just don't work and usually carry fresh air aswell.
There's probably something on here that may be of use:
https://web.archive.org/web/200407222213...les.co.uk/
Was thinking about the GNE X11 this morning and other routes or areas of the NE that could be exploited this summer.
Looking at North Northumberland, up to Seahouses, you could realistically add 2 to the PVR of the X18 and X20 (1 per route, to be honest only really a PVR increase of 1 over the usual summer) to achieve the following:
X18 up to Berwick every 2 hours as per 2019.
X20 up to Seahouses ever 2 hours (northbound dep Alnwick xx:35, arr Seahouses xx:34, dep Seahouses xx:36, arr Alnwick xx:35)
Gives a combined Alnwick to Seahouses frequency of every hour (unevenly split). Opens up an easy avenue up the coast for those living in Ashington, Ellington, Lynemouth and the caravan parks around that area. Equally gives a better option for the hop on hop off day tickets up there for people who want to do so.
I'd hope they also look at bringing back the every 20 minutes X93 between Whitby and S'Boro.
(09 Mar 2021, 4:15 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Was thinking about the GNE X11 this morning and other routes or areas of the NE that could be exploited this summer.
Looking at North Northumberland, up to Seahouses, you could realistically add 2 to the PVR of the X18 and X20 (1 per route, to be honest only really a PVR increase of 1 over the usual summer) to achieve the following:
X18 up to Berwick every 2 hours as per 2019.
X20 up to Seahouses ever 2 hours (northbound dep Alnwick xx:35, arr Seahouses xx:34, dep Seahouses xx:36, arr Alnwick xx:35)
Gives a combined Alnwick to Seahouses frequency of every hour (unevenly split). Opens up an easy avenue up the coast for those living in Ashington, Ellington, Lynemouth and the caravan parks around that area. Equally gives a better option for the hop on hop off day tickets up there for people who want to do so.
I'd hope they also look at bringing back the every 20 minutes X93 between Whitby and S'Boro.
Isn't there the 418 which runs in between the X18 runs to do a bus every hour service up there already between Alnwick and Belford.
I don't disagree with the hourly runs up there but I'd say run the X15 shorts up instead of the X20. It's almost 40 minutes quicker between Newcastle and Alnwick and is a big difference when making a long journey all the way upto Seahouses.
I know there's some on here who enjoy riding around the world on buses but 3 hours is too long for the majority of people but I'd be tempted to do something like
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.60776...d6!1m0!3e0 and give a much quicker service up to Bamburgh instead every 2 hours rather than an uneven hourly service from Amble etc. I tried to jam Craster in but it takes too long.
(09 Mar 2021, 5:08 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Isn't there the 418 which runs in between the X18 runs to do a bus every hour service up there already between Alnwick and Belford.
I don't disagree with the hourly runs up there but I'd say run the X15 shorts up instead of the X20. It's almost 40 minutes quicker between Newcastle and Alnwick and is a big difference when making a long journey all the way upto Seahouses.
I know there's some on here who enjoy riding around the world on buses but 3 hours is too long for the majority of people but I'd be tempted to do something like https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.60776...d6!1m0!3e0 and give a much quicker service up to Bamburgh instead every 2 hours rather than an uneven hourly service from Amble etc. I tried to jam Craster in but it takes too long.
Yeah there is the 418, but I believe it still uses Solos - not ideal for the loads you'd hope to get (or have the potential to).
I had thought about running the X15 shorts up, but then you'd miss out on a direct journey from Ashington/Ellington/Lynemouth and some of the caravan parks around there, for the sake of Felton and Shilbottle? If done properly you'd ensure a connection from the X15s onto the Berwick X18s at Alnwick. My initial suggestion was more to target villages and towns up the coast than to target the Newcastle section anyway, so from Ashington north the most you'd be on the bus for would be 2 hours which is similar to the X93.
I tried to think of a way to find the time to get the X20 suggestion to Bamburgh, I think as you've shown on that link the only way to really do it is miss out Craster, but then that's potentially one of the main places you'd want to send it? By my reckoning you'd need to find approximately 20 minutes, and there's nowhere along the route where you could realistically cut if you're wanting to promote the coast. Even omitting the Craster section would only gain about 14 minutes.
Edit: I do like your way out of Alnwick. I've often thought that with a bit of creative thinking it would be great to find a way to serve the entrance to the Gardens directly and market the hell out of it. Folk going in cars seeing a double decker stopping outside during the summer on a reasonably frequent service would likely think about it for their next visit, especially if they live on the route. Most X18s that don't extend to Berwick have 8 minutes layover at Alnwick Bus Station, if we assume it's a 5 minute diversion to the Gardens then it is certainly doable.
