North East Buses

When the new Roseden Way link road opens at Great Park, I'd suggest extending the X47 from Kingston Park to Wagonway Drive.

Just a small suggestion,some stops on Tynemouth Road are now no longer served at all,and elderly people in particular depnded on those services so maybe in the future
12-extends hourly to operate like this High Street East,Tynemouth Road,Howdon Lane,Bewick Road,Hadrian Road,Wallsend Interchange

(31 Mar 2022, 10:05 am)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Just a small suggestion,some stops on Tynemouth  Road are now no longer served at all,and elderly people in particular depnded on those services so maybe in the future
12-extends hourly to operate like this  High Street East,Tynemouth Road,Howdon Lane,Bewick Road,Hadrian Road,Wallsend Interchange

Good point but I would think the 18 would be a better option, as it would help to give Westbourne Avenue as service to Wallsend again. You couldn’t really extend the 12 hourly anyway as the timings wouldn’t work.

you could even extend the Q3 half hourly from St Peters and it would be easily doable with 2 buses. Would have to be Nexus funded I guess though.

(31 Mar 2022, 10:22 am)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]Good point but I would think the 18 would be a better option, as it would help to give Westbourne Avenue as service to Wallsend again. You couldn’t really extend the 12 hourly anyway as the timings wouldn’t work.

you could even extend the Q3 half hourly from St Peters and it would be easily doable with 2 buses. Would have to be Nexus funded I guess though.

Fair point,it would also give the 18 more of a purpose instead of just carrying fresh air,genuinely surprised the 18 has lasted this long

(31 Mar 2022, 5:04 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Fair point,it would also give the 18 more of a purpose instead of just carrying fresh air,genuinely surprised the 18 has lasted this long

Yeah, even more strange that the tender requires double deckers!

(31 Mar 2022, 5:04 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Fair point,it would also give the 18 more of a purpose instead of just carrying fresh air,genuinely surprised the 18 has lasted this long

imo. they should merge the 6/7 and 18 from/to the Freeman and extend the 38 to do the bit from the Freeman to the BT Call Centre.

Would give links from Byker / Heaton direct through to Gosforth and beyond plus the famous Kingston Park.

New SC suggestion
X35
Newcastle
Gateshead
Non-Stop
Fellgate
John Reid Road
South Tyneside Hospital
Harton
Westoe
Chichester
South Shields
Marine Park& ocean beach fair

Every 30 mins

X36
Newcastle
Gateshead
Non-Stop
Boldon Asda
West Boldon
East Boldon
Cleadon
Harton
Westoe
South Shields
Marine Park & Ocean beach fair

Every 30 minutes

These services will provide an every 15 minute link with Newcastle & Gateshead with South Shields & Ocean beach fair
Aswell as this these buses will provide a new fast link by bus to Newcastle for Fellgate, East & West Boldon, Cleadon & South Tyneside Hospital.

Further more these services will terminate at Ocean beach fair to create a more direct route to the fair from Newcastle.

These services will interwork at both ends of the route.

These services will run on Sundays too with an hourly individual frequency & half hourly combined frequency

(05 Jun 2022, 3:26 pm)GNE6312 wrote [ -> ]New SC suggestion
X35
Newcastle
Gateshead
Non-Stop
Fellgate
John Reid Road
South Tyneside Hospital
Harton
Westoe
Chichester
South Shields
Marine Park& ocean beach fair

Every 30 mins

X36
Newcastle
Gateshead
Non-Stop
Boldon Asda
West Boldon
East Boldon
Cleadon
Harton
Westoe
South Shields
Marine Park & Ocean beach fair

Every 30 minutes

These services will provide an every 15 minute link with Newcastle & Gateshead with South Shields & Ocean beach fair
Aswell as this these buses will provide a new fast link by bus to Newcastle for Fellgate, East & West Boldon, Cleadon & South Tyneside Hospital.

Further more these services will terminate at Ocean beach fair to create a more direct route to the fair from Newcastle.

These services will interwork at both ends of the route.

These services will run on Sundays too with an hourly individual frequency & half hourly combined frequency

Not sure on the links for Fellgate and East Boldon,  the Metro has put paid to past services that have tried these such as the X3 and X36 from GNE.
But I do agree that there needs to be an alternative to the Metro and the 27 from South Shields to Newcastle.

(05 Jun 2022, 4:27 pm)ifm001 wrote [ -> ]Not sure on the links for Fellgate and East Boldon,  the Metro has put paid to past services that have tried these such as the X3 and X36 from GNE.
But I do agree that there needs to be an alternative to the Metro and the 27 from South Shields to Newcastle.

The problem Shields has is catchment, The X34 has Horsley Hill, Marsden, Harton/Cauldwell, Whiteleas, Biddick Hall and Boldon. You can't get much better coverage than that.

Don't get the obsession with trying to compete with the Metro which has no traffic issues and therefore a much more reliable service and even further is much quicker aswell.

No-one bar people obsessed with buses would choose the bus.

(06 Jun 2022, 7:48 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]Don't get the obsession with trying to compete with the Metro which has no traffic issues and therefore a much more reliable service and even further is much quicker aswell.

No-one bar people obsessed with buses would choose the bus.

Suppose people outside of the area might. How many people know that explore tickets and ENCT passes can be used on the metro but not that many people do know that. Ideally you need what can cover Northern rail bus services and the metro at the moment nothing like that does actually exist so the buses in the summer months could actually work.

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x36

Clavering Estate
Hart Station
Hartlepool Marina
Hartlepool Centre
Greatham
Low Grange Estate
Billingham Centre
North Tees Hospital
A19
Middlesbrough

21
Greatham Village
Catcote Road
Brooke Estate
Town Centre
Marina
University Hospital
Throston Grange
Bishop Cuthbert

(06 Jun 2022, 7:48 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]Don't get the obsession with trying to compete with the Metro which has no traffic issues and therefore a much more reliable service and even further is much quicker aswell.

No-one bar people obsessed with buses would choose the bus.

Is it about competing with the metro or offering some sort of alternative? 
The 27 is probably the only thing that could be classed as competing with the Metro on the southern side of the metro, but for sections of the route, doesn't. Hence it's appeal in certain areas.

But at the same time, not many will do point to point journeys and not many people are living in town centres nor want to be in them either.
A 15/20 min bus ride in to Shields town centre from one of the outlying areas followed by another x number of mins on the metro could easily be counteracted by an alternative. Such as the X34.

(06 Jun 2022, 11:05 am)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Is it about competing with the metro or offering some sort of alternative? 
The 27 is probably the only thing that could be classed as competing with the Metro on the southern side of the metro, but for sections of the route, doesn't. Hence it's appeal in certain areas.

But at the same time, not many will do point to point journeys and not many people are living in town centres nor want to be in them either.
A 15/20 min bus ride in to the town centre followed by another x number of mins on the metro could easily be counteracted by an alternative. Such as the X34.

Not sure any of those routes really offer anything unique though. It just runs the Metro line avoiding anywhere of actual note. Least the 27 connects Hebburn, Jarrow, South Shields, Pelaw and the estates around them.

The X34 then serves pretty much everywhere else in between which is too far to connect to the Metro.

One of those routes just run Newcastle - Fellgate - Brockley Whins - Tyne Dock - Chichester - South Shields - Beach and the other pretty much is Newcastle - Boldon (X34) - West Boldon - East Boldon (M) - Harton (X34) - Westoe (M) - South Shields (M). Very little demand there especially when the 30 is pretty much the second route and seriously struggles.

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Mind that said I'd love to see some form of beach / tourist service which interworks with the Metro, Ferry and all the bus operators and have something like maybe operated by open top buses.

S1 - Seaton Delaval Hall - Seaton Sluice - Whitley Bay Lighthouse - Whitley Bay Spanish City - Whitley Bay Town Centre - Cullercoats - Tynemouth Aquarium - Tynemouth - Tynemouth Metro - North Shields Fish Quay - North Shields Ferry (Connect) - North Shields Metro
S2 - Sunderland - Roker - Seaburn - Whitburn - Souter Lighthouse - South Shields Dunes - South Shields Metro - South Shields Ferry (Connect)

Be nice to be able to get to most the noticeable tourist spots on one bus and using the ferry as a good connection over the water which would be popular with the kids. Then maybe there might be a case to start them both direct in Newcastle with one early board and one late board running direct similar to the X11 so it's like a novelty day out.

If either GNE or SNE were to divert an existing Sunderland service to serve Pallion, Millfield and The Hospital, which would be the best candidate?

(23 Jun 2023, 8:39 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]If either GNE or SNE were to divert an existing Sunderland service to serve Pallion, Millfield and The Hospital, which would be the best candidate?

Chester Rd and Hylton Rd are already well served, and so is Pallion. Seems a waste of resources.

(23 Jun 2023, 9:11 pm)Economic505 wrote [ -> ]Chester Rd and Hylton Rd are already well served, and so is Pallion. Seems a waste of resources.

You currently have the 11, 99 and 935 for Pallion. None of those go into the retail park and the 11 is being changed soon. Would I be better off serving trimdon street before pallion.

(24 Jun 2023, 8:39 am)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]You currently have the 11, 99 and 935 for Pallion. None of those go into the retail park and the 11 is being changed soon. Would I be better off serving trimdon street before pallion.

This is what happens when bus companies are private bus companies and after dereg there can run there bus services on any route and timetables that suits them along there are registered to the traffic commissioners, it comes down to the local authorities to fund bus services which are deemed necessary, but since the budget for secured bus to the local authorities from the corrupt culprit government gets less each year and plus private bus companies are reducing there commercial services even more puts on even more strain for the local authorities to step in.

Service 11 used to go in Pallion retail park but the demand is not there no more and not viable to make profit for the big cats.


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(24 Jun 2023, 10:10 am)cbma06 wrote [ -> ]This is what happens when bus companies are private bus companies and after dereg there can run there bus services on any route and timetables that suits them along there are registered to the traffic commissioners, it comes down to the local authorities to fund bus services which are deemed necessary, but since the budget for secured bus to the local authorities from the corrupt culprit government gets less each year and plus private bus companies are reducing there commercial services even more puts on even more strain for the local authorities to step in.

Service 11 used to go in Pallion retail park but the demand is not there no more and not viable to make profit for the big cats.


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I'm sure the 594 still goes down to the retail park?, I'm 50% sure the 18/19 went down at once point too.

(24 Jun 2023, 10:23 am)Michael wrote [ -> ]I'm sure the 594 still goes down to the retail park?, I'm 50% sure the 18/19 went down at once point too.

Not sure on the 18/19 off the top of my head, but the 6 certainly did back in the day so the 18 may have replaced it when that was withdrawn.

On service suggestions, seems a realy missed opportunity with the open toppers - a couple were out today, absolutely rammed (and so horrendously late running) from Sunderland to Seaburn then pretty empty.  Can't help but think running them as the old 22 even only Sunderland to Whitburn or Marsden for folk who want a trip out to the beach on an open topper might build passenger numebrs while also not having such a crippling effect on the Es through to South Shields.  Must have been a fair bit of lost mileage on those services today as there were a lot of dead runs to reposition vehicles taking place.

Something like this taking in The Glass Centre, St Peters, The Marina, then right along the seafront to Souter Lighthouse and Marsden if advertised properly could work well.  Should take about 30 mins, so allowing for delays, boarding time, layover etc on a 30 min frequency could comfortably manage with 3 of the Tridents, leaving one spare.  https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.90751...?entry=ttu

Following on from my GNE express suggestions are there any routes where an express version might work where one doesn't already exist e.g. an 36X in Middlesbrough or a 40X in Newcastle