(19 Sep 2022, 10:41 pm)glen wrote [ -> ]Does meen Stockton getting new buses then if E200 Mmc going north then?
no, I believe what's happening is this due to CAZ, the compliant MMCs at Stockton are swapping with non-compliant ALX300s from slatyford. I suppose this makes sense as SNE would needlessly pour money down the drain if they didn't do this.
TBH, I don't know why the 2019 MMCs didn't just go straight to slatyford on delivery if they knew this was coming
I thought the same think mate? It doesn't make sense to me.
(19 Sep 2022, 11:01 pm)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]no, I believe what's happening is this due to CAZ, the compliant MMCs at Stockton are swapping with non-compliant ALX300s from slatyford. I suppose this makes sense as SNE would needlessly pour money down the drain if they didn't do this.
TBH, I don't know why the 2019 MMCs didn't just go straight to slatyford on delivery if they knew this was coming
Well Covid practically scrapped three years of 'normal' investment by Stagecoach, which I assume would have included buses for Newcastle, as well as midi buses to replace the MANviros.
it's not ideal, however I usually see plenty of E300s on the 36-37-38 so the downgrade isn't going to really hit the normal commuter.
(20 Sep 2022, 9:29 pm)Benny wrote [ -> ]Well Covid practically scrapped three years of 'normal' investment by Stagecoach, which I assume would have included buses for Newcastle, as well as midi buses to replace the MANviros.
it's not ideal, however I usually see plenty of E300s on the 36-37-38 so the downgrade isn't going to really hit the normal commuter.
I'm not on about the investment i understand about the covid situation but, I just would have thought that it would have made sense after Stockton had the 2014/2015 E300s delivered and then the 2016 MMCs went to slatyford it would make sense for the 2019 MMCs to be delivered to slatyford especially as CAZ was getting talked about when i worked at slatyford in 2013-2014.
from a fleet management point of view i would have thought it simpler to group vehicle types together
Ugh more e300s ?
(20 Sep 2022, 10:10 pm)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]I'm not on about the investment i understand about the covid situation but, I just would have thought that it would have made sense after Stockton had the 2014/2015 E300s delivered and then the 2016 MMCs went to slatyford it would make sense for the 2019 MMCs to be delivered to slatyford especially as CAZ was getting talked about when i worked at slatyford in 2013-2014.
from a fleet management point of view i would have thought it simpler to group vehicle types together
Should give Stockton the 2016 E200MMC
As well as the ALX300 in trade for SN64OJ batch
I believe either a vehicle has been recovered or is being removed from slatyford depot as there is a alpha recovery wagon there at the minute
I see that 200 mmc 26071 is at Stockton depot is it still on loan?
(21 Sep 2022, 10:42 am)Lolpest wrote [ -> ]Ugh more e300s ?
Should give Stockton the 2016 E200MMC
As well as the ALX300 in trade for SN64OJ batch
as far as im aware MMCs are CAZ compliant but E300s require modifications to be compliant, that would just be adding more work and cost. plus any bus will probably pay for itself quicker in revenue service in newcastle
(23 Sep 2022, 11:47 pm)glen wrote [ -> ]I see that 200 mmc 26071 is at Stockton depot is it still on loan?
26071 and 36979 remain at Stockton - judging by Bus Times, 26285/6 are the last 2 MMCs to return so likely the 2 loans will remain until they are back. 36974 returned to Wheatsheaf on Friday.
In other news, 22064 is now officially withdrawn along with 22024 (which hasn't been used since it was towed in at the start of August) as are the two Omnilinks and MAN E200 39660/1/6 at Hartlepool. Hartlepool are also due to receive 34611 from Wheatsheaf to replace sister 34605 which is presently engineless with its MOT due to expire soon. 35236 is also still expected to enter service at Hartlepool as the official replacement for the long-withdrawn 39659.
(25 Sep 2022, 8:53 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]26071 and 36979 remain at Stockton - judging by Bus Times, 26285/6 are the last 2 MMCs to return so likely the 2 loans will remain until they are back. 36974 returned to Wheatsheaf on Friday.
In other news, 22064 is now officially withdrawn along with 22024 (which hasn't been used since it was towed in at the start of August) as are the two Omnilinks and MAN E200 39660/1/6 at Hartlepool. Hartlepool are also due to receive 34611 from Wheatsheaf to replace sister 34605 which is presently engineless with its MOT due to expire soon. 35236 is also still expected to enter service at Hartlepool as the official replacement for the long-withdrawn 39659.
34611 was present at the Brenda Road Depot on Friday
According to an engineer at stockton 22064 is not withdrawn and is almost done fir a road test on the 29th
(25 Sep 2022, 11:24 am)Lollist wrote [ -> ]According to an engineer at stockton 22064 is not withdrawn and is almost done fir a road test on the 29th
And yet it's officially withdrawn on the latest company fleet card - given the newer E300-bodied examples transferred from Carlisle as ALX300 replacements and their likely destination is the scrapyard, no point repairing the engine.
if I was fleet manager if all 6(correct me if I'm wrong) Carlisle buses are decent, I would have used those 6 as an opportunity to get rid of some E200s.
I would have done it by put all 6 in service at slatyford using 3 E300s to oust 3 E200s at slatyford sending the newer and hopefully more reliable examples to hartlepool. and then I would cascade 3 ALX300s to hartlepool to oust another 2 E200s there.
all in all, that would give both slatyford and hartlepool a small uplift in carrying capacity and an opportunity to remove 5 of the most troublesome E200s from service and strip them for spares and the spare ALX300 could be used as a spare vehicle for when one of the other ones goes properly tits up
I think stagecoach north east alx 300 man have been really good buses I think it time calls it day. I first saw man alx 300 in Middlesbrough buses station in 1999 on 36.
(25 Sep 2022, 11:24 pm)glen wrote [ -> ]I think stagecoach north east alx 300 man have been really good buses I think it time cells it day. I first saw man alx 300 in Middlesbrough buses station in 1999 on 36.
to be honest they are real workhorses, they have been running for years and i think if it wasn't for CAZ you would have seen them running for a few years more. I think until new buses arrive unless there are PVR reductions they still have a future as the 08 E300s don't sound too healthy the last few times I've travelled on them
Anyone know what’s happend to This website it’s gone all weird
(25 Sep 2022, 8:53 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]26071 and 36979 remain at Stockton - judging by Bus Times, 26285/6 are the last 2 MMCs to return so likely the 2 loans will remain until they are back. 36974 returned to Wheatsheaf on Friday.
In other news, 22064 is now officially withdrawn along with 22024 (which hasn't been used since it was towed in at the start of August) as are the two Omnilinks and MAN E200 39660/1/6 at Hartlepool. Hartlepool are also due to receive 34611 from Wheatsheaf to replace sister 34605 which is presently engineless with its MOT due to expire soon. 35236 is also still expected to enter service at Hartlepool as the official replacement for the long-withdrawn 39659.
Is it not 39664 that's off the road? I was driving 39660 in service last Thursday.
(26 Sep 2022, 9:53 am)tcts24 wrote [ -> ]Is it not 39664 that's off the road? I was driving 39660 in service last Thursday.
Looking at this it is 39664
(25 Sep 2022, 10:44 pm)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]if I was fleet manager if all 6(correct me if I'm wrong) Carlisle buses are decent, I would have used those 6 as an opportunity to get rid of some E200s.
I would have done it by put all 6 in service at slatyford using 3 E300s to oust 3 E200s at slatyford sending the newer and hopefully more reliable examples to hartlepool. and then I would cascade 3 ALX300s to hartlepool to oust another 2 E200s there.
all in all, that would give both slatyford and hartlepool a small uplift in carrying capacity and an opportunity to remove 5 of the most troublesome E200s from service and strip them for spares and the spare ALX300 could be used as a spare vehicle for when one of the other ones goes properly tits up
The ex-Carlisle MAN E300s are not Euro6 - so they cannot be allocated to Slatyford as they wouldn't be able to be used on the vast majority of services. 22887/9 have only entered service there to cover for vehicles away as part of the Commonwealth Games (allowing some of the newer native re-engined examples to move to Walkergate on loan, and 26071 to be loaned to Stockton even if that happened months before they arrived). Their likely home is Stockton, either as replacements for the ALX300s here or to release the MMCs northwards.
Slatyford do still require E200s, for the 32/32A and 35 (even if the 35 can be covered by full size vehicles). The 6/7 has already been converted to full size vehicles, hence the cascade of 36091-3 to Hartlepool as they were surplus to requirements.
(26 Sep 2022, 8:49 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]The ex-Carlisle MAN E300s are not Euro6 - so they cannot be allocated to Slatyford as they wouldn't be able to be used on the vast majority of services. 22887/9 have only entered service there to cover for vehicles away as part of the Commonwealth Games (allowing some of the newer native re-engined examples to move to Walkergate on loan, and 26071 to be loaned to Stockton even if that happened months before they arrived). Their likely home is Stockton, either as replacements for the ALX300s here or to release the MMCs northwards.
Slatyford do still require E200s, for the 32/32A and 35 (even if the 35 can be covered by full size vehicles). The 6/7 has already been converted to full size vehicles, hence the cascade of 36091-3 to Hartlepool as they were surplus to requirements.
ok well if that's the case i would send them to Stockton, allowing 6 MMCs to go the other way, then repeat with ALX 300s until all 19? (Correct me if I'm wrong) 2019 MMCs were fully transferred, (makes business sense) instead of paying fines/tolls or whatever title the council are using.
i would still maybe get rid of 2/3 more E200s in Newcastle as I do see them slip onto high-capacity services occasionally. as an example, even a 71 in the early morning can get uncomfortably full when allocated a 300 never mind when a smaller 200 gets on. as for the 6 "spare" vehicles that will likely arise as a result of the cascade I would perhaps keep 1 ALX300 as a genuine spare vehicle. 1 as an engineering spare (ideally 1 that's absolutely hammered ready for the breakers to strip down for parts) and the other 4 for hartlepool to help build capacity and maybe get rid of 3 of the worst E200s.
that then generates another spare for hartlepool until newer reliable cascades or brand-new vehicles arrive. once genuine newer problem free (hopefully) vehicles arrive I would start by dispensing with problematic vehicles and then unnecessary spare vehicles and if there's anything left either cascade older vehicles or start to replace DTs
Personally I think the 2016 Enviro 200 MMC should head down to Stockton along with the ALX300S (2019 E200MMC head tnorthqarda) as well as sending a batch of stocktons enviro 300 to Newcastle as well and maybe they could attempt to get some more deckers down for the 36 in which gets very busy until late hours wxample: 7am-10am services are busy as well as 15:00pm to 8pm services are very busy which the envirob300s sometimes can't handle, especially on thr 35 ti Wolvi Court is absolutely ramacked and an enviro 300 cannot handle it they ar edumb enough to put 19680 on thr 7:00 run only for it to change on to thr 58, the least busiest route and they don't run it on the school time?