North East Buses

Thursday 3rd September 2015 | Adult Single: 60p (30) and North East Explorer (£9.70)

10:00 #30 North Seaton B&Q to Ashington, Fifth Avenue (almost!) - Phoenix Taxis KV02 URY
After walking to North Seaton, to ensure that I don't miss this journey. I flagged down the bus in the layby, just to have the driver gesturing that he won't stop. He did stop, he opened his doors and explained that the layby wasn't a bus stop and how he wouldn't pick me up there again. I was allowed to board, he went off to a mobile canteen to get some coffee. He returned and drove around the corner, where he got off and wandered into some bushes for some reason. I was the only person on board until Fifth Avenue, we passed Arriva Sapphire 7503, broken down in the bus stop at Seventh Avenue. I pressed the bell and shortly he passed my stop at speed, he apologised and braked sharply.

After dropping off my mams parcel at the house, I walked up to 7503, to see what's happened. The supervisor was there awaiting the assistance of a fitter, who shortly arrived in Toyota Hilux 9934 and diagnosed the issue as a burst coolant pipe. 

10:35 #1 Ashington, Seventh Avenue to Blyth Bus Station - Arriva Northumbria 1403 
As 7503 was blocking the bus stop, the driver gestured that the bus would stop in front of it. The driver issued me my Explorer ticket and waited for me to sit down before he set off. This was a quiet ride to Blyth. 

I picked up the new X14 and X15 timetables before waiting for a X5, 7458 was operating the X5 so I decided to get the 309.

11:19 #309 Blyth Bus Station to Newcastle Haymarket Bus Station - Go North East 6109
The driver was hesitant to let me on with my 'Arriva' ticket and showed me where to catch a 308. I had to repeat myself that it was an Explorer and he finally let me on. This was a nice ride up to the point of Cobalt, where a young girl and her grandma sat upstairs and started blaring music out loud. Once in Newcastle, I made my way to Eldon Square for a Greggs baguette and cloudy lemonade.

12:40 #46 Newcastle Eldon Square to MetroCentre Interchange - Go North East 5419
This was the first bus that I saw that went to the MetroCentre, so I went on it. I've done this journey many times and plus some child was whinging and grabbing the seat behind. Not a nice ride.

13:16 Metro Centre to Heworth - Northern Rail Class 142 'Pacer' 142084 
After a short wait, 142084 turned up. I sat down on what is basically a bench from an older bus with Northern Rail and First Great Western fabric. The conductor tried to charge me a full return to Nunthorpe as he was sure that Explorers weren't valid from here to Sunderland. He then went to his cab to check if they were valid, and he opened his door and gave a thumbs up. Nowt much else happened on this 'bus from hell' as my brother calls them.

13:47 #M12 Heworth Interchange to Heworth Interchange via Gateshead and Wardley - A-line KX58 BJE
I decided that the M12 would be the next route that I should use. This Plaxton Centro turned up, with a very happy driver who accepted my ticket with a smile. He happily accepted my request to stay on until Heworth on arrival at Gateshead and he asked if I was an enthusiast. After having a short chat he asked if I wanted a quick photo at Stand D. He posed in the photo. On arrival at Heworth, he asked if I wanted to stay on to have a trip to Wardley and back. So I did, the roads really don't help with all the potholes, with continous bangs and rattles. We then arrived back in Heworth, he left SNIS, presumably to do a school run.

14:45 #4 Heworth Interchange to Washington Galleries Bus Station - Go North East 5394
A short ride on this new-ish Citaro. I wasn't paying much attention as I was texting my mam. The bloke doing the announcements sounded he was really happy... Washington Gallerieeees! 

14:13 #23 Washington Galleries Bus Station to Birtley Morrisons - Gateshead Central Taxis SF15 JPV
A bus ride that I'll never forget. A small bus on a route with medium passenger loadings...?! The bus had "Birtley Lansbury Drive" indicated on the destinations. Luckily I read the threads with LeeCalder's mini-rants in them :P , so I knew that this bus continued to Birtley Morrisons and ultimately Barley Mow Estate. I boarded this bus, to have a driver ask "What's that?" when I showed my ticket. I explained to him what Explorers were... I must have been the only person on this bus that was under 40 years of age. The new bus smell is still lingering on here, but the bell didn't work...

15:00 #21 Birtley to Gateshead Interchange - Go North East 6061
The third Angel Gemini that I've used, unfortunately the announcements were working so I had to put up with Karen and Steve, or Steve and Karen from either Galaxy, Capital or Metro Radio, they can't make their mind up. Anyhoo, a short hop into Gateshead, where I alighted in to a strange brick stand, certainly different to the other side of the bus station. I found a dark dingy entrance to "Gateshead", not marked with a "M" sign or anything! I then found a strange large ticket hall, with the gates on the other side. As per usual, the inspectors were trying to get to level 54 on Candy Crush, they must have forgot that the gates were open...

15:45 Gateshead to Regent Centre - Tyne and Wear Metro 4007
This was a peak-time extra to Regent Centre. The front of the MetroCar was closed for driver training. It wasn't very busy on board to require those seats anyway. Picked up a few passengers at Jesmond. The auto-announcements announced that the train will terminate at the next station, Regent Centre. The the trainee driver announced that everyone should leave the train. Not long later, I arrived at Regent Centre, where I had aimed for a MPD on the X14 (now the X16). The next bus to Morpeth was the 44, hell, why not?!

15:55 #44 Regent Centre to Morpeth Bus Station - Arriva Northumbria 7488
I've always wanted to ride this route. The front seats were occupied up until Wide Open, but there's nowt to see there! I managed to get the front seats for the rest of the journey. This was a quiet ride from Dinnington onwards, with only a few people on by Morpeth. This was a relaxing journey, passing along near abandoned roads. 7488 was looking nice internally, it was clean, of course excluding the usual muck that passengers leave behind. These looked like they're in better condition than Ashington's. 

16:36 #35 Morpeth Bus Station to Ashington, Hirst Park - Arriva Northumbria 7480
I will miss these machines. Everytime I get one on the 35, I'm always thankful for a window that I can open unlike the StreetShites. Thankfully, the 44 didn't get held up at Stannington rail crossing, otherwise a misery StreetLite would be my ride home. Not much to say about the usual offerings of the 35.

I hope that you enjoyed this review.

The next bus outing should be on Wednesday when I buy myself an Arriva All Zones ticket.

(07 Sep 2015, 6:19 pm)GX03 SVC wrote [ -> ]13:16 Metro Centre to Heworth - Northern Rail Class 142 'Pacer' 142084 
After a short wait, 142084 turned up. I sat down on what is basically a bench from an older bus with Northern Rail and First Great Western fabric. The conductor tried to charge me a full return to Nunthorpe as he was sure that Explorers weren't valid from here to Sunderland. He then went to his cab to check if they were valid, and he opened his door and gave a thumbs up. Nowt much else happened on this 'bus from hell' as my brother calls them.

Explorers are not valid between Metrocentre and Newcastle.

(07 Sep 2015, 8:49 pm)northern156 wrote [ -> ]Explorers are not valid between Metrocentre and Newcastle.

I appreciate that's the official line and for all intents and purposes they're not, however, I've often used Explorers to travel between Sunderland and Metrocentre without being challenged. 

I think the guards presume Explorers are the same as Day Rovers which are, of course, valid on services between Sunderland and Blaydon.

(07 Sep 2015, 8:55 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]I appreciate that's the official line and for all intents and purposes they're not, however, I've often used Explorers to travel between Sunderland and Metrocentre without being challenged. 

I think the guards presume Explorers are the same as Day Rovers which are, of course, valid on services between Sunderland and Blaydon.

I can appreciate that mate. Just pointing out if anyone else thinks they're valid or not though.

(07 Sep 2015, 8:57 pm)northern156 wrote [ -> ]I can appreciate that mate. Just pointing out if anyone else thinks they're valid or not though.

The literature can be confusing at times because of the generic assumption posted at the bottom of the link provided in this thread which contradicts the information applicable to the Explorer ticket. Likewise, the Explorer map somehow includes Jedburgh even though I'm pretty sure it would be nigh-on impossible getting there using an Explorer ticket 

(07 Sep 2015, 8:49 pm)northern156 wrote [ -> ]Explorers are not valid between Metrocentre and Newcastle.

Whatever booklet the guard was reading in his cab must have shown it as Blaydon-Sunderland. He can't mistake it for a Rover after having a long look at it...!
From the bottom of the Explorer page;

(08 Sep 2015, 7:27 am)GX03 SVC wrote [ -> ]Whatever booklet the guard was reading in his cab must have shown it as Blaydon-Sunderland. He can't mistake it for a Rover after having a long look at it...!
From the bottom of the Explorer page;

Your screenshot actually alludes to Network One passes (including Day Rovers) as it states 'The Only One (big clue here!) For Unlimited Travel On Any Bus, Metro, Train And Ferry* Across Tyne And Wear!'. Now, as we all aware, the scope of the Explorer ticket extends beyond Tyne and Wear encompassing much of the north east. Therefore, if the text applies specifically to Explorer tickets, it should read something along the lines of 'The Only One for Unlimited Travel on Any Bus, Metro or Ferry in the North East* and trains between Metrocentre and Sunderland'. 


If you look to the right of the explorer page (as well as the actual leaflet), the literature clearly states the ticket is valid on trains between Newcastle and Sunderland only. Aside from the website, where generic Network One advertising, terms and conditions are stated, the leaflet does not include 'The Only One (once again, big clue here!) For Unlimited Travel On Any Bus, Metro, Train And Ferry* Across Tyne And Wear!' statement.

http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/docum...t_2015.pdf

It's worth noting that the leaflet was updated as of August 2015!

As I've said, I've travelled between Sunderland and Metrocentre on an Explorer without being challenged. However, the guards initial judgement was probably the correct one in your case. May I suggest printing, or obtaining a copy of the leaflet and see what the guard does when the leaflet is produced. My guess is, you'll have to pay the fare! 

(08 Sep 2015, 11:17 am)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]Your screenshot actually alludes to Network One passes (including Day Rovers) as it states 'The Only One (big clue here!) For Unlimited Travel On Any Bus, Metro, Train And Ferry* Across Tyne And Wear!'. Now, as we all aware, the scope of the Explorer ticket extends beyond Tyne and Wear encompassing much of the north east. Therefore, if the text applies specifically to Explorer tickets, it should read something along the lines of 'The Only One for Unlimited Travel on Any Bus, Metro or Ferry in the North East* and trains between Metrocentre and Sunderland'. 


If you look to the right of the explorer page (as well as the actual leaflet), the literature clearly states the ticket is valid on trains between Newcastle and Sunderland only. Aside from the website, where generic Network One advertising, terms and conditions are stated, the leaflet does not include 'The Only One (once again, big clue here!) For Unlimited Travel On Any Bus, Metro, Train And Ferry* Across Tyne And Wear!' statement.

http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/docum...t_2015.pdf

It's worth noting that the leaflet was updated as of August 2015!

As I've said, I've travelled between Sunderland and Metrocentre on an Explorer without being challenged. However, the guards initial judgement was probably the correct one in your case. May I suggest printing, or obtaining a copy of the leaflet and see what the guard does when the leaflet is produced. My guess is, you'll have to pay the fare! 

I've travelled on the Explorer many times between Metro Centre and Newcastle/Heworth and I never get challenged, I always check with the guard at the rear of the train before boarding. He was at the other end with the ramp and the train was due to depart anyway. I've noticed that the writing on the screenshot is on all pages, so that means that all Network One tickets are valid upto Metro Centre/Blaydon (ones that are valid on rail). 

There's also the chance that "Newcastle to Sunderland" is used for clarity, as everytime I ask Northern Customer Services if x ticket is valid to Metro Centre, they say yes. If it wasn't then Network One shouldn't be showing that on the bottom of the Explorer page, even if it is carried on all pages.

In relation to it being updated in August, would that not just be the new design...? 

The booklet that I saw the guard reading when he went to check was what looked like a company-issued booklet. If I haven't got a fine/full return it must be valid to Metro Centre/Blaydon...?

(08 Sep 2015, 11:46 am)GX03 SVC wrote [ -> ]I've travelled on the Explorer many times between Metro Centre and Newcastle/Heworth and I never get challenged, I always check with the guard at the rear of the train before boarding. He was at the other end with the ramp and the train was due to depart anyway. I've noticed that the writing on the screenshot is on all pages, so that means that all Network One tickets are valid upto Metro Centre/Blaydon (ones that are valid on rail). 

There's also the chance that "Newcastle to Sunderland" is used for clarity, as everytime I ask Northern Customer Services if x ticket is valid to Metro Centre, they say yes. If it wasn't then Network One shouldn't be showing that on the bottom of the Explorer page, even if it is carried on all pages.

In relation to it being updated in August, would that not just be the new design...? 

The booklet that I saw the guard reading when he went to check was what looked like a company-issued booklet. If I haven't got a fine/full return it must be valid to Metro Centre/Blaydon...?

I agree, it shouldn't, which is where, in my opinion, much of the confusion stems from - especially if both passengers and staff are using the website as a source.

I don't believe it's used for clarity, as you suggest, because the literature for both Network One passes and Day Rovers clearly state those tickets are valid for rail services between Sunderland and Blaydon - unlike the Explorer literature.

http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/docum...15_6pp.pdf

Maybe, the next time you purchase an Explorer, you should ask the guard for verified clarification from their source, ask for a copy, and forward it to Network Ticketing so that they can update their leaflets accordingly. 

However, if the guard delves a little deeper into your query, I still strongly suspect you'll be issued with a fare.

Just as a question, rather than anything else.

If Network Ticketing oversee both the Day Rover and Explorer, why is one definitely valid and one not (possibly/maybe) valid - on the Metrocentre stretch of track?

http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/ticke...er-tickets
http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/ticke...er-tickets

However, on this page (http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/big-savings) - it specifically states the Sunderland/Blaydon line is part of the network.

(08 Sep 2015, 12:18 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Just as a question, rather than anything else.

If Network Ticketing oversee both the Day Rover and Explorer, why is one definitely valid and one not (possibly/maybe) valid - on the Metrocentre stretch of track?

http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/ticke...er-tickets
http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/ticke...er-tickets

However, on this page (http://www.networkonetickets.co.uk/big-savings) - it specifically states the Sunderland/Blaydon line is part of the network.

Who knows?

Perhaps it's down to the fact the Explorer tickets are valid outside of Tyne and Wear thus operators are entitled to a greater share of the pot?
Traditionally, only the stretch of track between Newcastle and Sunderland feel under the partial remit of Tyne and Wear PTE. It wasn't until fairly recently that Blaydon, Metrocentre and Dunston became part of the network.

(08 Sep 2015, 12:24 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]Who knows?

Perhaps it's down to the fact the Explorer tickets are valid outside of Tyne and Wear thus operators are entitled to a greater share of the pot?
Traditionally, only the stretch of track between Newcastle and Sunderland feel under the partial remit of Tyne and Wear PTE. It wasn't until fairly recently that Blaydon, Metrocentre and Dunston became part of the network.

Hopefully someone knows!

However, it does open up another question I have often pondered, with regard to why the Newcastle - Sunderland line fell under the PTE remit and the Blaydon - Newcastle stretch didn't.

(08 Sep 2015, 12:46 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Hopefully someone knows!

However, it does open up another question I have often pondered, with regard to why the Newcastle - Sunderland line fell under the PTE remit and the Blaydon - Newcastle stretch didn't.

The Sunderland to Newcastle line fell under the remit of the PTE due of the lack of Metro provision. It was always intended to make that section of line (including stations) part of the network...eventually.

(08 Sep 2015, 11:46 am)GX03 SVC wrote [ -> ]I've travelled on the Explorer many times between Metro Centre and Newcastle/Heworth and I never get challenged, I always check with the guard at the rear of the train before boarding. He was at the other end with the ramp and the train was due to depart anyway. I've noticed that the writing on the screenshot is on all pages, so that means that all Network One tickets are valid upto Metro Centre/Blaydon (ones that are valid on rail). 

There's also the chance that "Newcastle to Sunderland" is used for clarity, as everytime I ask Northern Customer Services if x ticket is valid to Metro Centre, they say yes. If it wasn't then Network One shouldn't be showing that on the bottom of the Explorer page, even if it is carried on all pages.

In relation to it being updated in August, would that not just be the new design...? 

The booklet that I saw the guard reading when he went to check was what looked like a company-issued booklet. If I haven't got a fine/full return it must be valid to Metro Centre/Blaydon...?

Well I was told at Metrocentre by the Customer Service Assistant that my U16 POP Card isn'tvalid on the train from he Metrocentre yet the Nexus website states that you can.

(05 Sep 2015, 9:27 pm)Tom wrote [ -> ]Sounds like it would have been a decent trip if it wasn't for the issues with Thorntons! Lucky you got 4912 on the 17 instead of a dual door too.

You got some nice pictures too on your outing.

I was on 5156 yesterday on the 9 through the tunnel and it was awful

Yesterday I went out, thIs is what I did:
09:54 74 Edge Hill
10:29 Eldon Square
Bus was 560, still had East Durham college adverts
Rating 8.5/10
10:35 X21 Eldon Square
10:45 Gateshead
Bus was 6035, sounded quite nice and healthy, I actually travelled on this bus in London, one of the better ex London presidents.
Rating 8/10
11:02 Metro Gateshead
11:17 Jarrow
Rating 7/10
11:31 9 Jarrow
11:46 North Shields
Bus was 5156, it was 5+ minutes late and made an awful sound, especially in the tunnel with the echos. Would not recommend the service unless with an omnicity.
Rating 4.5/10
12:03 19 North Shields
12:52 Cramlington
Bus was 5247, in great shape, just I was boiled alive sitting at the back, must say this was unplanned as I was meant to board the 11:50 310 but we missed it. Would recommend, especially the Northumberland Park to Seaton Delavel section. Wanted this bus on the 9.
Rating 9.5/10
12:58 43 Cramlington
13:17 Brunton Lane
Bus was 4661, unusual on this route. It sounded like a GNE solar,, worst omnicity I have been on. Seating was worn badly
Rating 5.5/10
13:23 Q3 Brunton Lane
13:31 Great Park Wagonway Drive
Rating 6.5/10

(08 Sep 2015, 1:19 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]The Sunderland to Newcastle line fell under the remit of the PTE due of the lack of Metro provision. It was always intended to make that section of line (including stations) part of the network...eventually.

Appreciate we are getting way off topic like...

The whole getting the Metro to Sunderland and subsiding both post and pre-privatisation always puzzled me.

I get why the PTE may have wanted to fill the lack of Metro provision to Sunderland, but I don't understand why the lack of provision there, was covered by PTE funding, but West Gateshead (who also have a lack of a Metro), didn't get similar.

Obviously the original idea, was to reinvigorate the original suburban railway that existed and link them together, via the underground section - with buses feeding into the interchange points (the original NE hub and spoke?) and not crossing the river.
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Would it not have made more sense, to make Blaydon an Interchange, with trains  running into Newcastle - just as they did and still do, from Wearside?

Timetabled journey time by train, Newcastle to Blaydon westbound = 22 mins. Timetabled bus journey time on 11/11A/32, Central Station to Blaydon, at best 13 mins, at worst 16 mins. So no, interchange at Blaydon doesn't make sense for journeys from Newcastle. For travel to Sunderland it probably does make sense to change at Blaydon, because the train is faster; but for travel to Middlesbrough the X9/X10 beats the train because the Durham Coast line speed is too low.

(10 Sep 2015, 12:22 pm)eezypeazy wrote [ -> ]Timetabled journey time by train, Newcastle to Blaydon westbound = 22 mins. Timetabled bus journey time on 11/11A/32, Central Station to Blaydon, at best 13 mins, at worst 16 mins.

The 1824 departure from Newcastle operates via Dunston and Metrocentre, arriving in to Blaydon at 1837, so the journey time is only 13 minutes. The longest journey appears to be a morning journey from Blaydon to Newcastle, calling at Metrocentre and Dunston, taking 19 minutes. For journeys operating via Metrocentre only, the journey time is 12 minutes. Not sure where you got 22 minutes from?

(10 Sep 2015, 12:22 pm)eezypeazy wrote [ -> ]Timetabled journey time by train, Newcastle to Blaydon westbound = 22 mins. Timetabled bus journey time on 11/11A/32, Central Station to Blaydon, at best 13 mins, at worst 16 mins. So no, interchange at Blaydon doesn't make sense for journeys from Newcastle. For travel to Sunderland it probably does make sense to change at Blaydon, because the train is faster; but for travel to Middlesbrough the X9/X10 beats the train because the Durham Coast line speed is too low.

The 612 (http://northeastbuses.co.uk/archive/TWPT...st1976.pdf) took 13 mins Marlbrough Cresc - Blaydon in 76
The 11/32 take 19 minutes Blaydon - Eldon Square currently.


Northern Rail (http://tickets.northernrail.org/tickets), takes between 12 and 19 mins Blaydon - Newcastle Central.

(10 Sep 2015, 12:04 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Appreciate we are getting way off topic like...

The whole getting the Metro to Sunderland and subsiding both post and pre-privatisation always puzzled me.

I get why the PTE may have wanted to fill the lack of Metro provision to Sunderland, but I don't understand why the lack of provision there, was covered by PTE funding, but West Gateshead (who also have a lack of a Metro), didn't get similar.

Obviously the original idea, was to reinvigorate the original suburban railway that existed and link them together, via the underground section - with buses feeding into the interchange points (the original NE hub and spoke?) and not crossing the river.
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Would it not have made more sense, to make Blaydon an Interchange, with trains  running into Newcastle - just as they did and still do, from Wearside?

Huge swathes of both Newcastle and Gateshead are without access to the Metro. However the Metro does touch venture into both boroughs so, I'm guessing, it was less of an issue for each respective council to pursue as there was, at least, some benefit for taxpayers through limited provision whereas Sunderland received no provision yet was still footing the bill.

(10 Sep 2015, 4:38 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]Huge swathes of both Newcastle and Gateshead are without access to the Metro. However the Metro does touch venture into both boroughs so, I'm guessing, it was less of an issue for each respective council to pursue as there was, at least, some benefit for taxpayers through limited provision whereas Sunderland received no provision yet was still footing the bill.

This.

This is what there were an awful lot of vox pop complaints about on regional news programs and in local papers on a regular basis for a long time before the Sunderland extension even became a definite maybe.

(10 Sep 2015, 4:38 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]Huge swathes of both Newcastle and Gateshead are without access to the Metro. However the Metro does touch venture into both boroughs so, I'm guessing, it was less of an issue for each respective council to pursue as there was, at least, some benefit for taxpayers through limited provision whereas Sunderland received no provision yet was still footing the bill.

(10 Sep 2015, 8:06 pm)BusLoverMum wrote [ -> ]This.

This is what there were an awful lot of vox pop complaints about on regional news programs and in local papers on a regular basis for a long time before the Sunderland extension even became a definite maybe.

Same with Washington. Though we used to have a range of services that connected just about every part of Washington with the Metro, so you could take advantage of a Transfare. No such luck these days though. I think Washington is officially the largest town without a railway service of any sort now?

It's not just parts of Tyne and Wear without Metro that are footing the bill. It'll soon be Durham and Northumberland paying the ITA too. I fully expect it to commence with the coming year's council tax statements.

(10 Sep 2015, 8:06 pm)BusLoverMum wrote [ -> ]This.

This is what there were an awful lot of vox pop complaints about on regional news programs and in local papers on a regular basis for a long time before the Sunderland extension even became a definite maybe.

From the documents I've read, the Sunderland extension was always in the pipeline from the Metro's initial inception circa 1973, as the Local Government Act of 1972 gave power to the five main local authorities thus facilitating the formation of the county of Tyne and Wear in 1974. The main problem with converting Sunderland from heavy-light rail was that it used by both freight and other rail services to/from Teesside and beyond. The Karlsruhe model of line-sharing probably could've been implemented (and perhaps innovated here in the North East) sooner, but an arrangement was reached where the local PTE were responsible for overseeing local rail services between Sunderland and Newcastle (much like MerseyRail and the like).

(10 Sep 2015, 8:11 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]Same with Washington. Though we used to have a range of services that connected just about every part of Washington with the Metro, so you could take advantage of a Transfare. No such luck these days though. I think Washington is officially the largest town without a railway service of any sort now?

It's not just parts of Tyne and Wear without Metro that are footing the bill. It'll soon be Durham and Northumberland paying the ITA too. I fully expect it to commence with the coming year's council tax statements.

The main problem with Washington's rail link (or lack thereof) is funding. Most agree reopening the Leamside Line is a good idea but nobody actually wants to pay for it. It's a sad state of affairs.

(10 Sep 2015, 8:30 pm)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]The main problem with Washington's rail link (or lack thereof) is funding. Most agree reopening the Leamside Line is a good idea but nobody actually wants to pay for it.

Yup. I've said before that there's a big stand off going on, and I don't doubt it being true for a second. It appears to me that the PTE, Nissan and Network Rail all want to reopen the line. They'd all benefit from it in different ways, but none of them want to fund it!

(10 Sep 2015, 1:44 pm)BJ10VUS wrote [ -> ]The 1824 departure from Newcastle operates via Dunston and Metrocentre, arriving in to Blaydon at 1837, so the journey time is only 13 minutes. The longest journey appears to be a morning journey from Blaydon to Newcastle, calling at Metrocentre and Dunston, taking 19 minutes. For journeys operating via Metrocentre only, the journey time is 12 minutes. Not sure where you got 22 minutes from?

Sincere apologies... I read the timetable incorrectly....

http://www.northernrail.org/pdfs/timetab...0517/4.pdf

The rail time westbound is 12 mins. approx.

I was trying to be fair by omitting eastbound journeys, when the railway builds in some recovery time at NCL; and by comparing only Central Station to Blaydon, both as a 'proxy' for Marlborough Cres and to exclude the city centre penetration advantage that the bus gets over the train. Equally, I omitted the 'walking time' between Blaydon Station and the bus station. So the two journeys are comparable in time. But train is once every two hours, and the bus is four times an hour (every 10mins in peaks).

For rail from Blaydon to Newcastle to become an attractive alternative would require significant investment - notably in expensive track rebuilding east of Dunston to remove the 25mph speed limit, and in extra trains to provide a reasonable frequency. Then rail (in its present form) still doesn't penetrate the city centre, and Blaydon station is very much marooned on the wrong side of the A695 from Blaydon town centre - both of which could only be resolved with very, very expensive infrastructure projects.

Although this is going rather off-topic here...

Ventured back up to the North last weekend. Had a nice ride on the 'Connecting the dots' E200s and the Volvo demonstrator at Deptford. It was great to hear the Geordie accent again   .

(07 Sep 2015, 8:49 pm)northern156 wrote [ -> ]Explorers are not valid between Metrocentre and Newcastle.

(08 Sep 2015, 11:46 am)GX03 SVC wrote [ -> ]If I haven't got a fine/full return it must be valid to Metro Centre/Blaydon...?

See above quote.

The booklet a guard normally has is a fares manual; local interchangeable tickets such as Explorers probably won't be in there unless it's been added in by the company.

This morning, after waking up rather early from a night shift a few hours before, I decided to have a bus trip. I've been wanting to do a North West explorer for a while now so drove to Brampton for 1020 ish.

This day has been one of the worst trips I've ever had, from ignorant passengers, to those taking sodding ages to do anything/go anywhere to missing three buses, also just generally being fed up. As such I won't be adding a lot of comments in (just the positive ones) - here's just a log of what I've done today.

1034 685 Brampton to Carlisle Bus Station - 27142
I originally got mixed up between the times for the 'short' 685 to/from Brampton and the normal one to/from Newcastle. 27142 turned up on an ex-Newcastle, with only a few seats remaining at the front (sideways ones). Was an alright journey, not a lot of people annoyed me on this! Got to Carlisle around 3 minutes late where I was planning a +4 min connection onto a 554 to Keswick. Luckily I made this!
1100 554 Carlisle Bus Station to Keswick Bus Station - 34704
All 554s I've seen recently have been operated by Tridents; however the vehicle sitting in the 554 stand blinded up was 34704; a previous Carlisle city bus. I didn't have a massive amount of options to do otherwise so I went ahead and boarded. Sat right at the back on the nearside.
This journey wound me up no end. There was a couple generally possessing an irritating presence (the type of people you know you don't want to be near). I forgot the journey until just after Wigton went 'around the houses' into small villages etc - this quite annoyed me too! But by far the most vexing thing on this was the sheer heat from the bus; normally not a problem but nearly everyone was sat with coats and jackets on (lady in front having at least 3 layers at first). Yet not ONE person decided it'd be a good idea to open a window! I wasn't far from feeling sick/queasy by the end of the trip.
Got to Keswick and noticed an ex-London open-top Trident sat blinded up for the 78 to Seatoller; a route I've still needed prior to now. I noticed the driver fidgeting (a good sign he was ready to leave soon) however every single old fogie decided to push in front of me to get off and take bloody ages! Therefore, once I had alighted, the 78 had departed. To be truthful I was about ready to knock an old woman on the head.

Disgruntled I headed over to the co-op (with their very uninspiring sandwiches on offer) and got a Tuna Sweetcorn sandwich with a bag of Golden Wonder crisps (only 30p) with a chicken cocktail and ketchup thing and a bottle of 'Smart Water' (I used to think this was applied to copper to prevent thieves stealing it). Apparently it's vapour distilled with added electrolytes - more water in it than standard bottles for the same price! I then walked back to the bus station to await the arrival of the inbound Seatoller.

1230 78 Keswick Bus Station to Borrowdale Hotel - 17489
To my relief it was another LX51 plated open-top Trident; this time in the guise of 17489. I sat near to the back on the top deck to get some fresh air. My lunch was disgusting quite frankly although I still ate it to keep my strength up. Was quite a pleasant journey; there was one weirdo sat on the centre back seat with glasses on and looked... motionless. I got to the Borrowdale Hotel (gorgeous scenery around here) where we waited for a good 5 minutes. I headed downstairs and asked if we met the other bus here. The driver replied that we did but he was running a bit late. Over the top of the hill appeared the other Trident so I alighted 17489 and crossed the road to board a pretty much empty 17495 - the one I missed earlier.

1300 78 Borrowdale Hotel to Keswick Bus Station - 17495
As mentioned, this bus was pretty much empty. There were two people sat downstairs and no-one upstairs, so I sat right at the back on the nearside (open-top part again). Top tip, don't do this if you're intending on eating any sort of food. The amount of branches I had forced in my face wasn't rather nice; I was forced to duck every time a leaf appeared in the distance!
I must say, this is definitely the better vehicle of the two. The amount of thrash and noise this one gave was unreal; it was a lot nippier than the other one as well!

1326 555 Keswick Bus Station to Windermere Rail Station - 18326
I landed in Keswick Bus Station again (a place which I'm liking less and less now) and, after just missing my ex-beast 27767 on the X4 to Workington, I waited for either another X4/X5 or the 555 as my next jolly. Along came a fully adverted 18326 on the 555. I boarded this and sat on the very back seat on the lower deck on the offside. Soon enough we were out of Keswick. I absolutely loved this bus; definitely the highlight of the day - the amount of kickdowns it was giving (sometimes downhill too) was unreal! At one point I counted 7 kickdowns in 30 seconds. Weren't massive screamy and shouty ones but it was rather entertaining!

The plan was originally to go to Lancaster to then get the train back to Carlisle. However I realised I had to make the 2012 bus back (that was the last one before 2330) and would arrive in Lancaster at 1612 (this was the journey every hour that went along the back roads through Carnforth etc instead of fast via the M6) - just under 3 hours! I then thought about Lancaster, bus to Kendal then the 41/41A to Oxenholme however I then realised the last 41 from Kendal to Oxenholme left at 1715 (!!!!!!) so that was scrapped. The train meant a 40 min wait at Oxenholme too, sod that.

I therefore bailed at Windermere, having still needed the railway line from here to Oxenholme, and bought a ticket for the next departure from the station.


1441 1N32 Windermere to Oxenholme - 185102 (TPE)
185102 appeared to then form 1N32 to Preston. After a quick pic, I boarded the service. After a rather nice journey, I got into Oxenholme. I then bought a ticket for the next-but-one service to Carlisle and waited for it, taking a few pics in the meantime.

1528 1S66 Oxenholme to Carlisle - 350408 (TPE)
350408 arrived a minute or two late, then we were underway. I was sat in the pantograph coach and most seats were occupied; there was an American couple trying to take pictures of every single fell we passed but generally a civilised journey. Got to Carlisle then walked outside to get the next Solo SR on a city service.

1618 61 Carlisle, Courts to Morton Park to Carlisle, Crescent - 47961
47961 was the next vehicle of interest; on a service 61 to Morton Park. Having recently only been on the 61A service (serving a different area) it'd be good to have a ride on this. Quite a nice little trip really, we followed another Solo SR on the 62 for a few hundred metres before heading back into town.

I headed to the rail station afterwards and seen a few bits and bobs. I then realised I had 5 minutes until the Brampton 685's departure of 1737, so had a brisk walk over (usually takes 3 minutes or so). I got to the bus station to see it was in the stand - I ran over to the stand where I had missed it by 10 seconds and wouldn't be let on. It was 47474 too; my personal favourite Solo! Absolutely livid, I popped to Poundland in the Lanes shopping centre (being their last customer of the day) and bought some mints, Cadbury Crunch shortcake and Superbad DVD (starring Jonah Hill). I walked back over to the bus station, watching two National Express coaches and various other movements. 27141 arrived on an ex-Newcastle but then to my surprise was taken out of service! Two MANviros were left on the stands...

1807 685 Carlisle Bus Station to Brampton - 24122
...and 24122 was the chosen one! We got out of the bus station, and along Warwick Road we stopped and the driver turned the engine off. He said the electrics had messed up (the Stopping sign illuminated for no reason) but we were soon away again. Quite a good journey on this, in my opinion these should replace the horrible ADL E300s we currently have on the 685 - more from an enthusiast's point of view that they're nippy and make cracking noises.


Thanks for reading. Hopefully my next trip won't be as disastrous!