Changes have been registered
Services variations are: 1, 3 (Darlo), 4, 5 (Darlington & Stockton), 6, 7 (Darlington & Stockton), 8/8A, 9/10, 13A/13B, 17/17A, 19, 22, 23, 24, 28/28A, 29, 43, 48, 49, 56, 62, 63, 64 (Durham), 81, ED3, P1/P2, X3, X22, X26/X27, X46, X66, X75/X76
Services cancelled (that I can see): 6 (Cockfield - Barnard Castle section), 12, 86, X1 (looks to be no replacement for Tow Law to Stanhope extension), X21
I'm sure someone is able to provide greater insight on these
(27 May 2023, 8:10 am)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Changes have been registered
Services variations are: 1, 3 (Darlo), 4, 5 (Darlington & Stockton), 6, 7 (Darlington & Stockton), 8/8A, 9/10, 13A/13B, 17/17A, 19, 22, 23, 24, 28/28A, 29, 43, 48, 49, 56, 62, 63, 64 (Durham), 81, ED3, P1/P2, X3, X22, X26/X27, X46, X66, X75/X76
Services cancelled (that I can see): 6 (Cockfield - Barnard Castle section), 12, 86, X1 (looks to be no replacement for Tow Law to Stanhope extension), X21
I'm sure someone is able to provide greater insight on these
Is there a link to see the changes
(27 May 2023, 11:06 am)Ryland wrote [ -> ]Is there a link to see the changes
Have to look on VOSA but it only shows that's there a change coming up - no extra info yet
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...1684695672
Search
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
tick North East
then search - after click status and then change it to "Variation"
Not saying his name,but my mate works for Stagecoach, and he is under the impression that Stagecoach have won the 51-55
(29 May 2023, 4:39 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Not saying his name,but my mate works for Stagecoach, and he is under the impression that Stagecoach have won the 51-55
Your mate is mistaken!
They haven’t even been tendered yet (and indeed may not be), let alone a winner known.
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Exactly what Dan said. Maybe you should name your source, as clearly isn't a good one.
My sources instead advise that Nexus have asked other operators if they are interested in taking any of it commercially. Only once that exercise has concluded, will Nexus understand what they may need to offer a tender for.
Lastly, Nexus will not award anything until Arriva actually submit the cancellations to the traffic commissioner, which isn't until mid-July. Until then, they aren't cancelled!
Registrations for the changes are now showing on VOSA, some give major hints about their changes
PB0002717/289 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Stanhope
Service number: X46
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/354 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Lingdale/New Marske
Service number: X3 (X2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/307 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Redcar
Service number: 63
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/15 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Esh Winning
Service number: 43
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/273 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to West Park
Service number: 19
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/321 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesborough to Ingleby Barwick/Stockton
Service number: 17 (17A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/573 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park and Ride to Whitby Park and Ride
Service number: P1 (P2)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 22 Jul 2023
PB0002717/335 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Peterlee
Service number: X22
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/315 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough/Stokesley
Service number: 28 (28A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/428 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: EDC Peterlee Campus to EDC Houghall Campus
Service number: ED3
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/54 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Barnard Castle
Service number: X75 (X76)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/200 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Darlington
Service number: X66 (X67)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/14 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Colburn
Service number: X26 (X26, X27)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/306 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Markse to Guisborough
Service number: 81
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/21 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Arnison Centre to Sherburn Village
Service number: 64
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/423 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Marske
Service number: 62
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/30 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Bishop Auckland
Service number: 56 (56A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/75 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Brandon
Service number: 49
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/16 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to New Brancepeth
Service number: 48 (48)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/316 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Nunthorpe
Service number: 29
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/383 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Hartlepool
Service number: 24
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/220 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Hartlepool to Sunderland
Service number: 23
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/382 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Sunderland
Service number: 22 (22B)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/209 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Firth Moor
Service number: 13A (13B)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/206 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Springfield/Whinfield
Service number: 9 (10)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/205 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Ferryhill
Service number: 8 (8A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/317 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Stockton to Kirklevington
Service number: 7
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/290 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Durham
Service number: 7
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/258 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Cockfield
Service number: 6
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/296 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Easington/Lingdale
Service number: 5 (5A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/211 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Bishop Auckland
Service number: 5
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/203 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Minors Crescent
Service number: 4
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/397 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Skerne Park to Mowden
Service number: 3
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/292 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Tow Law
Service number: 1
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
So no doubt there'll be a few less buses, and more shaved off the PVR's around the area in July.
It's quite depressing that this is seen as something of a good thing by the industry, and they never want to try enhancing services or attempt something new.
They've got the long term support now for the £2 (then £2.50 ) fares, and I'm guessing they will have to apply to newly registered services at some point? Yes, there's driver shortages in places but why not at the very least do some decent marketing and cover some buses advertising the low fares; if not actively try to expand their network rather than lessen it every time there's timetable changes.
(30 May 2023, 8:36 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Registrations for the changes are now showing on VOSA, some give major hints about their changes
PB0002717/289 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Stanhope
Service number: X46
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/354 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Lingdale/New Marske
Service number: X3 (X2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/307 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Redcar
Service number: 63
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/15 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Esh Winning
Service number: 43
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/273 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to West Park
Service number: 19
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/321 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesborough to Ingleby Barwick/Stockton
Service number: 17 (17A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/573 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park and Ride to Whitby Park and Ride
Service number: P1 (P2)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 22 Jul 2023
PB0002717/335 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Peterlee
Service number: X22
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/315 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough/Stokesley
Service number: 28 (28A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/428 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: EDC Peterlee Campus to EDC Houghall Campus
Service number: ED3
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/54 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Barnard Castle
Service number: X75 (X76)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/200 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Darlington
Service number: X66 (X67)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/14 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Colburn
Service number: X26 (X26, X27)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/306 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Markse to Guisborough
Service number: 81
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/21 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Arnison Centre to Sherburn Village
Service number: 64
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/423 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Marske
Service number: 62
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/30 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Bishop Auckland
Service number: 56 (56A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/75 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Brandon
Service number: 49
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/16 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to New Brancepeth
Service number: 48 (48)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/316 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Nunthorpe
Service number: 29
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/383 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Hartlepool
Service number: 24
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/220 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Hartlepool to Sunderland
Service number: 23
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/382 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Sunderland
Service number: 22 (22B)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/209 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Firth Moor
Service number: 13A (13B)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/206 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Springfield/Whinfield
Service number: 9 (10)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/205 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Ferryhill
Service number: 8 (8A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/317 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Stockton to Kirklevington
Service number: 7
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/290 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Durham
Service number: 7
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/258 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Cockfield
Service number: 6
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/296 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Easington/Lingdale
Service number: 5 (5A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/211 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Bishop Auckland
Service number: 5
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/203 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Minors Crescent
Service number: 4
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/397 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Skerne Park to Mowden
Service number: 3
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
PB0002717/292 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Darlington to Tow Law
Service number: 1
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Jul 2023
Is the x3a being replaced by an x2.
Seeing what is here is it coming to new marske
(30 May 2023, 9:47 am)Ryland wrote [ -> ]Is the x3a being replaced by an x2.
Seeing what is here is it coming to new marske
The X3a is going that's for certain - although this X2 has come out of the blue as all talk from my sources within the company suggested it would be a half hourly X3 to Saltburn extending hourly to Lingdale.
The other major East Cleveland change sees the 5a extended to Lingdale hourly in place of the 28 which will terminate in Guisborough. The 5 will also cease serving Skinningrove.
My guess would be the X2 is some form of replacement for the 62 but then the reg for the 62 still shows Middlesbrough to Marske so who knows…
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(30 May 2023, 10:03 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]The X3a is going that's for certain - although this X2 has come out of the blue as all talk from my sources within the company suggested it would be a half hourly X3 to Saltburn extending hourly to Lingdale.
The other major East Cleveland change sees the 5a extended to Lingdale hourly in place of the 28 which will terminate in Guisborough. The 5 will also cease serving Skinningrove.
Anything going to skelton asda
Another that's sticking out to me is the return of an X67 although question is, will it be the X67 as it was before (via Hartburn) or a new one?
I do wonder if it could be heading via Middleton-St-George in place of the 12 which is registered for withdrawal? No idea about Hurworth.
(30 May 2023, 11:11 am)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Another that's sticking out to me is the return of an X67 although question is, will it be the X67 as it was before (via Hartburn) or a new one?
I do wonder if it could be heading via Middleton-St-George in place of the 12 which is registered for withdrawal? No idea about Hurworth.
X67 is returning in its original guise - with the daytime X66s reverting to their original route direct via the A66 omitting Hartburn and Oxbridge. The X66 has grown significantly since the reduction to every 20 minutes last May hence the return of the X67 to give a combined 15 minute frequency from the lowest possible Vehicle requirement (running the X66 as now every 15 minutes would require 8 vehicles rather than the 7 the X66/X67 requires). That might not be the end either - the company is open to further frequency increases should the growth continue after the July changes.
Arriva 306 timetable for the 10th June shows the service running every 10 minutes for the Sam Fender at St James Park with it running between Newcastle & North Shields only starting at 23.05 and running every 10 minute till 00.40 out of Newcastle
(30 May 2023, 9:19 am)tvd wrote [ -> ]So no doubt there'll be a few less buses, and more shaved off the PVR's around the area in July.
It's quite depressing that this is seen as something of a good thing by the industry, and they never want to try enhancing services or attempt something new.
They've got the long term support now for the £2 (then £2.50 ) fares, and I'm guessing they will have to apply to newly registered services at some point? Yes, there's driver shortages in places but why not at the very least do some decent marketing and cover some buses advertising the low fares; if not actively try to expand their network rather than lessen it every time there's timetable changes.
The "support" for the £2 / £2.50 fare merely gives the operator the difference between the £2 being charged and what the fare would have been. It's not really support but re-imbursement of revenue foregone.
The bigger worry is the replacement of Bus Recovery Grant by BSOG+ - early indications from various operators suggest that they will receive only about 40% - 50% of what they do now.
And on top of that various local authorities are reducing the amount that they pay bus operators for carrying pass holders (ENCTS).
Arriva driver was telling passengers on the 553 today that the service is being scrapped from Battle Hill to Freeman Hospital from September.
(30 May 2023, 6:21 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]Arriva driver was telling passengers on the 553 today that the service is being scrapped from Battle Hill to Freeman Hospital from September.
Probs the same to do with the 51-55 thing. Doubt they would move the 553 to either Ashington or Blyth
(30 May 2023, 6:22 pm)Busu284 wrote [ -> ]Probs the same to do with the 51-55 thing. Doubt they would move the 553 to either Ashington or Blyth
Yeah, although the service between Freeman and Regent Centre will continue operating as it is a long term NHS contract.
(30 May 2023, 6:25 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]Yeah, although the service between Freeman and Regent Centre will continue operating as it is a long term NHS contract.
Wonder if Stagecoach will take it. Doubt gct would take it as it would need to run (hahaha)
Rumour mill has started that there going to be one bus per hour between new marske and Middlesbrough
(31 May 2023, 6:46 pm)Ryland wrote [ -> ]Rumour mill has started that there going to be one bus per hour between new marske and Middlesbrough
Part of me suspects the following may happen:
-81 reduced to Redcar to Guisborough only using 1 bus.
-62 omits New Marske instead serving Marske Estate and Green Lane, (yet still serving Ings Farm?)
-X3A withdrawn replaced by new X2 operating to New Marske
(31 May 2023, 6:46 pm)Ryland wrote [ -> ]Rumour mill has started that there going to be one bus per hour between new marske and Middlesbrough
Yes - lucky to retain their service unlike Ings Farm…
Other places cut from the network include Cypress Road & Nunthorpe village
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(31 May 2023, 7:02 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]Yes - lucky to retain their service unlike Ings Farm…
Other places cut from the network include Cypress Road & Nunthorpe village
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Won't the 28/28A/29 or whatever that's left of them still serve them? Haven't heard much about them though.
(31 May 2023, 7:06 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Won't the 28/28A/29 or whatever that's left of them still serve them? Haven't heard much about them though.
They’re losing a bus so Cypress Road & Nunthorpe Village both cut off those routes. 29 will terminate at Easterside but serve The Derby turning circle (same as the 10).
(This will be the next one to go I am sure as it will just be a frequency decrease at that point)
The 28 is also terminating at Guisborough, with the one remaining 5a going to Lingdale instead.
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(31 May 2023, 7:12 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]They’re losing a bus so Cypress Road & Nunthorpe Village both cut off those routes. 29 will terminate at Easterside but serve The Derby turning circle (same as the 10).
(This will be the next one to go I am sure as it will just be a frequency decrease at that point)
The 28 is also terminating at Guisborough, with the one remaining 5a going to Lingdale instead.
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Ah thanks for that, makes sense then. Sounds like they're setting them up for fail. The 28A is a bus route that has been getting cut to pieces for years, surprised it's survived these in a way.
What's the view of Stagecoach on the reduced ENCTS in Tees Valley? I know Arriva will probably lean more towards the 'older demographic' plus rural areas, so are more exposed. But i'd have thought Cleveland Transit would be feeling the pinch as well?
For Redcar...
The 62 will be run from Middlesbrough and terminate at Redcar Town Centre. Evening journeys will be curtailed at 1800 and there will be complete withdrawal of the Sunday service.
X3A withdrawn completely. Partially replaced by X2 which follows the route of the X3A from Middlesbrough to Marske then extends to New Marske.
Sunday service 3 will be withdrawn.
X3 will serve Redcar East and Borough Road to replace the 62. Ings Farm estate (Warwick and Castle road) will have no service at all.
(31 May 2023, 8:00 pm)DeltaMan wrote [ -> ]What's the view of Stagecoach on the reduced ENCTS in Tees Valley? I know Arriva will probably lean more towards the 'older demographic' plus rural areas, so are more exposed. But i'd have thought Cleveland Transit would be feeling the pinch as well?
Apparently they are also about to put service reductions in, registrations expected within the next few weeks.
(01 Jun 2023, 5:40 am)RobinHood wrote [ -> ]Apparently they are also about to put service reductions in, registrations expected within the next few weeks.
Their network is a hell of a lot worse off than Arriva’s is, thanks to their chronic staff shortages. Loads are absolutely terrible which is very worrying!
Arriva’s network is far stronger by comparison which is probably why there have only been minor cuts in Teesside at least
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