(17 Dec 2023, 9:06 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]There have been more Sunday/BH boards introduced for this very reason.
Ultimately the X21 and X22 aren't swapping to the routes they did over a decade ago, and probably never will.
Whereabouts have Arriva added the extra boards? Bar a few minutes added to the X22 unless remote reliefs are actively happening in Morpeth on Sundays? There's a few today I've noticed on bustimes.
(17 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Whereabouts have Arriva added the extra boards? Bar a few minutes added to the X22 unless remote reliefs are actively happening in Morpeth on Sundays? There's a few today I've noticed on bustimes.
There are multiple additional boards, such as the one starting as the 1114 35.
(17 Dec 2023, 10:46 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]There are multiple additional boards, such as the one starting as the 1114 35.
That's not an additional board though, that's just extra PVR being thrown in. A bit like what GNE used to do at Hexham & Bishop Auckland when the 10 & X21 had long layovers with a new bus sent out.
A PVR of 7x with the X22 > X21 > 35 > 35 > X21 > X22 interworking pattern would allow Sunday journeys to use the same running times as per Monday to Saturdays, improving reliability.
(18 Dec 2023, 10:15 am)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]That's not an additional board though, that's just extra PVR being thrown in. A bit like what GNE used to do at Hexham & Bishop Auckland when the 10 & X21 had long layovers with a new bus sent out.
No it literally, physically, is an additional board.
(18 Dec 2023, 10:36 am)mb134 wrote [ -> ]No it literally, physically, is an additional board.
As in a duplicate or a new bus & driver sent out from Morpeth?
I suppose it would be do-able keeping Bedlington to Newcastle as it is now on both routes, although wouldn't leave much scope for decent layovers at Newcastle or Morpeth with 65 / 63 minute running times between Newcastle & Ashington plus the rest of added time thrown in.
The main advantage running the X21 via Hartford Road however is that it could potentially win over / retain customers who aren't going around Central Station and don't want the hassle of changing onto the Metro or walking. On the flipside however, Red House Farm and Nedderton could keep the X21 viable on a 30 minute frequency (X22 won't be as affected) should most passengers around the Bedlington Station area deflect to the train. Completely unknown territory at the moment although Arriva did make the move swapping around the X8 & X9 between Blyth and Cramlington for that exact reason to try and retain customers.
(18 Dec 2023, 2:09 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]As in a duplicate or a new bus & driver sent out from Morpeth?
As in it's the start of a board, thus will always be a new bus and driver.
I wonder if the 57/57A route change would be extended the 57/57A to North Shields full time Monday to Saturday
Still confused why it goes there on an evening & Sundays. Would give people from Whitley to North Shields via Rake Lane of which a bus from. Yea the 317 goes there but do wonder if the 57/57A will go there
(19 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]I wonder if the 57/57A route change would be extended the 57/57A to North Shields full time Monday to Saturday
Still confused why it goes there on an evening & Sundays. Would give people from Whitley to North Shields via Rake Lane of which a bus from. Yea the 317 goes there but do wonder if the 57/57A will go there
Think that would require yet another PVR increase on the service?
Given there seems to be lots of focus on improving evening services, I wonder if providing Ashington with an evening link to Cramlington would be on the cards - which of course is PVR neutral?
(19 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]I wonder if the 57/57A route change would be extended the 57/57A to North Shields full time Monday to Saturday
Still confused why it goes there on an evening & Sundays. Would give people from Whitley to North Shields via Rake Lane of which a bus from. Yea the 317 goes there but do wonder if the 57/57A will go there
I highly doubt it will be but I wish they'd change the Whitley end so it runs like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.04253...?entry=ttu
Instead of pissing about going around the back of the Firestation and getting stuck at numerous traffic lights for absolutely no benefit. Would open links to the beach and Spanish City area aswell, plus save time. So it's win/win. The bus stop the 57/57A stops at near Sainsbury's is unused so it laying over there wouldn't be an issue if needed.
(19 Dec 2023, 9:27 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Think that would require yet another PVR increase on the service?
Given there seems to be lots of focus on improving evening services, I wonder if providing Ashington with an evening link to Cramlington would be on the cards - which of course is PVR neutral?
Not sure how they'd do it but if it's evening services I wouldn't be surprised if it's East Cramlington instead, the area has no bus service at all beyond 6pm or on a Sunday, it's not really a small area since the new housing development and the hospital aswell which is completely unserved without a quite long walk including under the pretty grim Spine Road underpass.
With all these new train connections popping up, I wouldn't be surprised if that's part - how it's done, I'm not sure tbh but I wouldn't be surprised the Hospital <> Seaton Delaval station is one of the big selling points of the Northumberland Line which is every 30 minutes during the day (19/57).
(19 Dec 2023, 9:27 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Think that would require yet another PVR increase on the service?
Given there seems to be lots of focus on improving evening services, I wonder if providing Ashington with an evening link to Cramlington would be on the cards - which of course is PVR neutral?
Or maybe both.....Billy Mill Lane / New York to North Shields has always carried a fair amount dating back to the days of the 356 & 442 especially with the Twirlies. Plus good opportunity to capitalise on GNE's short notice cancellations.
Isn't the 57/57A become void of solos from this change. Heard it earlier when the 57A went to Ashington full time that the 57/57A wasn't gonna be solos anymore
(19 Dec 2023, 10:54 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]Isn't the 57/57A become void of solos from this change. Heard it earlier when the 57A went to Ashington full time that the 57/57A wasn't gonna be solos anymore
Not yet, believe it was mentioned on here that this change is planned in the New Year.
They received no extra Solo when the 57A was extended to Ashington, so if any are VOR (which is common...) then a full size vehicle is allocated.
To be honest, I saw a couple of Pulsars on there on Cramlington on Saturday on my way into/back from town and they looked to have very healthy loads to the level that would probably be uncomfortable on a Solo.
(15 Dec 2023, 3:28 pm)busmanT wrote [ -> ]All day, every day at a regular frequency.
I'm assuming you've seen the 777 timetable. How frequent is regular, like hourly or every 10 minutes? Can surely only be hourly on Sundays?
Finally a decent service on the 1 on evenings and Sundays!
Although the weekend timetables look far more generous for the X21 & X22, still no real running time enhancements IMO. Layover times on the Monday to Friday X21 / 35 boards don't seem to be enough with 5 minutes at each end of route!
Unless Arriva are anticipating that they can sustain a 30 minute service on each when the line goes live and will simply reduce the frequency to every 30 minutes each once that happens to address any reliability issues.
Also, could there be scope to possibly increase the 35 to every 15 minutes in the future? Whilst passenger numbers will inevitably drop on the X21/X22, surely there will be more demand going into Ashington from both Newbiggin and Morpeth with connections onto the rail line.
I've heard that the 57a changes will involve extra extensions to Ashington on Sundays. Edit, d'oh missed then announcement.
Guessing the purpose of the 777 is more so to give the North side of Ponteland a bus service (it currently has nothing bar the once daily X79) and link Ponteland to Kingston Park for shopping needs as much as the airport link.
Not surprised at it taking that route.
(22 Dec 2023, 7:51 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Guessing the purpose of the 777 is more so to give the North side of Ponteland a bus service (it currently has nothing bar the once daily X79) and link Ponteland to Kingston Park for shopping needs as much as the airport link.
Not surprised at it taking that route.
Single decker?
Can't see it being a busy route.
(22 Dec 2023, 8:33 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]Single decker?
Can't see it being a busy route.
Would imagine so, looks as if it will interwork with the X16 too.
(22 Dec 2023, 8:43 pm)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Would imagine so, looks as if it will interwork with the X16 too.
The X16 has been a mixed allocation so far. How will the interworking pattern look?
(22 Dec 2023, 8:53 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]The X16 has been a mixed allocation so far. How will the interworking pattern look?
Looking at timetables:
X16 Morpeth - Newcastle
X16 Newcastle - Morpeth
777 Morpeth - Kingston Park
777 Kingston Park - Morpeth
Then repeat the cycle with the X16 to Newcastle
Something like the reinstatement of a service to Woller would have been better than the 777 IMHO, but the BSIP madness continues.
(22 Dec 2023, 9:48 pm)solsburian wrote [ -> ]Something like the reinstatement of a service to Woller would have been better than the 777 IMHO, but the BSIP madness continues.
Surely the 777 is a prime example of BSIP funding being used well?
Creates new links, gives rural locations a service, and with the airport link has the potential to stand on its own two feet once the funding has ran out.
Not saying that something like a Wooler service isn't deserving of some funding, but the 777 is a good use of the money IMO.
(22 Dec 2023, 10:09 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Surely the 777 is a prime example of BSIP funding being used well?
Creates new links, gives rural locations a service, and with the airport link has the potential to stand on its own two feet once the funding has ran out.
Not saying that something like a Wooler service isn't deserving of some funding, but the 777 is a good use of the money IMO.
The 777 is not a good case of money we'll spent. I would be more forgiving if it was the Airport sponsoring the service, but it is not an example of a hub and spoke model that can make it sustainable. The airport only has a limited amount of employment opportunities and unless it was to terminate in Newcastle (ignoring the fact the Metro overlaps from Kingston park), it is going to have limited employment and leasire opportunities.
The minute the funding runs out I'd be willing to bet the service will be pulled.
(22 Dec 2023, 10:17 pm)solsburian wrote [ -> ]The 777 is not a good case of money we'll spent. I would be more forgiving if it was the Airport sponsoring the service, but it is not an example of a hub and spoke model that can make it sustainable. The airport only has a limited amount of employment opportunities and unless it was to terminate in Newcastle (ignoring the fact the Metro overlaps from Kingston park), it is going to have limited employment and leasire opportunities.
The minute the funding runs out I'd be willing to bet the service will be pulled.
It introduces/reintroduces the following new, direct, links:
Ponteland to Morpeth
Ponteland to Kingston Park
Ponteland to Airport Terminal
Morpeth to Airport
Morpeth to Kingston Park
Morpeth to Kirkley Hall
I personally think it's a much better use of the money than improving frequencies on already established services (not including evening services in that, or where it is a significant increase on an extension such as the 43 to Morpeth).
Newcastle Airport is horrendous to get to with public transport, given the unreliability of the Metro and how much of the North East that system doesn't serve, so a new bus service to it should be applauded really, especially if it helps to take cars off the road.
Obviously the service number is a nod to it being an airport bus, but it looks to be trying to do more than that given the route.