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Michael



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28 Nov 2017, 10:25 pm #321
(28 Nov 2017, 8:13 pm)Malarkey The first of the new angels has been spotted (NK67 GMX) with the same livery as the existing B5LH's - https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N...ateposted/

Donrobni has mentioned in the comments, that he photoed 2 more too.
Edited 28 Nov 2017, 10:43 pm by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
28 Nov 2017, 10:25 pm #321

(28 Nov 2017, 8:13 pm)Malarkey The first of the new angels has been spotted (NK67 GMX) with the same livery as the existing B5LH's - https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N...ateposted/

Donrobni has mentioned in the comments, that he photoed 2 more too.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

busmanT



933
28 Nov 2017, 10:34 pm #322
(28 Nov 2017, 10:25 pm)Michael Donrobni has mentioned on the comments, that he photoed 2 more too.

Glazed upper deck front corner panels like the X9 X10 buses.
busmanT
28 Nov 2017, 10:34 pm #322

(28 Nov 2017, 10:25 pm)Michael Donrobni has mentioned on the comments, that he photoed 2 more too.

Glazed upper deck front corner panels like the X9 X10 buses.

28 Nov 2017, 10:48 pm #323
(28 Nov 2017, 9:18 pm)JP6004 Yes probaby see 5305-5309 transferring to Riverside. No doubt 1 or 2 as spares

But then what would go on the 35? I'd have thought 5323 and possibly 5324 would possibly join the crusader brand (depending on how many the PVR increases by although I can't see it being more then 2) Then having the older Merc's as spares at Riverside
Dans_bus_photos
28 Nov 2017, 10:48 pm #323

(28 Nov 2017, 9:18 pm)JP6004 Yes probaby see 5305-5309 transferring to Riverside. No doubt 1 or 2 as spares

But then what would go on the 35? I'd have thought 5323 and possibly 5324 would possibly join the crusader brand (depending on how many the PVR increases by although I can't see it being more then 2) Then having the older Merc's as spares at Riverside

Dan

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18,116
29 Nov 2017, 6:23 am #324
(28 Nov 2017, 8:13 pm)Malarkey The first of the new angels has been spotted (NK67 GMX) with the same livery as the existing B5LH's - https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N...ateposted/

This one is 6319.
Dan
29 Nov 2017, 6:23 am #324

(28 Nov 2017, 8:13 pm)Malarkey The first of the new angels has been spotted (NK67 GMX) with the same livery as the existing B5LH's - https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N...ateposted/

This one is 6319.

29 Nov 2017, 3:28 pm #325
3983 has had it's Soccer Bus vinyls applied.


RBZ5459 | flickr | THV

RBZ 5459
29 Nov 2017, 3:28 pm #325

3983 has had it's Soccer Bus vinyls applied.



RBZ5459 | flickr | THV

Dan

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18,116
29 Nov 2017, 5:17 pm #326
(29 Nov 2017, 3:28 pm)RBZ 5459 3983 has had it's Soccer Bus vinyls applied.

A name of the past - "Match Day Park & Ride" is the new 'brand' name.

Advert frames removed today to accommodate the branding.
Dan
29 Nov 2017, 5:17 pm #326

(29 Nov 2017, 3:28 pm)RBZ 5459 3983 has had it's Soccer Bus vinyls applied.

A name of the past - "Match Day Park & Ride" is the new 'brand' name.

Advert frames removed today to accommodate the branding.

Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2017, 6:33 pm #327
(28 Nov 2017, 10:25 pm)Michael Donrobni has mentioned in the comments, that he photoed 2 more too.

Here is the other photo....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N...datetaken/

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2017, 6:33 pm #327

(28 Nov 2017, 10:25 pm)Michael Donrobni has mentioned in the comments, that he photoed 2 more too.

Here is the other photo....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N...datetaken/


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,116
29 Nov 2017, 6:39 pm #328
(29 Nov 2017, 6:33 pm)Michael Here is the other photo....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N...datetaken/

He's unfortunately missed the good side - with the glass staircase!
Dan
29 Nov 2017, 6:39 pm #328

(29 Nov 2017, 6:33 pm)Michael Here is the other photo....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N...datetaken/

He's unfortunately missed the good side - with the glass staircase!

JP6004



1,833
29 Nov 2017, 7:02 pm #329
(29 Nov 2017, 6:39 pm)Dan He's unfortunately missed the good side - with the glass staircase!

Travelled on the 26 last week in Edinburgh and i think the glass staircase is a good idea. Also seems to be dimmer lights on upper  which i found quite cosy. Like the double screens also with the travel disruption info.

Do these have tables like the other streetdecks?
JP6004
29 Nov 2017, 7:02 pm #329

(29 Nov 2017, 6:39 pm)Dan He's unfortunately missed the good side - with the glass staircase!

Travelled on the 26 last week in Edinburgh and i think the glass staircase is a good idea. Also seems to be dimmer lights on upper  which i found quite cosy. Like the double screens also with the travel disruption info.

Do these have tables like the other streetdecks?

Dan

Site Administrator

18,116
29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm #330
(29 Nov 2017, 7:02 pm)JP6004 Travelled on the 26 last week in Edinburgh and i think the glass staircase is a good idea. Also seems to be dimmer lights on upper  which i found quite cosy. Like the double screens also with the travel disruption info.

Do these have tables like the other streetdecks?

Yes, Lothian are really leading the way with passenger information.

They've spent a huge amount of money on Hanover LED displays and Next Stop Announcements. Very big contract. Their media is all being programmed by Hanover directly rather than Lothian employing someone to do it, I understand. Lothian are also pulling the strings with development work too - which obviously other operators will benefit from, but it mightn't be catered to other operators' needs.

Yes, tables on these too.
Dan
29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm #330

(29 Nov 2017, 7:02 pm)JP6004 Travelled on the 26 last week in Edinburgh and i think the glass staircase is a good idea. Also seems to be dimmer lights on upper  which i found quite cosy. Like the double screens also with the travel disruption info.

Do these have tables like the other streetdecks?

Yes, Lothian are really leading the way with passenger information.

They've spent a huge amount of money on Hanover LED displays and Next Stop Announcements. Very big contract. Their media is all being programmed by Hanover directly rather than Lothian employing someone to do it, I understand. Lothian are also pulling the strings with development work too - which obviously other operators will benefit from, but it mightn't be catered to other operators' needs.

Yes, tables on these too.

missedbus



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29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm #331
(28 Nov 2017, 10:48 pm)Dans_bus_photos But then what would go on the 35? I'd have thought 5323 and possibly 5324 would possibly join the crusader brand (depending on how many the PVR increases by although I can't see it being more then 2) Then having the older Merc's as spares at Riverside

Would need more than 2 extra to make it every 10 minutes on existing route. Can see at least 4 being required, as the 88 route from Jarrow to South Shields takes twice the time of the current 27.

What about Versas for the 35? ;-)
missedbus
29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm #331

(28 Nov 2017, 10:48 pm)Dans_bus_photos But then what would go on the 35? I'd have thought 5323 and possibly 5324 would possibly join the crusader brand (depending on how many the PVR increases by although I can't see it being more then 2) Then having the older Merc's as spares at Riverside

Would need more than 2 extra to make it every 10 minutes on existing route. Can see at least 4 being required, as the 88 route from Jarrow to South Shields takes twice the time of the current 27.

What about Versas for the 35? ;-)

Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm #332
(29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm)Dan Yes, Lothian are really leading the way with passenger information.

They've spent a huge amount of money on Hanover LED displays and Next Stop Announcements. Very big contract. Their media is all being programmed by Hanover directly rather than Lothian employing someone to do it, I understand. Lothian are also pulling the strings with development work too - which obviously other operators will benefit from, but it mightn't be catered to other operators' needs.

Yes, tables on these too.

I'm surprised, i thought they would of wanted all the seats they could get on them.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm #332

(29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm)Dan Yes, Lothian are really leading the way with passenger information.

They've spent a huge amount of money on Hanover LED displays and Next Stop Announcements. Very big contract. Their media is all being programmed by Hanover directly rather than Lothian employing someone to do it, I understand. Lothian are also pulling the strings with development work too - which obviously other operators will benefit from, but it mightn't be catered to other operators' needs.

Yes, tables on these too.

I'm surprised, i thought they would of wanted all the seats they could get on them.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,116
29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm #333
(29 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm)Michael I'm surprised, i thought they would of wanted all the seats they could get on them.

The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).
Dan
29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm #333

(29 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm)Michael I'm surprised, i thought they would of wanted all the seats they could get on them.

The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2017, 7:21 pm #334
(29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm)Dan The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

Ah right, thanks, is the tables going to be branded like the ones on the X9/X10?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2017, 7:21 pm #334

(29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm)Dan The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

Ah right, thanks, is the tables going to be branded like the ones on the X9/X10?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2017, 7:32 pm #335
Was told that the 516 will be moving to Deptford, when it does, will the Solo allocated to it, move to Deptford?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2017, 7:32 pm #335

Was told that the 516 will be moving to Deptford, when it does, will the Solo allocated to it, move to Deptford?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

cbma06



2,669
29 Nov 2017, 7:48 pm #336
(29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm)missedbus Would need more than 2 extra to make it every 10 minutes on existing route. Can see at least 4 being required, as the 88 route from Jarrow to South Shields takes twice the time of the current 27.

What about Versas for the 35? ;-)


Deptford is versa free depot, probably the South Tyne versas would go to Chester for service 28


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cbma06
29 Nov 2017, 7:48 pm #336

(29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm)missedbus Would need more than 2 extra to make it every 10 minutes on existing route. Can see at least 4 being required, as the 88 route from Jarrow to South Shields takes twice the time of the current 27.

What about Versas for the 35? ;-)


Deptford is versa free depot, probably the South Tyne versas would go to Chester for service 28


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Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2017, 7:54 pm #337
(29 Nov 2017, 7:48 pm)cbma06 Deptford is versa free depot, probably the South Tyne versas would go to Chester for service 28


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Ye they should be heading that way.


5 on the 28/28A
1 for the 34 i would imagine
1 extra spare for Chester
1 to remain at Riverside 


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Does anyone know where the Versa's from the 67/69 are temperately moving too?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2017, 7:54 pm #337

(29 Nov 2017, 7:48 pm)cbma06 Deptford is versa free depot, probably the South Tyne versas would go to Chester for service 28


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Ye they should be heading that way.


5 on the 28/28A
1 for the 34 i would imagine
1 extra spare for Chester
1 to remain at Riverside 


---------


Does anyone know where the Versa's from the 67/69 are temperately moving too?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

JP6004



1,833
29 Nov 2017, 8:02 pm #338
(29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm)Dan The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

Would of been nice to have same capacity as X10 B5s  but still a big upgrade to the the B5H

(29 Nov 2017, 7:54 pm)Michael Ye they should be heading that way.


5 on the 28/28A
1 for the 34 i would imagine
1 extra spare for Chester
1 to remain at Riverside 


---------


Does anyone know where the Versa's from the 67/69 are temperately moving too?


Maybe to allow the 4 citaros to go for warranty repaint
Edited 29 Nov 2017, 8:09 pm by JP6004.
JP6004
29 Nov 2017, 8:02 pm #338

(29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm)Dan The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

Would of been nice to have same capacity as X10 B5s  but still a big upgrade to the the B5H

(29 Nov 2017, 7:54 pm)Michael Ye they should be heading that way.


5 on the 28/28A
1 for the 34 i would imagine
1 extra spare for Chester
1 to remain at Riverside 


---------


Does anyone know where the Versa's from the 67/69 are temperately moving too?


Maybe to allow the 4 citaros to go for warranty repaint

ne14ne1



1,514
29 Nov 2017, 9:18 pm #339
(28 Nov 2017, 9:37 pm)northern156 Can't help but think that dual door vehicles would suit the 21 much more. Thoughts?

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Would have LOVED to see dual doors but didn't think it'd happen.

My views from using TfL buses are that the lower decks always seem more spacious, more standing room and obviously dwell time at stops is reduced through boarding and alighting happening at the same time. When I come back home it just feels like our single door buses are slow and old-hat - I don't get the impression of a modern 'rapid transit' solution.
Through audio/visual tech GNE could quite easily have the NSAs recorded as something on the lines of 'Next Stop, Newcastle Eldon Sq where this bus terminates, please exit via the front doors at this stop' - to solve the termination point issues.
As for access/heightened kerbs - disabled people could have always exited via the front like wheelchair users if the bus's kneeling feature wasn't enough for them. However most non-wheelchair users manage to exit via the centre doors in London though, where kerbs are not heightened.

I'm sure when the Citylink58 bendies were running, (good times Heart), some bus stops had alterations made to allow either for the length of them, or their 3 sets of doors - correct me if I'm wrong? Not sure if it was GNE and/or local authorities who paid for the work. But council's probably have no funds for that sort of thing anymore. (Although I bet if GNE stopped repainting everything every 5 minutes they could easily pay for changes lol Wink ).

Maybe it would be different if there were proper conversations/longer term plans between the likes of GNE and councils to say, "look, all future bus orders will have double doors as we want public transport to be inviting, quick and easy to use - what can we do to accommodate them kerbside"?

Does anyone know anything about Go Brighton & Hove's recent introduction of dual door buses - what was the thinking behind it / did railings or kerbs have to be altered etc?
Edited 29 Nov 2017, 9:20 pm by ne14ne1.
ne14ne1
29 Nov 2017, 9:18 pm #339

(28 Nov 2017, 9:37 pm)northern156 Can't help but think that dual door vehicles would suit the 21 much more. Thoughts?

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Would have LOVED to see dual doors but didn't think it'd happen.

My views from using TfL buses are that the lower decks always seem more spacious, more standing room and obviously dwell time at stops is reduced through boarding and alighting happening at the same time. When I come back home it just feels like our single door buses are slow and old-hat - I don't get the impression of a modern 'rapid transit' solution.
Through audio/visual tech GNE could quite easily have the NSAs recorded as something on the lines of 'Next Stop, Newcastle Eldon Sq where this bus terminates, please exit via the front doors at this stop' - to solve the termination point issues.
As for access/heightened kerbs - disabled people could have always exited via the front like wheelchair users if the bus's kneeling feature wasn't enough for them. However most non-wheelchair users manage to exit via the centre doors in London though, where kerbs are not heightened.

I'm sure when the Citylink58 bendies were running, (good times Heart), some bus stops had alterations made to allow either for the length of them, or their 3 sets of doors - correct me if I'm wrong? Not sure if it was GNE and/or local authorities who paid for the work. But council's probably have no funds for that sort of thing anymore. (Although I bet if GNE stopped repainting everything every 5 minutes they could easily pay for changes lol Wink ).

Maybe it would be different if there were proper conversations/longer term plans between the likes of GNE and councils to say, "look, all future bus orders will have double doors as we want public transport to be inviting, quick and easy to use - what can we do to accommodate them kerbside"?

Does anyone know anything about Go Brighton & Hove's recent introduction of dual door buses - what was the thinking behind it / did railings or kerbs have to be altered etc?

Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2017, 10:23 pm #340
(29 Nov 2017, 8:02 pm)JP6004 Would of been nice to have same capacity as X10 B5s  but still a big upgrade to the the B5H

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Maybe to allow the 4 citaros to go for warranty repaint

Maybe, didn't think of that.
Edited 29 Nov 2017, 10:23 pm by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2017, 10:23 pm #340

(29 Nov 2017, 8:02 pm)JP6004 Would of been nice to have same capacity as X10 B5s  but still a big upgrade to the the B5H

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Maybe to allow the 4 citaros to go for warranty repaint

Maybe, didn't think of that.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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