- Service 306 would operate every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday and every 30 minutes evenings and Sundays between Tynemouth and Newcastle. Would no longer interwork with the X9.
- Service 308 would continue the same as now but with minor timetable changes to improve reliability.
- NEW service X38 would be introduced replacing the 306 from Whitley Bay and Marden and providing new and faster links. Buses would operate every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime via the current 306 route to Hartburn Road from Whitley Bay then up to Rake Lane and from there, following the 308 route to Billy Mill before running limited stop to St Mary's Place and Haymarket only calling at Willington Square. The PVR would be 3 and X9 journeys would interwork of this service according to the direction.
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(07 Sep 2014, 4:21 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote [ -> ]- NEW service X38 would be introduced replacing the 306 from Whitley Bay and Marden and providing new and faster links. Buses would operate every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime via the current 306 route to Hartburn Road from Whitley Bay then up to Rake Lane and from there, following the 308 route to Billy Mill before running limited stop to St Mary's Place and Haymarket only calling at Willington Square. The PVR would be 3 and X9 journeys would interwork of this service according to the direction.
Is this not roughly the old 44....which they got rid of because it was not making money?
(07 Sep 2014, 4:37 pm)citaro5284 wrote [ -> ]Is this not roughly the old 44....which they got rid of because it was not making money?
Basically, the reason the 44 wasn't making money was because it was serving New York and Norham Road. However, this service would combine the best elements of the 44 whilst serving key stops along some of the 306 route and 308 route whilst making money. It would also relieve the pressure on the 308 and improve timekeeping on both the 306 / 308.
To follow up on this post from the 'Latest' thread:
(07 Sep 2014, 11:06 am)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Oh yeah, nearly all I see are busy however a couple I've seen have been pretty empty for the duration (however I've only seen this on the 2)
Instead of replacing the 20 I would suggest extending that to Alnwick , as the 420 used to, this would hopefully relieve the X15/X18 also and keeping the 1 as it is, after all extending it back to Amble (as I believe it used to) could only hinder reliability?
I have looked at theoretically extending the 20 to Alnwick. In short, to allow that, you will also notice the X20 frequency increase to every 30 minutes.
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The service would require 6 buses - one of which, to save on light mileage, would more than likely join the X15 and X18 at the outstation at Rothbury Motors' Alnwick depot.
(07 Sep 2014, 5:19 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]To follow up on this post from the 'Latest' thread:
I have looked at theoretically extending the 20 to Alnwick. In short, to allow that, you will also notice the X20 frequency increase to every 30 minutes.
The service would require 6 buses - one of which, to save on light mileage, would more than likely join the X15 and X18 at the outstation at Rothbury Motors' Alnwick depot.
Very good. I would add to that and suggest that every hour, the X21 arrives 5 mins before the X20 towards Newcastle and 5 mins after the X20 towards Newbigggin with through fares available. It would allow passengers from Newbiggin a faster journey time to and from Newcastle.
(07 Sep 2014, 5:19 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]To follow up on this post from the 'Latest' thread:
I have looked at theoretically extending the 20 to Alnwick. In short, to allow that, you will also notice the X20 frequency increase to every 30 minutes.
The service would require 6 buses - one of which, to save on light mileage, would more than likely join the X15 and X18 at the outstation at Rothbury Motors' Alnwick depot.
Thank you for spending the time to create a timetable!
As you've increased the frequency of the X20 as well it looks like it would benefit everyone hugely. It looks like it has the same, if not a quicker, journey time from Newcastle to Alnwick as the X18 again giving more options
(07 Sep 2014, 5:42 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Thank you for spending the time to create a timetable!
As you've increased the frequency of the X20 as well it looks like it would benefit everyone hugely. It looks like it has the same, if not a quicker, journey time from Newcastle to Alnwick as the X18 again giving more options
Maybe the X16 could be scrapped then if that was to happen.
My other suggestions plus the 20/X20 would work very well. Possibly a service from Morpeth-Widdrington Estate interworking with the 33 too.
(07 Sep 2014, 6:00 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]Maybe the X16 could be scrapped then if that was to happen.
My other suggestions plus the 20/X20 would work very well. Possibly a service from Morpeth-Widdrington Estate interworking with the 33 too.
If anything, any new service from Morpeth would interwork with the short X14 as part of the MAX branding.
(07 Sep 2014, 6:03 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]If anything, any new service from Morpeth would interwork with the short X14 as part of the MAX branding.
Or it could be a service directly from Newcastle to Widdrington Estate?
So:
1: Amble-Blyth
2: Morpeth Kirkhill-Blyth
14: Morpeth-Thropton
X14: Newcastle-Morpeth
X15 Newcastle-Berwick (via A1)
X16: Newcastle-Widdrington Est
X18: Newcastle-Berwick (via the coast)
(07 Sep 2014, 6:06 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]Or it could be a service directly from Newcastle to Widdrington Estate?
So:
1: Amble-Blyth
2: Morpeth Kirkhill-Blyth
14: Morpeth-Thropton
X14: Newcastle-Morpeth
X15 Newcastle-Berwick (via A1)
X16: Newcastle-Widdrington Est
X18: Newcastle-Berwick (via the coast)
More than likely:
1: Blyth-Wansbeck Hospital or Widdrington Estate
2: Morpeth Kirkhall-Blyth
14: Morpeth-Thropton
33: Morpeth Town Service
57: North Seaton-Whitley Bay (Cramlington-North Shields eve/Sun)
57A: Morpeth-Whitley Bay
X14: Newcastle-Morepth
X15 Newcastle-Berwick (via A1)
X16: Newcastle-Belford (Summer only)
X17: Newcastle-Widdrington Est
X18: Newcastle-Berwick (via the coast)
(07 Sep 2014, 6:19 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]More than likely:
1: Blyth-Wansbeck Hospital or Widdrington Estate
2: Morpeth Kirkhall-Blyth
14: Morpeth-Thropton
33: Morpeth Town Service
57: North Seaton-Whitley Bay (Cramlington-North Shields eve/Sun)
57A: Morpeth-Whitley Bay
X14: Newcastle-Morepth
X15 Newcastle-Berwick (via A1)
X16: Newcastle-Belford (Summer only)
X17: Newcastle-Widdrington Est
X18: Newcastle-Berwick (via the coast)
Sounds good - I'll see if I can put a few timetables together.
And to follow on from that......
Here is the prosed X17 timetable - the PVR would be 2
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(07 Sep 2014, 7:18 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]And to follow on from that......
Here is the prosed X17 timetable - the PVR would be 2
Nice work. Sounds good to me!
The look very professional.
(07 Sep 2014, 7:21 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Operated by MPD's?
Was thinking more of Solos done to MAX specification - as below
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(07 Sep 2014, 7:24 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]Nice work. Sounds good to me!
The look very professional.
Wouldn't think that is I revealed it was created on Excel
Maybe you could have ago at creating the X15/X18 timetable?
X15 - Newcastle - Morpeth - A1 - Alnwick - Belford - Berwick
X18 - Newcastle - Morpeth - Felton - Shilbottle - Alnwick - The Coast - Berwick
Maybe someone could try and work out a new service that can link the x20 route to the 35 like
Newcastle -regent centre -a1- a19 --spine road to ashington 35 stand then pegswood to morpeth
(07 Sep 2014, 5:19 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]To follow up on this post from the 'Latest' thread:
I have looked at theoretically extending the 20 to Alnwick. In short, to allow that, you will also notice the X20 frequency increase to every 30 minutes.
The service would require 6 buses - one of which, to save on light mileage, would more than likely join the X15 and X18 at the outstation at Rothbury Motors' Alnwick depot.
You have the X20 leaving Alnwick at roughly the same time as the X18 so having 2 buses running between Alnwick and Widdrington together.
(07 Sep 2014, 10:20 pm)coldav wrote [ -> ]You have the X20 leaving Alnwick at roughly the same time as the X18 so having 2 buses running between Alnwick and Widdrington together.
That will be amended tomorrow - once I've worked out the best way to do so.
You's should put these forward to Arriva.
(07 Sep 2014, 11:08 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]That will be amended tomorrow - once I've worked out the best way to do so.
He wouldn't need to - because the X18 would operate via Felton and Shilbottle as a result.
(08 Sep 2014, 7:11 am)Tom wrote [ -> ]He wouldn't need to - because the X18 would operate via Felton and Shilbottle as a result.
No, I don't plan to re-route the X18 as a result of extending the 20 to Alnwick - or do Pegswood and Widdrington not justify a service to Alnwick
(08 Sep 2014, 8:27 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]No, I don't plan to re-route the X18 as a result of extending the 20 to Alnwick - or do Pegswood and Widdrington not justify a service to Alnwick
I would keep it not just for that reason alone but to also form a combined 30 min frequency between Widdrington and Alnwick via Amble.
(07 Sep 2014, 11:08 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]That will be amended tomorrow - once I've worked out the best way to do so.
Amended as said - down to just the full journeys here (requiring 4 buses rather than the 5 of the original proposal timetable). Going northwards, the 20 and X18 combined to give a half hourly service between Amble and Alnwick but coming back from Alnwick, the 20 runs 20 minutes behind the X18.
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And, as another one, from an issue raised yesterday as well:
(07 Sep 2014, 10:14 am)Tom wrote [ -> ]However, the 1 was very late from Ashington, and sadly it was those horrid ALX200's. I really think something needs to be done to improve the reliability on the 1, and possibly some bigger buses as there was standees from Bedlington to Blyth. The 2, however was on time, it some bigger buses also. Maybe it could be jointly operated by Ashington and Blyth, with them interworking at Blyth to allow a longer was 1773, and was quite overcrowded so possibly it could do with layover.
In a bid to improve reliability on the 1 and additionally to allow extra journeys to run on the X20, the Ashington-Widdrington Estate secition of the 1 would instead link onto the 'new' X20 trips as the 20A.
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(08 Sep 2014, 2:24 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]And, as another one, from an issue raised yesterday as well:
In a bid to improve reliability on the 1 and additionally to allow extra journeys to run on the X20, the Ashington-Widdrington Estate secition of the 1 would instead link onto the 'new' X20 trips as the 20A.
So the 1 would operate between Wansbeck Hospital and Blyth only?
Also, the X17 could be scrapped as a result.
(08 Sep 2014, 2:47 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]So the 1 would operate between Wansbeck Hospital and Blyth only?
Also, the X17 could be scrapped as a result.
No, X17 would still run to provide the Estate with a direct service to Morpeth and Newcastle (and retain the 15 minutely Newcastle-Morpeth frequency).
And yes, the 1 would as a result only run between Wansbeck Hospital and Blyth.
(08 Sep 2014, 2:49 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]No, X17 would still run to provide the Estate with a direct service to Morpeth and Newcastle (and retain the 15 minutely Newcastle-Morpeth frequency).
And yes, the 1 would as a result only run between Wansbeck Hospital and Blyth.
Oh right. Maybe the 1 could be partly operated by Ashington and partly by Blyth so the reliability can be improved (interworking with the 2).
Also, are you sending them to Arriva?
(08 Sep 2014, 2:54 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]Oh right. Maybe the 1 could be partly operated by Ashington and partly by Blyth so the reliability can be improved (interworking with the 2).
Also, are you sending them to Arriva?
No, the 1 would remain entirely operated by Blyth depot given the PVR increase at Ashington (under the plan, Blyth's would decrease by 1 while Ashington increases by 5 - 1 on the X20/20, 3 on the X20/20a and 1 on X17, the other X17 would be a reallocated vehicle from the present 33/57a/X14 rota).
As for sending them to Arriva, I have other means of possibly passing them to Arriva