(07 Jul 2022, 6:01 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Like looking at the timetable, surely it would've made more sense for the X45/X71/X72 to interwork with the X30/X31 standalone?
Or all of them interwork, with little to no remote reliefs at Stanley, using all the E400s and none of the StreetDecks? Surely that would make more sense.
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(07 Jul 2022, 6:05 pm)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Weardale have the 725 according to Councillors Bev Coult & Arnie Simpson. Not too sure what this means for the existing 725 mind?
Correct and the existing 725 will be re-numbered.
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(07 Jul 2022, 6:13 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]Or all of them interwork, with little to no remote reliefs at Stanley, using all the E400s and none of the StreetDecks? Surely that would make more sense.
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So what's the pattern for that going to be if all of the Consett X-Lines services are going to interwork?
From what I can see from timetables....
- X45/X30/X31
- X71/X72 (with long layover at Consett)
With the 53/54 now only serving the Sage bus stop "in cases of high demand for special events" how will this work in practice? Will it just be a case of GNE advertising this on the website whenever they decide that the service needs to serve that stop?
(07 Jul 2022, 6:05 pm)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Weardale have the 725 according to Councillors Bev Coult & Arnie Simpson. Not too sure what this means for the existing 725 mind?
Looking at that timetable and the 25 on GNE website, spot on for a connection heading to Langley Park.....
(07 Jul 2022, 7:01 pm)citaro5284 wrote [ -> ]Looking at that timetable and the 25 on GNE website, spot on for a connection heading to Langley Park.....
Would be even more spot on if there was a bus going all the way through without having to change...
(07 Jul 2022, 6:13 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]Or all of them interwork, with little to no remote reliefs at Stanley, using all the E400s and none of the StreetDecks? Surely that would make more sense.
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The X71/X72 timetable seems odd, as if it's been kept as it was but just with the X70 journeys removed. You've got a 20:40 split and a 40 minute layover on the X71. Surely the X71 could be retimed to leave Newcastle 10 minutes later and Consett 10 minutes earlier, that way you've only got a 20 minute wait and an even headway?
I get PVR of 5 for the X71/2 and 8 for the X30/31/45 so that would use all but one of the X-lines E400's
(07 Jul 2022, 7:43 pm)peter wrote [ -> ]The X71/X72 timetable seems odd, as if it's been kept as it was but just with the X70 journeys removed. You've got a 20:40 split and a 40 minute layover on the X71. Surely the X71 could be retimed to leave Newcastle 10 minutes later and Consett 10 minutes earlier, that way you've only got a 20 minute wait and an even headway?
I get PVR of 5 for the X71/2 and 8 for the X30/31/45 so that would use all but one of the X-lines E400's
But that will still leave Consett with only 1x low height spare covering a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45) unless 6336-37 are brought to Consett?
Only plan I can see for the StreetDecks is 6x for the 47 with 2x to Washington for the X1. Or....maybe something like the 58 as people have mentioned as that would still leave 1x left over for the X1.
Or despite movements, maybe GNE don't repaint any XLines vehicles for a while (maybe removing any route specific text) and see how the changes bed in?
(07 Jul 2022, 7:57 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]But that will still leave Consett with only 1x low height spare covering a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45) unless 6336-37 are brought to Consett?
Only plan I can see for the StreetDecks is 6x for the 47 with 2x to Washington for the X1. Or....maybe something like the 58 as people have mentioned as that would still leave 1x left over for the X1.
Or despite movements, maybe GNE don't repaint any XLines vehicles for a while (maybe removing any route specific text) and see how the changes bed in?
I doubt that GNE can afford to repaint all the buses that need repainting, or have the time to repaint them all before the changes come in.
Green StreetDeck on the X21?
(07 Jul 2022, 7:57 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]But that will still leave Consett with only 1x low height spare covering a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45) unless 6336-37 are brought to Consett?
Only plan I can see for the StreetDecks is 6x for the 47 with 2x to Washington for the X1. Or....maybe something like the 58 as people have mentioned as that would still leave 1x left over for the X1.
Or despite movements, maybe GNE don't repaint any XLines vehicles for a while (maybe removing any route specific text) and see how the changes bed in?
Personally I have a feeling all the Streetdeck's will leave Consett for fleet standardisation, there's no need for them there and the 47 is a secondary route when there's routes like the 58 which are usually flagship for fleet investment running around with ex London stock.
The two 64 plates would be better at Consett imo. Riverside obviously don't see much in them as they're never allocated to the X10 instead having the B9's on instead so having new Streetdecks there to go on instead would be an improvement if needed. Not to mention they would be together with the 21 and X21 batch when (and if) they eventually move there which very often have Omnidekka's on.
(07 Jul 2022, 8:06 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Personally I have a feeling all the Streetdeck's will leave Consett for fleet standardisation, there's no need for them there and the 47 is a secondary route when there's routes like the 58 which are usually flagship for fleet investment running around with ex London stock.
The two 64 plates would be better at Consett imo. Riverside obviously don't see much in them as they're never allocated to the X10 instead having the B9's on instead so having new Streetdecks there to go on instead would be an improvement if needed. Not to mention they would be together with the 21 and X21 batch when (and if) they eventually move there which very often have Omnidekka's on.
The 58 is never busy tho, though it doesn't need practically brand new street decks, I think they're going on the X21 and have the current X21 branded in corporate and moved to Depots as Euro 6 spares
(07 Jul 2022, 8:24 pm)nova347 wrote [ -> ]The 58 is never busy tho, though it doesn't need practically brand new street decks, I think they're going on the X21 and have the current X21 branded in corporate and moved to Depots as Euro 6 spares
Aye could do the X21 tbf but it's been hinted that they're not going onto there by Dan.
Dunno it's a funny route the 58 as it used to be a very busy route to the stage that it needed the bendy buses and used to be always getting investment.
Brand new Merc's, brand new Versa's etc. It's been forgotten about lately really. The passengers are still there tbf so maybe they might try and grow it.
If not the Streetdecks then maybe the displaced B5's instead. Means the B9's on there can do the ferries and act as spares as they're not the best really.
(07 Jul 2022, 7:57 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]But that will still leave Consett with only 1x low height spare covering a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45) unless 6336-37 are brought to Consett?
Only plan I can see for the StreetDecks is 6x for the 47 with 2x to Washington for the X1. Or....maybe something like the 58 as people have mentioned as that would still leave 1x left over for the X1.
Or despite movements, maybe GNE don't repaint any XLines vehicles for a while (maybe removing any route specific text) and see how the changes bed in?
I'm surprised you've not mentioned the X21 for the Green Streetdecks given that there are 8 of them and the new X21 PVR is 8.
You could have:
6149-54 - 57 (+ 1 spare bus)
6308-14 - 58
6315-27 - 21 (I get a current PVR of 13)
6328-31 - 21/X21 spare
6332-33 - X1 spare
6334-35 - Riverside Spare
6336-37 - Consett Spare
6338-51 - X30/31/45/71/72
6352-55 - X10
6356-63 - X21
6364-77 - X1
(07 Jul 2022, 8:45 pm)peter wrote [ -> ]I'm surprised you've not mentioned the X21 for the Green Streetdecks given that there are 8 of them and the new X21 PVR is 8.
You could have:
6149-54 - 57 (+ 1 spare bus)
6308-14 - 58
6315-27 - 21 (I get a current PVR of 13)
6328-31 - 21/X21 spare
6332-33 - X1 spare
6334-35 - Riverside Spare
6336-37 - Consett Spare
6338-51 - X30/31/45/71/72
6352-55 - X10
6356-63 - X21
6364-77 - X1
Does the 57 need deckers? I have a feeling they'll get either the Versa's from the Q3 or new electric buses (it's one of two pretty much).
The B9's would be good as spares for Consett for the 47 and others if needed since they can get under the bridge and maybe to run the peak X21/X58 and 327 which all need something. They can't be using Omnidekkas and the ex Lothian B9's like they do now.
(07 Jul 2022, 9:41 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Does the 57 need deckers? I have a feeling they'll get either the Versa's from the Q3 or new electric buses (it's one of two pretty much).
The B9's would be good as spares for Consett for the 47 and others if needed since they can get under the bridge and maybe to run the peak X21/X58 and 327 which all need something. They can't be using Omnidekkas and the ex Lothian B9's like they do now.
Only the E400MMC's can get under Dunston Bridge. B9TLs were never used on the X30 even in the ToonLink days.
Some full height deckers can, but it's very tight and involves going in the middle of the road.
(07 Jul 2022, 9:52 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Only the E400MMC's can get under Dunston Bridge. B9TLs were never used on the X30 even in the ToonLink days.
Some full height deckers can, but it's very tight and involves going in the middle of the road.
Only some or all?
Where presidents/lloynes able to get through the bridge?
I hold Weardale in high regard - I think they are a very good operator.
However, with the 725 it seems a bit poor from a passenger perspective for them to be operating it - yes ticket acceptance is being worked on, but I doubt you will be able to buy a Go North East ticket on a Weardale service - which is where I guess most passengers would start their journeys. So it's going to end up costing passengers a lot more unless they have a mobile ticket.
Of course, it could have been Rural Link or Scarlet Band - so a good outcome overall.
I wonder why GNE seem to be incapable of saying who will be operating the replacement services.
Surely that's very important information for passengers!
(07 Jul 2022, 11:45 pm)streetdeckfan wrote [ -> ]I wonder why GNE seem to be incapable of saying who will be operating the replacement services.
Surely that's very important information for passengers!
It was the same when the services in North Tyneside/Newcastle were changed - they just referred passengers to Nexus.