North East Buses

Teesside and East Cleveland Changes from 17th February 2019
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/u...cleveland/

Darlington and County Durham changes from 17th February 2019
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/u...ty-durham/

(21 Jan 2019, 1:50 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Quick question,after the works are finished on Whitley Road,will the 51/51A and 53 return to serving Benton Asda or is it scrapped for good

51/51A still serve Asda now. With the plans being sent through my door, the 53 will not return to Asda. The 42/A looks unlikley to keep going for much longer tbh

(23 Jan 2019, 1:47 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Teesside and East Cleveland Changes from 17th February 2019
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/u...cleveland/

Darlington and County Durham changes from 17th February 2019
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/u...ty-durham/

Looks as though the 1/5/5a and perhaps the X1 will all interwork, the 3/3a/19 will interwork and the 12 will be standalone. From some quick calculations I reckon there'll be at least 3 Streetlites now spare at Darlington. An additional solo will be required for the 3/3a/19 and presumably also the 12.

(23 Jan 2019, 4:00 pm)JM03 wrote [ -> ]51/51A still serve Asda now. With the plans being sent through my door, the 53 will not return to Asda. The 42/A looks unlikley to keep going for much longer tbh

Thats absolutely ridiculous

(23 Jan 2019, 10:16 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Thats absolutely ridiculous

Tbh its not really. The 53 on the peak hours is absolutely shocken and could spend up to 20 mins or more to get to Asda and back round, the worst use had to wait in Holystone is 2 hours and 35 minutes yet still had to add a extra 45 mins in catastrophic traffic to grt to Asda and back. For punctuality overall and for others living in my area, I think it is a very good move by arriva. This has been enforced anyways because the roundabout at Asda is getting taken out and will be a junction along withe the roundabout by the Wheatsheaf pub which unless sent around Benton Industrial estate or Holystone Park means 42/A will eventually have to cut off from Asda so it might be a good idea to start Asda free buses for Benton asda when that comes into play like the Byker and Metrocentre asdas. These plans have lots of positives and negatives but what effects it'll bring we will have to see.

(23 Jan 2019, 11:04 pm)JM03 wrote [ -> ]Tbh its not really. The 53 on the peak hours is absolutely shocken and could spend up to 20 mins or more to get to Asda and back round, the worst use had to wait in Holystone is 2 hours and 35 minutes yet still had to add a extra 45 mins in catastrophic traffic to grt to Asda and back. For punctuality overall and for others living in my area, I think it is a very good move by arriva. This has been enforced anyways because the roundabout at Asda is getting taken out and will be a junction along withe the roundabout by the Wheatsheaf pub which unless sent around Benton Industrial estate or Holystone Park means 42/A will eventually have to cut off from Asda so it might be a good idea to start Asda free buses for Benton asda when that comes into play like the Byker and Metrocentre asdas. These plans have lots of positives and negatives but what effects it'll bring we will have to see.

Forest Hall/Killingworth missing out again an no,the 42/42A will turn around at the Wheatsheaf roundabout

(23 Jan 2019, 4:22 pm)peter wrote [ -> ]Looks as though the 1/5/5a and perhaps the X1 will all interwork, the 3/3a/19 will interwork and the 12 will be standalone. From some quick calculations I reckon there'll be at least 3 Streetlites now spare at Darlington. An additional solo will be required for the 3/3a/19 and presumably also the 12.

That could be easily sorted though send the 3 spare Streetlite to service 8/8A with the three remaining pulsars at Darlington to Stockton to withdraw the remaining cadets or to other depots to withdraw older stock

Unless Darlington are going to start getting solos refurbed into new colours with the branding on the majority of Darlington solos now defunct because of the service changes

(24 Jan 2019, 1:20 pm)Stuartphin1639 wrote [ -> ]That could be easily sorted though send the 3 spare Streetlite to service 8/8A with the three remaining pulsars at Darlington to Stockton to withdraw the remaining cadets or to other depots to withdraw older stock

Unless Darlington are going to start getting solos refurbed into new colours with the branding on the majority of Darlington solos now defunct because of the service changes

Was pretty much my thinking with regards to putting lites on the 8/8A.

They'll likely just slightly alter the current 3/3A/3B branding as services interworking doesn't seem to have stopped them from route branding buses before e.g. 48/X46 and that's providing they actually do anything about branding, wouldn't be surprised if we see a repeat of the 21/X21 branded Eco's. Frequenta route brandings could really do with being abolished in Darlington considering most now interwork with other services and Frequenta 2s now being allocated to X21 daily.

With the X21 set to interwork with the ED4 I think there will be a lot of dead mileage from Faverdale to North Hylton.

(24 Jan 2019, 3:07 pm)S830OFT wrote [ -> ]With the X21 set to interwork with the ED4 I think there will be a lot of dead mileage from Faverdale to North Hylton.

It’s it actually going to interwork with it though? If so I wouldn’t be surprised if Durham done the morning one and Darlington done the night one? Just a thought though, it would be closer for Durham to do the early one

(24 Jan 2019, 11:00 pm)Stuartphin1639 wrote [ -> ]It’s it actually going to interwork with it though? If so I wouldn’t be surprised if Durham done the morning one and Darlington done the night one? Just a thought though, it would be closer for Durham to do the early one

Whilst it sounds far, it actually takes a similar amount of mileage and time to get back to Faverdale from North Hylton than it takes to run dead to/from Peterlee Bus Station. The changes to the weekday timetable mean only one bus will now run dead to Peterlee on a morning (currently two run dead) and there won't be a bus running dead back from Peterlee on a night anymore, so if my calculations are correct the combined mileage should actually be slightly less than it is now.

According to Google Maps here are some estimated comparisons for mileage and time (obviously times will be longer as bus can't do 70mph but you get the idea):

North Hylton to Belmont: 11 miles, 17 minutes
North Hylton to Faverdale: 29 miles, 33 minutes
Peterlee Bus Station to Faverdale: 27 miles, 34 minutes

(18 Jan 2019, 7:43 pm)RobinHood wrote [ -> ]It looks like an error, as there appears to be an 0611 and 0616 from Easington? Yet they arrive into Middlesbrough 30 minutes apart.

That has now been amended - the 0611 is now a 0558, one of the very interesting trip on the 5 under the new timetable as its one that won’t be a Sapphire vehicle.

(30 Jan 2019, 7:19 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]That has now been amended - the 0611 is now a 0558, one of the very interesting trip on the 5 under the new timetable as its one that won’t be a Sapphire vehicle.

How's that interesting? Seemingly a fair few aren't Sapphires these days anyway!!

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(30 Jan 2019, 7:42 am)Dan wrote [ -> ]How's that interesting? Seemingly a fair few aren't Sapphires these days anyway!!

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Only until the issues have been sorted. The first 3 of Stockton’s 5s from Easington on a weekday morning are booked for non-Sapphire stock from the 18th - as are a few of the peak and early evening journeys.

The more interesting allocation amendment is Stockton’s last X66 being booked for Streetlite allocation.....

Issues sorted? I won't hold my breath.

PB0002717/475 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park & Ride to Whitby Park & Ride
Service number: P1 (P2, P1)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 07 Apr 2019

You missed this one

PB0002032/585 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: North Shields Ferry to South Shields Ferry
Service number: 585 (585)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

It would appear the decision to re-route services 56/57/57A/X12 via Hallgarth Street on journeys departing from Durham has been reversed, all mentions of the diverting via Hallgarth Street have been removed with the Arriva journey planner (currently no new timetables online for 56/57/57A on their website) and BusTimes website indicating these services as now operating the current route out of Durham via Church Street.

Looking on Google Maps, it appears these services were actually going to have a stop on Hallgarth Street.

Seems the 5 not going to Hollybush evenings and Sundays after all.

Is there any actual change to the X12 this weekend then? There's nothing on their website though the window bills mention it.

(12 Feb 2019, 6:35 pm)Cock Robin wrote [ -> ]Seems the 5 not going to Hollybush evenings and Sundays after all.

You couldn't get that into the evening timetable for sure. Must be pretty tight now they run via Cranmore... I timed the evening runs when we started Sapphire which gave the hourly timetable with a 2 hour round trip rather than the 2h15 round trip it used to have. You kept going but there wasn't much spare time.

PB0002032/523 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Seahouses
Service number: X18 (X18)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 14 Apr 2019

PB0002032/500 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Seahouses to Alnwick
Service number: X18 (X18)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 14 Apr 2019

PB0002032/499 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Alnwick to Morpeth
Service number: X18 (X18)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 14 Apr 2019

An interesting discovery that has been completely obmitted from the changes - as of next Saturday, Stockton’s 7 will operate every 12 minutes on Saturdays (using the same departure times as the Friday timetable) reducing Stockton’s Saturday requirements by 1 vehicle

Haven't a clue where you found that out at? Arriva, CTV, Traveline and bustimes.org all suggest the usual 10 minute Saturday frequency between 0900 and 1500!

(17 Feb 2019, 2:21 pm)tcts24 wrote [ -> ]Haven't a clue where you found that out at? Arriva, CTV, Traveline and bustimes.org all suggest the usual 10 minute Saturday frequency between 0900 and 1500!

Been informed from driver mates who have seen the internal documents - there's only 5 7 boards listed in the new Saturday duties and RTC pack, with the new boards listing times on a 12 minute frequency rather than a 10. The times listed are the same as those used on the 12 minute Friday afternoon timetable.

These are the same sources as the previous mentions of the non-Sapphire worked turns on 5s on early weekday mornings.

Fair enough. I had a look out of curiosity over the exact times and couldn't find them.

For anyone who is vaguely interested, these are the new booked 'odd' workings for Stockton depot from tomorrow morning

Sapphire 5/5a/X5
0558 5 Easington to Middlesbrough (no Villages or Hollybush) - Standard-specification Pulsar (works onto 0725 28a)
0616 5 Easington to Middlesbrough (via Liverton Mines and Hollybush) - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (8 board - works 0759 from Netherfields)
0643 5 Easington to Middlesbrough (via Skinningrove and Hollybush) - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (works onto 0820 8 to Netherfields)
0702 X5 Easington to Middlesbrough (via Hollybush) - Standard-specification Pulsar (works onto 0810 9 to Overfields)

1647 X5 Middlesbrough to Easington (via Hollybush)- 'Frequenta' Pulsar (8 board - works the 1544 8 to Netherfields, returning light)
1732 5a Middlesbrough to Guisborough Market Place - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (8 board - works off the 1649 from Netherfields)
1822 5 Middlesbrough to Easington (no Villages or Hollybush) - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (8 board - works off the 1749 from Netherfields)
1915 5 Middlesbrough to Easington (no Villages or Hollybush) - Standard-specification Pulsar (29 board - works off the 1835 from Cypress Road) - returns as the 2018 from Easington to Middlesbrough

'Freqeunta' 8
0713 8 Netherfields to Middlesbrough - 'Sapphire' Streetlite (works onto 0752 5 to Easington)
0739 8 Netherfields to Middlesbrough - 'Sapphire' Streetlite (works onto 0827 5 to Easington)

X17
0655 Kingsmead to Middlesbrough - Standard-specification Pulsar (works onto 0755 28)
0710 Kingsmead to Middlesbrough - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (15 board - works onto the 0824 from Cunningham Drive)
0725 Kingsmead to Middlesbrough - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (15 board - works onto the 0847 from Bassleton Court)

1703 Middlesbrough to Kingsmead - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (8 board - works off the 1609 from Netherfields)
1718 Middlesbrough to Kingsmead - SB120/Cadet or Centro (7 board - works the 1629 from Willey Flatts to Stockton then dead to Middlesbrough)
1733 Middlesbrough to Kingsmead - 'Sapphire' Streetlite (works off the 1602 5 from Easington)

28
0614 Guisborough to Middlesbrough - 'NSA-fitted' Pulsar (works onto 0710 17 to Kingsmead)

29
0645 Cypress Road to Middlesbrough - 'Sapphire' Streetlite (5 board - also works the 0739 8)

1945 Middlesbrough to Nunthorpe Swans Corner - 'Sapphire' Streetlite (works off the 1815 5 from Easington)

X22
0641 North Tees Hospital to Middlesbrough - 'MAX' Pulsar (works onto 0712 X66)
0710 Peterlee to Middlesbrough - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (works onto the 0852 8)

'MAX' X66
1925 Middlesbrough to Darlington - 'Sapphire' Streetlite (works off the 1740 5 from Easington)
2025 Darlington to Middlesbrough - 'Sapphire' Streetlite

Saturdays

Only effected ones on Saturdays are:
Sapphire 5/5a
1822 5 Middlesbrough to Easington (no Villages or Hollybush) - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (8 board - works off the 1749 from Netherfields)
1915 5 Middlesbrough to Easington (no Villages or Hollybush) - Standard-specification Pulsar (29 board - works off the 1835 from Cypress Road) - returns as the 2018 from Easington to Middlesbrough

29
1945 Middlesbrough to Nunthorpe Swans Corner - 'Sapphire' Streetlite (works off the 1815 5 from Easington)

X22
0620 Peterlee to Middlesbrough - 'Frequenta' Pulsar (works the 0759 8 from Netherfields)

'MAX' X66
1925 Middlesbrough to Darlington - 'Sapphire' Streetlite (works off the 1740 5 from Easington)
2025 Darlington to Middlesbrough - 'Sapphire' Streetlite

(17 Feb 2019, 2:46 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Been informed from driver mates who have seen the internal documents - there's only 5 7 boards listed in the new Saturday duties and RTC pack, with the new boards listing times on a 12 minute frequency rather than a 10. The times listed are the same as those used on the 12 minute Friday afternoon timetable.

These are the same sources as the previous mentions of the non-Sapphire worked turns on 5s on early weekday mornings.

I've checked this with someone a bit more directly involved and I'm told that Service 7 was planned to be revised to a 12 min Saturday, but was knocked back last minute.

The 10 minute frequency has been retained and the depot have had updated boards and duties sent to them, reinstating that.

PB0002032/533 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Brampton to Carlisle
Service number: 685 (685)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

PB0002032/194 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Ashington
Service number: X22 (X22)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

PB0002032/159 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Newbiggin
Service number: X21 (X21)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

PB0002032/424 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Ashington to Alnwick
Service number: X20 (X20)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

PB0002032/309 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Ashington
Service number: X20 (X20)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

PB0002032/266 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Ashington to North Shields
Service number: 57 (57A, 57)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

PB0002032/459 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newbiggin to Newcastle
Service number: 52 (52)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

PB0002032/168 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Morpeth to Newbiggin
Service number: 35 (35)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019

PB0002032/345 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Blyth to Widdrington Estate
Service number: 1 (1)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Feb 2019