(28 Nov 2017, 10:48 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote But then what would go on the 35? I'd have thought 5323 and possibly 5324 would possibly join the crusader brand (depending on how many the PVR increases by although I can't see it being more then 2) Then having the older Merc's as spares at Riverside

Would need more than 2 extra to make it every 10 minutes on existing route. Can see at least 4 being required, as the 88 route from Jarrow to South Shields takes twice the time of the current 27.

What about Versas for the 35? ;-)

(29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm)Dan wrote Yes, Lothian are really leading the way with passenger information.

They've spent a huge amount of money on Hanover LED displays and Next Stop Announcements. Very big contract. Their media is all being programmed by Hanover directly rather than Lothian employing someone to do it, I understand. Lothian are also pulling the strings with development work too - which obviously other operators will benefit from, but it mightn't be catered to other operators' needs.

Yes, tables on these too.

I'm surprised, i thought they would of wanted all the seats they could get on them.

(29 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm)Michael wrote I'm surprised, i thought they would of wanted all the seats they could get on them.

The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

(29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm)Dan wrote The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

Ah right, thanks, is the tables going to be branded like the ones on the X9/X10?

Was told that the 516 will be moving to Deptford, when it does, will the Solo allocated to it, move to Deptford?

(29 Nov 2017, 7:06 pm)missedbus wrote Would need more than 2 extra to make it every 10 minutes on existing route. Can see at least 4 being required, as the 88 route from Jarrow to South Shields takes twice the time of the current 27.

What about Versas for the 35? ;-)

Deptford is versa free depot, probably the South Tyne versas would go to Chester for service 28


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(29 Nov 2017, 7:48 pm)cbma06 wrote Deptford is versa free depot, probably the South Tyne versas would go to Chester for service 28


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Ye they should be heading that way.


5 on the 28/28A
1 for the 34 i would imagine
1 extra spare for Chester
1 to remain at Riverside 


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Does anyone know where the Versa's from the 67/69 are temperately moving too?

(29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm)Dan wrote The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

Would of been nice to have same capacity as X10 B5s  but still a big upgrade to the the B5H

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(29 Nov 2017, 7:54 pm)Michael wrote Ye they should be heading that way.


5 on the 28/28A
1 for the 34 i would imagine
1 extra spare for Chester
1 to remain at Riverside 


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Does anyone know where the Versa's from the 67/69 are temperately moving too?

Maybe to allow the 4 citaros to go for warranty repaint

(28 Nov 2017, 9:37 pm)northern156 wrote Can't help but think that dual door vehicles would suit the 21 much more. Thoughts?

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Would have LOVED to see dual doors but didn't think it'd happen.

My views from using TfL buses are that the lower decks always seem more spacious, more standing room and obviously dwell time at stops is reduced through boarding and alighting happening at the same time. When I come back home it just feels like our single door buses are slow and old-hat - I don't get the impression of a modern 'rapid transit' solution.
Through audio/visual tech GNE could quite easily have the NSAs recorded as something on the lines of 'Next Stop, Newcastle Eldon Sq where this bus terminates, please exit via the front doors at this stop' - to solve the termination point issues.
As for access/heightened kerbs - disabled people could have always exited via the front like wheelchair users if the bus's kneeling feature wasn't enough for them. However most non-wheelchair users manage to exit via the centre doors in London though, where kerbs are not heightened.

I'm sure when the Citylink58 bendies were running, (good times ), some bus stops had alterations made to allow either for the length of them, or their 3 sets of doors - correct me if I'm wrong? Not sure if it was GNE and/or local authorities who paid for the work. But council's probably have no funds for that sort of thing anymore. (Although I bet if GNE stopped repainting everything every 5 minutes they could easily pay for changes lol ).

Maybe it would be different if there were proper conversations/longer term plans between the likes of GNE and councils to say, "look, all future bus orders will have double doors as we want public transport to be inviting, quick and easy to use - what can we do to accommodate them kerbside"?

Does anyone know anything about Go Brighton & Hove's recent introduction of dual door buses - what was the thinking behind it / did railings or kerbs have to be altered etc?

(29 Nov 2017, 8:02 pm)JP6004 wrote Would of been nice to have same capacity as X10 B5s  but still a big upgrade to the the B5H

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Maybe to allow the 4 citaros to go for warranty repaint

Maybe, didn't think of that.

6319 is the first StreetDeck for Angel to be delivered.

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Whats the seating and buggy bays on the current angel hybrids?

Here is your answer Jordan

(29 Nov 2017, 7:13 pm)Dan wrote The current Hybrid allocation allows 66 seated + 28 standing.

Even with the tables, StreetDecks allow 68 seated + 31 standing. The tables utilise existing leg-room and the seats are just rotated so that they face each other, so you only lose one row of seats either side (so 4 seats in total).

The downstairs seating configuration on the Hybrids is a bit strange too which results in a few less seats downstairs. The StreetDecks will have a standard seating layout, meaning that there will be 4 extra seats downstairs for passengers who are less able and can't get upstairs easily. Obviously compensated by two less seats upstairs compared to the Hybrids.

Either way it's a marginal upgrade in terms of capacity (16 extra seats per hour, Newcastle - Chester-le-Street).

(30 Nov 2017, 10:35 am)Michael wrote Here is your answer Jordan

I seen that. Have they got 1 or 2 pushchair/wheelchair bays as arrivas hybrids have 1

Match Day P&R livery.

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(30 Nov 2017, 11:10 am)Dan wrote Match Day P&R livery.

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What team is that for, then? ;-)

5335 is back in service today on the 9s in the same livery as the rest of the 10 plates

(30 Nov 2017, 11:10 am)Dan wrote Match Day P&R livery.

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Interesting name change, Is this in order to make the brand "fit all" ie an upcoming Rugby Union match in March and also the Rugby League magic weekend in May? I must say the black and White is not only appropriate but eye catching too.

(30 Nov 2017, 12:05 pm)BusLoverMum wrote What team is that for, then? ;-)

It must be the Eagles. It can't be for the football or rugby teams. There's the image of a trophy! A total misrepresentation

(30 Nov 2017, 2:01 pm)Tyne_Traveller wrote Interesting name change, Is this in order to make the brand "fit all" ie an upcoming Rugby Union match in March and also the Rugby League magic weekend in May? I must say the black and White is not only appropriate but eye catching too.

Would think it more for marketing purposes. 'Matchday Park & Ride' is pretty obvious what the service is providing, unlike Soccer Bus.

(30 Nov 2017, 10:37 am)Jordan2104 wrote I seen that. Have they got 1 or 2 pushchair/wheelchair bays as arrivas hybrids have 1

Go North East standard is wheelchair bay and separate buggy bay, which these have plus they have a "tile" in the floor indicating which each bay is for.

(30 Nov 2017, 12:52 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote 5335 is back in service today on the 9s in the same livery as the rest of the 10 plates

5305 should of gone to Blackburn, down to the last few now.