Heres a whacky suggestion but i personally think it could work,
32-Kenton Bar-Benton via Benton (Hailsham Avenue),Goathland Avenue,Four Lane Ends,Stoneleigh Avenue,BT Call Centre,Salters Lane, Freeman Hospital,Newton.Road,Heaton Road,Shields Road,Coutts Road,Westbourne Avenue,,Walker Bus Terminal,Walker Road,St Peters Basin,Bolam Way,St Michaels Road,Dalton Street,Conyers Road,Byker Metro,,Byker Morrisons,re-joining current route to Kenton Bar,would operate at a 30 minute frequency
Withdrawl's-18/18A,32A
(20 Dec 2021, 6:36 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Heres a whacky suggestion but i personally think it could work,
32-Kenton Bar-Benton via Benton (Hailsham Avenue),Goathland Avenue,Four Lane Ends,Stoneleigh Avenue,BT Call Centre,Salters Lane, Freeman Hospital,Newton.Road,Heaton Road,Shields Road,Coutts Road,Westbourne Avenue,,Walker Bus Terminal,Walker Road,St Peters Basin,Bolam Way,St Michaels Road,Dalton Street,Conyers Road,Byker Metro,,Byker Morrisons,re-joining current route to Kenton Bar,would operate at a 30 minute frequency
Withdrawl's-18/18A,32A
I like this idea but you would have your 32 go on shields road twice in both directions, which would justbe confusing for passengers unfortunately.
(20 Dec 2021, 10:11 am)Dan wrote [ -> ]The days of direct bus services here, there and everywhere are gone. Operators had already started to move away from this in favour of the hub and spoke model, but now Government guidance reiterates this, I cannot see it being likely that any operator would extend a service on an already heavily over-bussed corridor.
And therein lies a major part of the reason a good majority of people will never switch (willingly) from their cars.
(20 Dec 2021, 11:01 pm)logidoodah wrote [ -> ]I like this idea but you would have your 32 go on shields road twice in both directions, which would justbe confusing for passengers unfortunately.
What about routing it down Algernon Road/Denmark Street,then Heaton Road,that eliminates it going on Shields Road twice,Nexus could easily install bus stops incase there isnt any
1 - Benwell - Cobalt
6 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Kingston Park and Blakelaw
7 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Gosforth and Blakelaw
8 - Four Lane Ends - Central Station via Blakelaw (Springfield Road)
10/11 - West Denton - Throckley via City Centre and Slatyford
12 - Fenham - Wallsend
13 - West Denton - Walker
14 - Benwell - Slatyford via Blakelaw and Newbiggin Hall
18 - Benton Estate - Walker
22 - Throckley - Cobalt/Silverlink
30 - Whickham View - Fawdon via City Centre and Gosforth
31 - Whickham View - Montagu Estate via City Centre and Gosforth
32 - Benwell - Walker
36 - Slatyford - City Centre
38 - Whickham View - Freeman Hospital
39 - Dumpling Hall - Walker
40 - Chapel House - Wallsend
62 - North Walbottle - Killingworth
63 - Chapel House - Killingworth
64 - West Denton - Killingworth
71 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Westerhope
72 - City Centre - Chapel House
73 - City Centre - Callerton via Fenham
74 - Central Station - Hexham
75 - Central Station - Throckley via West Denton
X47 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Gosforth
X63 - South Gosforth - City Centre
X78 - City Centre - Darras Hall
X79 - City Centre - Kirkley Hall
X87/X88 - City Centre - Newbiggin Hall via Cowgate
(26 Dec 2021, 2:09 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]1 - Benwell - Cobalt
6 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Kingston Park and Blakelaw
7 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Gosforth and Blakelaw
8 - Four Lane Ends - Central Station via Blakelaw (Springfield Road)
10/11 - West Denton - Throckley via City Centre and Slatyford
12 - Fenham - Wallsend
13 - West Denton - Walker
14 - Benwell - Slatyford via Blakelaw and Newbiggin Hall
18 - Benton Estate - Walker
22 - Throckley - Cobalt/Silverlink
30 - Whickham View - Fawdon via City Centre and Gosforth
31 - Whickham View - Montagu Estate via City Centre and Gosforth
32 - Benwell - Walker
36 - Slatyford - City Centre
38 - Whickham View - Freeman Hospital
39 - Dumpling Hall - Walker
40 - Chapel House - Wallsend
62 - North Walbottle - Killingworth
63 - Chapel House - Killingworth
64 - West Denton - Killingworth
71 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Westerhope
72 - City Centre - Chapel House
73 - City Centre - Callerton via Fenham
74 - Central Station - Hexham
75 - Central Station - Throckley via West Denton
X47 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Gosforth
X63 - South Gosforth - City Centre
X78 - City Centre - Darras Hall
X79 - City Centre - Kirkley Hall
X87/X88 - City Centre - Newbiggin Hall via Cowgate
12 West Denton-Walker
14 Forest Hall-West Denton via Quayside,Central Station,Slatyford,Newbiggin Hall
18/18A-Withdrawn
22 West Denton-Cobalt
32-Four Lane Ends-Kenton Bar via Coach Lane Campus and current route,32 made every 30 mins,32A withdrawn
39 Wallsend-Dumpling Hall to replace the Walker-Wallsend section of the 12
What route would your 64 take?
(26 Dec 2021, 8:17 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]12 West Denton-Walker
14 Forest Hall-West Denton via Quayside,Central Station,Slatyford,Newbiggin Hall
18/18A-Withdrawn
22 West Denton-Cobalt
32-Four Lane Ends-Kenton Bar via Coach Lane Campus and current route,32 made every 30 mins,32A withdrawn
39 Wallsend-Dumpling Hall to replace the Walker-Wallsend section of the 12
What route would your 64 take?
Maybe a new 64 could do West Denton - Stamfordham Road - Silver Lonnen - West Road - Westgate Road for Central Station - New Bridge Street/Manors - Shields Road (Morrisons) - non-stop to Wallsend High Street - non stop to Four Lane Ends - non stop to Killingworth Bus Station?
Your 14 sounds like a good idea for Go North East. 22 could do West Denton as you suggested, removing the need for the 12, which could terminate at Slatyford as my 1 would terminate at Benwell so a 12 service could replace that.
18/18A can't be withdrawn apparently, but could maybe be improved.
32A should be withdrawn. 32 doesn't really need to run.
39 I doubt will ever go to Wallsend, although I think it should and the 40 could be extended to Hadrian Park maybe?
1 - Benwell - Cobalt
6 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Kingston Park and Blakelaw
7 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Gosforth and Blakelaw
8 - Four Lane Ends - Central Station via Blakelaw (Springfield Road)
10/11 - West Denton - Throckley via City Centre and Slatyford
12 - Slatyford - Wallsend
13 - West Denton - Walker (replacing 13)
14 - Benwell - Slatyford via Blakelaw and Newbiggin Hall
18 - Benton Estate - Walker
22 - West Denton - Cobalt/Silverlink
30 - Whickham View - Fawdon via City Centre and Gosforth
31 - Whickham View - Montagu Estate via City Centre and Gosforth
32 - Benwell - Walker
36 - Slatyford - City Centre
38 - Whickham View - Freeman Hospital
39 - Dumpling Hall - Walker
40 - Chapel House - Wallsend
62 - North Walbottle - Killingworth
63 - Chapel House - Killingworth
64 - West Denton - Killingworth via City Centre, Byker, Wallsend and Four Lane Ends
71 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Westerhope (replacing M71)
72 - City Centre - Chapel House
73 - City Centre - Callerton via Fenham
74 - Central Station - Hexham
75 - Central Station - Throckley via West Denton
84 - West Denton - Metrocentre via Denton Burn, Slatyford, Fenham, City Centre and Benwell (replacing 84/84A)
X47 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Gosforth
X63 - South Gosforth - City Centre
X78 - City Centre - Darras Hall
X79 - City Centre - Kirkley Hall
X82 - Throckley - City Centre
X87/X88 - City Centre - Newbiggin Hall via Cowgate (no longer serving Blakelaw)
(26 Dec 2021, 10:19 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]Maybe a new 64 could do West Denton - Stamfordham Road - Silver Lonnen - West Road - Westgate Road for Central Station - New Bridge Street/Manors - Shields Road (Morrisons) - non-stop to Wallsend High Street - non stop to Four Lane Ends - non stop to Killingworth Bus Station?
Your 14 sounds like a good idea for Go North East. 22 could do West Denton as you suggested, removing the need for the 12, which could terminate at Slatyford as my 1 would terminate at Benwell so a 12 service could replace that.
18/18A can't be withdrawn apparently, but could maybe be improved.
32A should be withdrawn. 32 doesn't really need to run.
39 I doubt will ever go to Wallsend, although I think it should and the 40 could be extended to Hadrian Park maybe?
you are kidding regarding the 39 /40. The time keeping on this route is bad enough now when it goes to wallsend. Curtail both at walker, plenty of other options to get to wallsend.
1 - Benwell - Cobalt
6 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Kingston Park and Blakelaw
7 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Gosforth and Blakelaw
8 - Four Lane Ends - Central Station via Blakelaw (Springfield Road)
10/11 - West Denton - Throckley via City Centre and Slatyford
12 - Slatyford - Wallsend
13 - West Denton - Walker (replacing 13)
14 - Benwell - Slatyford via Blakelaw and Newbiggin Hall
18 - Benton Estate - Walker
22 - West Denton - Cobalt/Silverlink
23 - Newcastle - Hadrian Park
30 - Whickham View - Fawdon via City Centre and Gosforth
31 - Whickham View - Montagu Estate via City Centre and Gosforth
32 - Benwell - Walker
36 - Slatyford - City Centre
38 - Whickham View - Freeman Hospital
39 - Dumpling Hall - Walker
40 - Chapel House - Wallsend
62 - North Walbottle - Killingworth
63 - Chapel House - Killingworth
64 - West Denton - Killingworth via City Centre, Byker, Wallsend and Four Lane Ends
71 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Westerhope (replacing M71)
72 - City Centre - Chapel House
73 - City Centre - Callerton via Fenham
74 - Central Station - Hexham
75 - Central Station - Throckley via West Denton
84 - West Denton - Metrocentre via Denton Burn, Slatyford, Fenham, City Centre and Benwell (replacing 84/84A)
X47 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Gosforth
X63 - South Gosforth - City Centre
X78 - City Centre - Darras Hall
X79 - City Centre - Kirkley Hall
X82 - Throckley - City Centre
X87/X88 - City Centre - Newbiggin Hall via Cowgate (no longer serving Blakelaw)
(31 Dec 2021, 12:12 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]1 - Benwell - Cobalt
6 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Kingston Park and Blakelaw
7 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Gosforth and Blakelaw
8 - Four Lane Ends - Central Station via Blakelaw (Springfield Road)
10/11 - West Denton - Throckley via City Centre and Slatyford
12 - Slatyford - Wallsend
13 - West Denton - Walker (replacing 13)
14 - Benwell - Slatyford via Blakelaw and Newbiggin Hall
18 - Benton Estate - Walker
22 - West Denton - Cobalt/Silverlink
23 - Newcastle - Hadrian Park
30 - Whickham View - Fawdon via City Centre and Gosforth
31 - Whickham View - Montagu Estate via City Centre and Gosforth
32 - Benwell - Walker
36 - Slatyford - City Centre
38 - Whickham View - Freeman Hospital
39 - Dumpling Hall - Walker
40 - Chapel House - Wallsend
62 - North Walbottle - Killingworth
63 - Chapel House - Killingworth
64 - West Denton - Killingworth via City Centre, Byker, Wallsend and Four Lane Ends
71 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Westerhope (replacing M71)
72 - City Centre - Chapel House
73 - City Centre - Callerton via Fenham
74 - Central Station - Hexham
75 - Central Station - Throckley via West Denton
84 - West Denton - Metrocentre via Denton Burn, Slatyford, Fenham, City Centre and Benwell (replacing 84/84A)
X47 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Gosforth
X63 - South Gosforth - City Centre
X78 - City Centre - Darras Hall
X79 - City Centre - Kirkley Hall
X82 - Throckley - City Centre
X87/X88 - City Centre - Newbiggin Hall via Cowgate (no longer serving Blakelaw)
Since you keep wanting to change around services in Walker area and people wanted to get arid of the 18/32/32A personally I'd look at something like:
12 (Every 30 mins) - Current route to Byker then Union Road, Welbeck Road, Monkchester Road and continue to Wallsend via 12 route.
13 (Every 30 mins) - Current route to Byker then 18 route to Walker Road and continue to Wallsend via 12 route.
14 (Every 30 mins) - Current route to Byker then Shields Road, Sprogg Road, Welbeck Road and continue to Wallsend via 12 route.
32 (Every 30 mins) - Current route to Byker extended to Four Lane Ends via 18 route.
39 (Every 12 mins) - Current 39 to Walker, continue onto Walker and 12 route back to Byker.
40 (Every 12 mins) - Current 40 to Byker then reverse of above.
32/32A East of Byker withdrawn partially replaced by 14 and covered by Q3 in other areas.
40 East of Welbeck Road withdrawn replaced by 12/14.
18 East of Byker withdrawn covered by 13 and Q3.
(31 Dec 2021, 1:36 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Since you keep wanting to change around services in Walker area and people wanted to get arid of the 18/32/32A personally I'd look at something like:
12 (Every 30 mins) - Current route to Byker then Union Road, Welbeck Road, Monkchester Road and continue to Wallsend via 12 route.
13 (Every 30 mins) - Current route to Byker then 18 route to Walker Road and continue to Wallsend via 12 route.
14 (Every 30 mins) - Current route to Byker then Shields Road, Sprogg Road, Welbeck Road and continue to Wallsend via 12 route.
32 (Every 30 mins) - Current route to Byker extended to Four Lane Ends via 18 route.
39 (Every 12 mins) - Current 39 to Walker, continue onto Walker and 12 route back to Byker.
40 (Every 12 mins) - Current 40 to Byker then reverse of above.
32/32A East of Byker withdrawn partially replaced by 14 and covered by Q3 in other areas.
40 East of Welbeck Road withdrawn replaced by 12/14.
18 East of Byker withdrawn covered by 13 and Q3.
I'd like to see the 32/32A withdrawn and replaced by a 23 between Newcastle and Hadrian Park. 30/31 runs Newcastle - Benwell - Fenham anyway.
Service 1 might need rerouting in Slatyford when the roundabout at the end of its route is turned into a junction.
71 should run from town and current route to Westerhope but extend it to Kingston Park Shops replacing the M71 and creating a new direct link.
The 84 should be operated by Stagecoach and serve Metrocentre in both directions.
(31 Dec 2021, 12:12 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]1 - Benwell - Cobalt
6 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Kingston Park and Blakelaw
7 - Four Lane Ends - Metrocentre via Gosforth and Blakelaw
8 - Four Lane Ends - Central Station via Blakelaw (Springfield Road)
10/11 - West Denton - Throckley via City Centre and Slatyford
12 - Slatyford - Wallsend
13 - West Denton - Walker (replacing 13)
14 - Benwell - Slatyford via Blakelaw and Newbiggin Hall
18 - Benton Estate - Walker
22 - West Denton - Cobalt/Silverlink
23 - Newcastle - Hadrian Park
30 - Whickham View - Fawdon via City Centre and Gosforth
31 - Whickham View - Montagu Estate via City Centre and Gosforth
32 - Benwell - Walker
36 - Slatyford - City Centre
38 - Whickham View - Freeman Hospital
39 - Dumpling Hall - Walker
40 - Chapel House - Wallsend
62 - North Walbottle - Killingworth
63 - Chapel House - Killingworth
64 - West Denton - Killingworth via City Centre, Byker, Wallsend and Four Lane Ends
71 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Westerhope (replacing M71)
72 - City Centre - Chapel House
73 - City Centre - Callerton via Fenham
74 - Central Station - Hexham
75 - Central Station - Throckley via West Denton
84 - West Denton - Metrocentre via Denton Burn, Slatyford, Fenham, City Centre and Benwell (replacing 84/84A)
X47 - City Centre - Kingston Park via Gosforth
X63 - South Gosforth - City Centre
X78 - City Centre - Darras Hall
X79 - City Centre - Kirkley Hall
X82 - Throckley - City Centre
X87/X88 - City Centre - Newbiggin Hall via Cowgate (no longer serving Blakelaw)
Why would the X63 not go to Killingworth? Surely it’s the fast route to the City Centre rather than going via Byker.
(01 Jan 2022, 11:08 am)RMF1254 wrote [ -> ]Why would the X63 not go to Killingworth? Surely it’s the fast route to the City Centre rather than going via Byker.
Conversely why would anyone route the X47 through Gosforth instead of the direct route it takes through Cowgate?
(01 Jan 2022, 1:41 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]Conversely why would anyone route the X47 through Gosforth instead of the direct route it takes through Cowgate?
X77, X78, X79 and X87/X88 link with the 6 to Kingston Park. 47 used to run via Gosforth/Regent Centre to Kingston Park years ago.
X63 doesn't need to serve Killingworth, there are so many buses in Killingworth and we are meant to change buses in town apparently.
22X and X39 will likely be withdrawn because of the death of the Cobalt.
(01 Jan 2022, 3:16 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]X77, X78, X79 and X87/X88 link with the 6 to Kingston Park. 47 used to run via Gosforth/Regent Centre to Kingston Park years ago.
X63 doesn't need to serve Killingworth, there are so many buses in Killingworth and we are meant to change buses in town apparently.
22X and X39 will likely be withdrawn because of the death of the Cobalt.
X63 is a faster version for anyone from Newcastle to Killingworth who use stagecoach
Cant see the X39 being withdrawn neither the 22X
X63 could possibly be extended futher say to Cramlington see if it would attract anymore customers (just a suggestion)
(01 Jan 2022, 3:16 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]X77, X78, X79 and X87/X88 link with the 6 to Kingston Park. 47 used to run via Gosforth/Regent Centre to Kingston Park years ago.
X63 doesn't need to serve Killingworth, there are so many buses in Killingworth and we are meant to change buses in town apparently.
22X and X39 will likely be withdrawn because of the death of the Cobalt.
The 47 used to run in a loop around Gosforth and back into town with the 48 running in the opposite direction through Cowgate (or vice versa). Tbe direct link between Kingston Park and Newcastle always remained. I don't envision cutting the current link and forcing people onto the 6 to transfer onto another bus, which in the case of the X87/X88, would mean standing at a bus stop in the vicinity of Harehills Avenue (which isn't the nicest place to wait) is going to be popular. In fact, it's the sort of decision which will make people ditch the service completely in favour of the car or Metro.
(31 Dec 2021, 10:13 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]
I'd like to see the 32/32A withdrawn and replaced by a 23 between Newcastle and Hadrian Park. 30/31 runs Newcastle - Benwell - Fenham anyway.
Service 1 might need rerouting in Slatyford when the roundabout at the end of its route is turned into a junction.
71 should run from town and current route to Westerhope but extend it to Kingston Park Shops replacing the M71 and creating a new direct link.
The 84 should be operated by Stagecoach and serve Metrocentre in both directions.
What would run via South Benwell?
(01 Jan 2022, 3:39 pm)Train8261 wrote [ -> ]X63 is a faster version for anyone from Newcastle to Killingworth who use stagecoach
Cant see the X39 being withdrawn neither the 22X
X63 could possibly be extended futher say to Cramlington see if it would attract anymore customers (just a suggestion)
Stagecoach used to run an X43 via the X63 route to Killingworth then on to Cramlington via Burradon and Dudley
(01 Jan 2022, 3:39 pm)Train8261 wrote [ -> ]X63 is a faster version for anyone from Newcastle to Killingworth who use stagecoach
Cant see the X39 being withdrawn neither the 22X
X63 could possibly be extended futher say to Cramlington see if it would attract anymore customers (just a suggestion)
There's no need for anymore buses between Cramlington and Killingworth, there's already 5 buses an hour which is too much as it is. It would just end up being a slow X8 or a duplicate 42/52/53.