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(24 Feb 2019, 10:30 am)GNE6312 wrote [ -> ]New cascade suggestion:
22570/74/79/80/81 to devon in trade for 15781-5 to allow the 100 to have the much needed double decker conversion.
This will also require a re-route avoiding the low bridge so I have made a new one. On the new route buses will operate via Scotswood view, Holinside way, onto the A1, exit the A1 from the A184 slip road then normal route in both directions.
The spares will be the leather seater E400s (19194/6/7)
15781-5 will recieve minimal branding for the 100 with the same 100 logo the yutong demo had but on the scanias above the doors, above driver cab and inside the rear poster boards.
Inside the side posters boards there will be the images on that are on the current E300s at the back windows
These will have wi-fi and usb chargers fitted
What are your thoughts
22579 can't transfer as it's withdrawn due to the crash with the Taxi. Also the 100 goes under a low bridge.
(24 Feb 2019, 11:16 am)S830OFT wrote [ -> ]22579 can't transfer as it's withdrawn due to the crash with the Taxi. Also the 100 goes under a low bridge.
Then 24114 can transfer instead. There is details I have included about a reroute away from the low bridge in my post. The reroute only adds 0.6 miles (the current route is 4.4 miles the new route is 5 miles)
The re route is via Scotswood view, Holinside way, onto the A1, exit the A1 from the A184 slip road then normal route in both directions.
Will the transbus E300s be coming to Newcastle in the summer when tesside get the new buses?
A plan to get the omnilinks off the X24 and the 08 reg MANviro 300s off the 100
15920-23 to transfer from lillyhall depot (Cumbria) to Sunderland Depot these viechles will be replaced in Cumbria by new viechles
15920-22 will remain in stagecoach gold livery with branding for the X24 Sunderland city centre, Chester road, Gateshead, Newcastle City centre (in stagecoach gold double decker style) on the side
On the engine flap (where the Map at the rear usually is it will say:
Newcastle to Sunderland in just 39 minutes & Sunderland to Newcastle in 43 minutes
This will displace 24001-3 to the 100
This allows the 100 MANviro 300s to go to elsewhere
24001-3 will receive stagecoach fleet colours with minimal 100 branding
What are your thoughts of my plan?
(27 Jun 2019, 2:22 pm)GNE6312 wrote [ -> ]A plan to get the omnilinks off the X24 and the 08 reg MANviro 300s off the 100
15920-23 to transfer from lillyhall depot (Cumbria) to Sunderland Depot these viechles will be replaced in Cumbria by new viechles
15920-22 will remain in stagecoach gold livery with branding for the X24 Sunderland city centre, Chester road, Gateshead, Newcastle City centre (in stagecoach gold double decker style) on the side
On the engine flap (where the Map at the rear usually is it will say:
Newcastle to Sunderland in just 39 minutes & Sunderland to Newcastle in 43 minutes
This will displace 24001-3 to the 100
This allows the 100 MANviro 300s to go to elsewhere
24001-3 will receive stagecoach fleet colours with minimal 100 branding
What are your thoughts of my plan?
First the 100 needs 4 Buses, 2nd 24001-3 are so unreliable so there’s no gain. 3rd why would Cumbria just give E400s Over to SNE and why Stagecoach Gold?
(27 Jun 2019, 2:22 pm)GNE6312 wrote [ -> ]A plan to get the omnilinks off the X24 and the 08 reg MANviro 300s off the 100
15920-23 to transfer from lillyhall depot (Cumbria) to Sunderland Depot these viechles will be replaced in Cumbria by new viechles
15920-22 will remain in stagecoach gold livery with branding for the X24 Sunderland city centre, Chester road, Gateshead, Newcastle City centre (in stagecoach gold double decker style) on the side
On the engine flap (where the Map at the rear usually is it will say:
Newcastle to Sunderland in just 39 minutes & Sunderland to Newcastle in 43 minutes
This will displace 24001-3 to the 100
This allows the 100 MANviro 300s to go to elsewhere
24001-3 will receive stagecoach fleet colours with minimal 100 branding
What are your thoughts of my plan?
Stagecoach gold livery is getting phased out as stagecoach wants the fleet in normal livery
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(27 Jun 2019, 3:33 pm)NewcastleOne wrote [ -> ]
First the 100 needs 4 Buses, 2nd 24001-3 are so unreliable so there’s no gain. 3rd why would Cumbria just give E400s Over to SNE and why Stagecoach Gold?
As I said the buses from Cumbria will be replaced by brand new buses
And they are to be stagecoach gold so they can still be of a high spec for the X24 like the omnilinks.
26276 - 26293 - Stockton for services 36/37/38.
22016/22018 - 22020/22061 - 22064 will be directly withdrawn. 22026 will also be replaced, with the spare Enviro 400 taking it's place in reserve...
The arrival of these new buses will release 24101, 24103, 24105 - 24112 to Slatyford.
22012/22013/22050/22051/22065 - 22070 will be withdrawn as a result.
24x ADL Enviro 400MMCs - Sunderland for the E1/E2/E6/X24/X34 services.
19641/19642 will transfer to Stockton to provide additional capacity buses, this will allow 22514/22515 to transfer to Slatyford allowing 22080/22081 to be withdrawn.
19643/19644 will transfer to Walkergate, this will allow the withdrawl of 22022/22024.
24001 - 24003 will be withdrawn from service at Sunderland.
27726 - 27740 will transfer to Slatyford, this will allow the withdrawl of 22082/22341 - 22348/22408 - 22413.
34605/34611 will also be withdrawn, as a result of having 2 additional spares for these services.
(14 Sep 2019, 12:15 pm)S830OFT wrote [ -> ]26276 - 26293 - Stockton for services 36/37/38.
22016/22018 - 22020/22061 - 22064 will be directly withdrawn. 22026 will also be replaced, with the spare Enviro 400 taking it's place in reserve...
The arrival of these new buses will release 24101, 24103, 24105 - 24112 to Slatyford.
22012/22013/22050/22051/22065 - 22070 will be withdrawn as a result.
24x ADL Enviro 400MMCs - Sunderland for the E1/E2/E6/X24/X34 services.
19641/19642 will transfer to Stockton to provide additional capacity buses, this will allow 22514/22515 to transfer to Slatyford allowing 22080/22081 to be withdrawn.
19643/19644 will transfer to Walkergate, this will allow the withdrawl of 22022/22024.
24001 - 24003 will be withdrawn from service at Sunderland.
27726 - 27740 will transfer to Slatyford, this will allow the withdrawl of 22082/22341 - 22348/22408 - 22413.
34605/34611 will also be withdrawn, as a result of having 2 additional spares for these services.
When I last checked the Scania Bus & Coach website they still make the E300 NG & E400 NG (unless it hasn't been updated in a while). I think it would be great if Sunderland got more Gas Buses. Though I assume they will need extra funding for this.
Another order prediction would be ADL E200 MMCs (smaller ones) for Sunderland 4/5/10/11/23 and Slatyford 6/7/8 allowing several MAN E200s to be withdrawn or transferred elsewhere within Stagecoach. As well as several "Smart Hybrid" ADL E400s for Walkergate, allowing several of the oldest ADL E400s to be placed in reserve/withdrawn - 4 of which would replace the current open-top tridents.
I think South Shields depot would be an ideal depot for a fleet of electric buses - for 3/4/7/8.
Also I assume several vehicles at Walkergate & Slatyford will need exhaust modifications to upgrade them to Euro 6 for the clean air / low emissions zone in Newcastle that may be coming into effect soon.
Not sure if its true,but i typed in stagecoach preseeved ALX300,and 22026 was the the one that came up,so not sure if it is or not
My mate has overheard some info, apparently 23 E400MMCs have been ordered for the 39/40 leaving the E400 hybrids to transfer to Slatyford to replace older buses. Can’t comfirm or deny this
(30 Nov 2019, 1:48 pm)JM03 wrote [ -> ]My mate has overheard some info, apparently 23 E400MMCs have been ordered for the 39/40 leaving the E400 hybrids to transfer to Slatyford to replace older buses. Can’t comfirm or deny this
Already confirmed on the latest news thread. But stated the hybrids moving out of region not to Slatyford.
(30 Nov 2019, 7:12 pm)ifm001 wrote [ -> ]Already confirmed on the latest news thread. But stated the hybrids moving out of region not to Slatyford.
Hybrids are staying in Newcastle and are to be upgraded or may have been already.
(30 Nov 2019, 7:12 pm)ifm001 wrote [ -> ]Already confirmed on the latest news thread. But stated the hybrids moving out of region not to Slatyford.
Actually, stated that the oldest E400s are leaving the region - the Hybrids aren't leaving.
(30 Nov 2019, 7:21 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Actually, stated that the oldest E400s are leaving the region - the Hybrids aren't leaving.
Shame 3 or 4 won't be heading to Sunderland for the X24.
(09 Dec 2019, 3:43 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]Shame 3 or 4 won't be heading to Sunderland for the X24.
I think it's to with the clean air zone which the X24 enters I was kind of hoping they would order gas deckers for the X24/X34
(09 Dec 2019, 4:56 pm)Ds1197 wrote [ -> ]I think it's to with the clean air zone which the X24 enters I was kind of hoping they would order gas deckers for the X24/X34
And some for the Economic services
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(09 Dec 2019, 5:16 pm)cbma06 wrote [ -> ]And some for the Economic services
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They don't really need them most of the time. Although if Sunderland had say 20 gas E400s ordered for use on the X24/X34 first then other busier services in Sunderland, and for use on the Es in the summer/bank holidays, that would be perfect. Don't think Stagecoach NE could make the business case for that though.
Has anyone heard anything yet about stockton Stockton e200mmc 26280 as it has been off road since September 20th
6 new E400's for the X24/X34 + (1 spare) = 7
WIFI, USB ports, same seats as the Enviro 400's on the 39/40, stop announcements (when traveling between the non stop area's, adverts will flash, about tickets, upcoming changes)
(05 Jan 2020, 1:41 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]6 new E400's for the X24/X34 + (1 spare) = 7
WIFI, USB ports, same seats as the Enviro 400's on the 39/40, stop announcements (when traveling between the non stop area's, adverts will flash, about tickets, upcoming changes)
I wonder what happened about the gas decker bus that was trialled at Sunderland, must of changed there minds
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(05 Jan 2020, 2:01 pm)cbma06 wrote [ -> ]I wonder what happened about the gas decker bus that was trialled at Sunderland, must of changed there minds
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Probables have but, was hoping it would come back in the future but i don't think that's not gonna happen now.
(05 Jan 2020, 2:01 pm)cbma06 wrote [ -> ]I wonder what happened about the gas decker bus that was trialled at Sunderland, must of changed there minds
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I would say that technology is rapidly moving on from gas to be honest, and that’s what Stagecoach have realised.
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(05 Jan 2020, 2:52 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]I would say that technology is rapidly moving on from gas to be honest, and that’s what Stagecoach have realised.
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If so, i wonder, how an electric bus would cope on the X24/X34?
what sort of range are these new GNE electric buses advertised as having? do they have a diesel engine as "back up" in case they run out of electric?
(05 Jan 2020, 3:17 pm)Rob44 wrote [ -> ]what sort of range are these new GNE electric buses advertised as having? do they have a diesel engine as "back up" in case they run out of electric?
Full electric, the ones on order were 374Kwh but after 6 months Yotung upgraded the batter to 422Kwh, which is what GNE will now get.
Info from Bus and Coach magazine - 10th December 2019.
(05 Jan 2020, 3:17 pm)Rob44 wrote [ -> ]what sort of range are these new GNE electric buses advertised as having? do they have a diesel engine as "back up" in case they run out of electric?
Most in the trade press are hawked at 150-180 miles. Battery technology is advancing quickly though, so this is increasing all of the time. I believe the GNE ones are pure electric (including heating).
Brighton and Hove have recently taken delivery of Range Extended double deckers (E400 MMCs). These run in pure electric mode through a geo-fenced area, and diesel outwith. Not sure if this option exists on any single decker offerings.
Are the hybrids keeping the green interior, with blue seats? I love the new 39/40 interior, although it doesn't look very Stagecoach. I wonder if the new buses will be on the other Walkergate services.
order suggestion to allow a greener higher coppacity service in Newcastle
Order:
Viechle type:Volvo B8L/E400XLB
Intended depot:Walkergate/Slatyford
Quantity:20 for walkergate 6 for Slatyford
Allocation: full PVR of the 12 & any not on the 12 to be put on walkergate's busiest boards and used as spares (Walkergate batch) 100 anything else not on the 100 spare (Slatyford batch)
Disolacements: 19214-19/85-89/30-37 to Sunderland for the Es to allow 20 of Sunderland's E300s to transfer to Slatyford to replace 39725-32 & the 17 worst condition ALX300s in both Newcastle depots this will also allow extra hybrids to be allocated to the 38 allowing the newer E400s to be allocated to the 1
Livery to be worn: SC local (Walkergate batch) SC express (slatyfird batch)
Service changes to accommodate these viechles: All journeys on the 12 will be extended to Wallsend due to the terminus at walker bring to tight for an XLB to get around All journeys terminating at walker will be extended to Wallsend the Slatyford batch will displace the SP08 reg E300s elsewhere on the UK
Features: Audio Visual announcements, USB chcharging also all seats (including front, back & seats above the axels) will be E-leather ADL smart seats
51 Alexander Enviro 200MMC's 10.8m or BYD Enviro 200's to replace all of the MAN 14.240 LF Enviro 200's across various depots.
30 Alexander Enviro 200MMC's 11.5m to replace all remaining MAN Alexander ALX300's/Scania K270UB Omnilinks on the X24/MAN Enviro 300's on the 100
40 Scania N280UD Alexander Dennis Enviro 400 CNG or BYD Enviro 400 City's for E1/E2/E6 & X34 & Peak Journey's on Services 3/12/13/16 & 20 to give extra capacity releasing (20) Scania K270UB Enviro 300's on to Sunderland based services 4/23 which would then release the 63 reg Enviro 200's to be reallocated to Slatyford for the 10/11/71/72 with Euro 6 upgrade.
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