(21 Nov 2022, 1:03 am)ALavery wrote [ -> ]have you seen the state of the low height streetdecks? ?
Yes, they look like they've just chopped the top off, they look ridiculous!
I'm fine with them ordering E400s, they're fine enough buses, but they shouldn't have ordered low height versions when they weren't needed. It just impacts on the passenger experience for no reason.
Plus, as I've said before, the fact 6337 fits under the bridge at Dunston shows they didn't even need to be ordered that low.
New Service 17: Stanley, East Stanley, Beamish, West Pelton, Grange Villa, Edmondsley, Sacriston, Arnison Centre, Framwellgate Moor, Durham.
Would Serve Stanley Hall, Sheridan Drive & Acton Dene Replacing DCC 31.
New Service Idea
Northside Estate, Birtley, Portobello, Barley Mow, North Lodge, Chester-Le-Street, Waldridge Park.
Would Replace TB14 (Except Birtley - Kibblesworth), 701D & 702D
I'd drop the TB off of the TB14 and just have it numbered 14
Heres a new idea
Service 65 (Hourly)
Perkinsville, Pelton, Hilda Park, Chester-Le-Street, Pelton Fell, Blackhouse, Holmside, Burnhope, Maiden Law, Lanchester, Cornsay Colliery.
I've numbered it 65, but change it if you would leave the Seaham - Durham 65 as currently.
Would be allocated something that has the turning circle of a medium-sized van, due to tightish turn arounds at both Perkinsville & Cornsay Colliery.
(01 Dec 2022, 12:29 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]Heres a new idea
Service 65 (Hourly)
Perkinsville, Pelton, Hilda Park, Chester-Le-Street, Pelton Fell, Blackhouse, Holmside, Burnhope, Maiden Law, Lanchester, Cornsay Colliery.
I've numbered it 65, but change it if you would leave the Seaham - Durham 65 as currently.
Would be allocated something that has the turning circle of a medium-sized van, due to tightish turn arounds at both Perkinsville & Cornsay Colliery.
I would extend it to Esh Winning or Durham to turn around easier, also just take it the other way around Ouston from the way the 34 goes.
Also best to name it the 22 imo or 30.
55 - Doxford Park - Sunderland - Fulwell - Seaburn - Whitburn - Cleadon - East Boldon - Nissan - Concord - Follingsby (direct) - Heworth - Newcastle
X55 - Sunderland - Farringdon - East Herrington - Moorside - Doxford Park - A19 - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle
(Peak X55 via Follingsby)
(04 Dec 2022, 10:42 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]55 - Doxford Park - Sunderland - Fulwell - Seaburn - Whitburn - Cleadon - East Boldon - Nissan - Concord - Follingsby (direct) - Heworth - Newcast
Newcast?, is that Newcastles not so popular brother
(deleted the previous one as it duplicated it)The traffic on the A1 slip road of people coming from Washington is something GNE should be dealing with/looking to run routes in that area, where ever they are going, a lot presumably airport, metrocentre, Team Valley
New Service 1: Newcastle, Gateshead, Q.E Hospital, Wrekenton, Springwell Estate, Springwell Village, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Biddick, Fatfield, Shiney Row, Success, Fence Houses, Rainton Bridge, Hetton-Le-Hole, Low Moorsley.
Existing 1 Renumbered to 301.
Would operate Same as X1 (Newcastle to Wrekenton), then all stops to Low Moorsley.
I would also add more 2/2A's, 4's and 50's as they can get very busy.
Red Arrow X1|X1A
X1 - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane (every 30 mins)
X1 - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane - Peterlee - 209 Route (every 60 mins)
X1A - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane - Peterlee - 210 Route (every 60 mins)
Silver Arrows 2|3|X2|X3
2 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Pennywell - Hastings Hill - Harraton - Lambton - Washington Galleries - Parkway - Bradley Square - Concord - Usworth - Coach Road Estate - B&Q - Oxclose - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
3 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton - Grindon - Biddick - Washington Galleries - Oxclose - B&Q - Coach Road Estate - Usworth - Concord - Bradley Square - Parkway - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
X2 Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Shiney Row - A183 - A182 - Washington Galleries - Blackworth - Heworth - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 Sunderland - A690 - Farringdon - A19 - A1231 - Washington - A1 - Team Valley - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
Connections 4|4A/|4
X4 - Sunderland - Ryhope - Silksworth - Moorside - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
4 - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Farringdon - Gilley Law - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
4A - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Ryhope - Sunderland (replace the 39A) (every 30 mins)
County Ranger 8|8A
8 - Stanley - Chester-Le-Street - Washington - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
8A - Stanley - Chester-Le-Street - Washington - Hylton Castle - Red House - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
Prince Bishop 20|20A|X20
20 - Sunderland - Farringdon - East Herrington - Houghton - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Ushaw Moor (every 30 mins)
20A - Sunderland - Thorney Close - Newbottle - Houghton - Rainton Bridge - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
X20 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park (Peak) - Houghton - A690 - Durham - Arnison Centre - Sacriston - Witton Gilbert - Langley Park (every 30 mins)
Angel 21
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Waldridge Park (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Ouston (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Great Lumley - Houghton - Seaham (every 60 mins) [71 Withdrawn]
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
Angel 22
22 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Birtley - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Brandon (every 30 mins)
South Tyneside Connect
24 - Sunderland - Cleadon - South Shields (every 15 mins)
24A - Sunderland - Roker - Fulwell - Whitburn - Marsden - Horsey Hill - South Shields (every 20 mins)
26 - South Shields - South Tyneside Hospital - Jarrow - Hebburn - Lukes Lane (every 30 mins)
23 - Jarrow - Boldon - East Boldon - Cleadon - Chichester - South Shields (every 30 mins)
35|36
35 - Low Moorsley - Hetton-Le-Hole - Philadelphia - Penshaw - Grindon - Thorney Close - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
36 - South Hetton - Easington Lane - A690 - Houghton-Le-Spring - B1404 - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Orbit 37|38
37 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Pennywell - Hylton Road - Ford Estate - Pallion - Sunderland (every 15 mins)
38 - Sunderland - Pallion - Ford Estate - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 15 mins)
Doxford Park Clipper 39|40
39 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Silksworth - Doxford Park (every 30 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Hollycarrside - Hollycarrside Drive - Silksworth - Doxford Park (every 30 mins) (Optare Solo)
Simplicity 41|42
41 - Sunderland - Toward Road - Queen Alexandra Road - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth - A690 - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
42 - Sunderland - A690 - Silksworth - Leechmere Asda - Queen Alexandra Road - Toward Road - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Wear Ranger 55|55A
55 - Doxford Park - Royal Hospital - Sunderland - High Southwick - Witherwack - Red House - Downhill - Town House Farm - Follingsby - Heworth (every 30 mins)
55A - Sunderland - Castletown - Southwick - Bolden (every 30 mins)
Drifter (Purple) 61
61 - Murton - Dalton Park - New Seaham - Queen Alexandra Road - The Cedars - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Drifter (Dark Blue) 62
62 - Sunderland - Thornhill - Plains Farm - Doxford Park - A19 - New Seaham - Seaham - Dawdon - Murton (every 60 mins)
East Durham Explorer 65
65 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Durham - Arnison Centre (64 Route) (every 30 mins)
You could also do more routes to Newcastle from Sunderland through various areas and they may even be quicker than the metro.
I also feel like the Peterlee Network could be incorporated into bigger services..however I have no real idea how to do it without it being very confusing such as (201|206|209|210)
(11 Dec 2022, 10:12 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Silver Arrows
2 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Pennywell - Hastings Hill - Harraton - Lambton - Washington Galleries - Parkway - Bradley Square - Concord - Usworth - Coach Road Estate - B&Q - Oxclose - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
3 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton - Grindon - Biddick - Washington Galleries - Oxclose - B&Q - Coach Road Estate - Usworth - Concord - Bradley Square - Parkway - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
X2 Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Shiney Row - A183 - A182 - Washington Galleries (every 30 mins)
Connections 4/4A/X4
X4 - Sunderland - Ryhope - Silksworth - Moorside - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
4 - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Farringdon - Gilley Law - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
4A - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Ryhope - Sunderland (replace the 39A) (every 30 mins)
Prince Bishop 20|20A|X20
20 - Sunderland - Farringdon - East Herrington - Houghton - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Ushaw Moor (every 30 mins)
20A - Sunderland - Thorney Close - Newbottle - Houghton - Rainton Bridge - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
X20 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park (Peak) - Houghton - A690 - Durham - Arnison Centre - Sacriston - Witton Gilbert - Langley Park (every 30 mins)
Angel 21
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Waldridge Park (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Ouston (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Great Lumley - Houghton - Seaham (every 60 mins) [71 Withdrawn]
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Brandon (every 30 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
35/36
35 - Low Moorsley - Hetton-Le-Hole - Philadelphia - Penshaw - Grindon - Thorney Close - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
36 - South Hetton - Easington Lane - A690 - Houghton-Le-Spring - B1404 - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
55|55A
55 - Doxford Park - Royal Hospital - Sunderland - High Southwick - Witherwack - Red House - Downhill - Town House Farm - Follingsby - Heworth
55A - Sunderland - Castletown - Southwick - Bolden
62
Sunderland - Thornhill - Plains Farm - Doxford Park - A19 - New Seaham - Seaham - Dawdon - Murton (every 60 mins)
East Durham Explorer 65
65 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Durham - Arnison Centre (64 Route) (every 30 mins)
You could also do more routes to Newcastle from Sunderland through various areas and they may even be quicker than the metro.
So you'd have 5 21's?
(11 Dec 2022, 10:20 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]So you'd have 5 21's?
Tbf the same thing was done with the X1 having 3 different dests with the same number. Easington Lane, Peterlee, Dalton Park.
(11 Dec 2022, 11:00 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Tbf the same thing was done with the X1 having 3 different dests with the same number. Easington Lane, Peterlee, Dalton Park.
But only along two routes after Hetton-le-Hole, now down to one with the Easington Lane services effectively being 'shorts' of the full X1.
You're proposing 5 variations of 1 service, which would pretty much serve every part of County Durham after Chester-le-Street...
(11 Dec 2022, 11:50 pm)omnicity4659 wrote [ -> ]But only along two routes after Hetton-le-Hole, now down to one with the Easington Lane services effectively being 'shorts' of the full X1.
You're proposing 5 variations of 1 service, which would pretty much serve every part of County Durham after Chester-le-Street...
Fair..however I think 21/21A/21B/21C/21D would be way confusing
Even 21 (brandon)/21A(bowburn) - 22(waldridge Park)/22A(ouston) & 23 (Seaham) would be confusing for people
Tbf I am not sure if there is a reason for the Ouston route considering both 28/29 go that way
(11 Dec 2022, 10:12 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Red Arrow X1|X1A
X1 - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane (every 30 mins)
X1 - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane - Peterlee - 209 Route (every 60 mins)
X1A - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane - Peterlee - 210 Route (every 60 mins)
Silver Arrows 2|3|X2|X3
2 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Pennywell - Hastings Hill - Harraton - Lambton - Washington Galleries - Parkway - Bradley Square - Concord - Usworth - Coach Road Estate - B&Q - Oxclose - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
3 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton - Grindon - Biddick - Washington Galleries - Oxclose - B&Q - Coach Road Estate - Usworth - Concord - Bradley Square - Parkway - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
X2 Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Shiney Row - A183 - A182 - Washington Galleries - Blackworth - Heworth - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 Sunderland - A690 - Farringdon - A19 - A1231 - Washington - A1 - Team Valley - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
Connections 4|4A/|4
X4 - Sunderland - Ryhope - Silksworth - Moorside - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
4 - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Farringdon - Gilley Law - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
4A - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Ryhope - Sunderland (replace the 39A) (every 30 mins)
County Ranger 8|8A
8 - Stanley - Chester-Le-Street - Washington - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
8A - Stanley - Chester-Le-Street - Washington - Hylton Castle - Red House - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
Prince Bishop 20|20A|X20
20 - Sunderland - Farringdon - East Herrington - Houghton - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Ushaw Moor (every 30 mins)
20A - Sunderland - Thorney Close - Newbottle - Houghton - Rainton Bridge - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
X20 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park (Peak) - Houghton - A690 - Durham - Arnison Centre - Sacriston - Witton Gilbert - Langley Park (every 30 mins)
Angel 21
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Waldridge Park (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Ouston (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Great Lumley - Houghton - Seaham (every 60 mins) [71 Withdrawn]
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
Angel 22
22 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Birtley - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Brandon (every 30 mins)
South Tyneside Connect
24 - Sunderland - Cleadon - South Shields (every 15 mins)
24A - Sunderland - Roker - Fulwell - Whitburn - Marsden - Horsey Hill - South Shields (every 20 mins)
26 - South Shields - South Tyneside Hospital - Jarrow - Hebburn - Lukes Lane (every 30 mins)
23 - Jarrow - Boldon - East Boldon - Cleadon - Chichester - South Shields (every 30 mins)
35|36
35 - Low Moorsley - Hetton-Le-Hole - Philadelphia - Penshaw - Grindon - Thorney Close - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
36 - South Hetton - Easington Lane - A690 - Houghton-Le-Spring - B1404 - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Orbit 37|38
37 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Pennywell - Hylton Road - Ford Estate - Pallion - Sunderland (every 15 mins)
38 - Sunderland - Pallion - Ford Estate - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 15 mins)
Doxford Park Clipper 39|40
39 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Silksworth - Doxford Park (every 30 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Hollycarrside - Hollycarrside Drive - Silksworth - Doxford Park (every 30 mins) (Optare Solo)
Simplicity 41|42
41 - Sunderland - Toward Road - Queen Alexandra Road - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth - A690 - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
42 - Sunderland - A690 - Silksworth - Leechmere Asda - Queen Alexandra Road - Toward Road - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Wear Ranger 55|55A
55 - Doxford Park - Royal Hospital - Sunderland - High Southwick - Witherwack - Red House - Downhill - Town House Farm - Follingsby - Heworth (every 30 mins)
55A - Sunderland - Castletown - Southwick - Bolden (every 30 mins)
Drifter (Purple) 61
61 - Murton - Dalton Park - New Seaham - Queen Alexandra Road - The Cedars - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Drifter (Dark Blue) 62
62 - Sunderland - Thornhill - Plains Farm - Doxford Park - A19 - New Seaham - Seaham - Dawdon - Murton (every 60 mins)
East Durham Explorer 65
65 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Durham - Arnison Centre (64 Route) (every 30 mins)
You could also do more routes to Newcastle from Sunderland through various areas and they may even be quicker than the metro.
I also feel like the Peterlee Network could be incorporated into bigger services..however I have no real idea how to do it without it being very confusing such as (201|206|209|210)
I mean I do love reading some of these suggestions!
The 21 suggestion is confusing, no two ways about it. Although extensions to Bowburn (presumably via Shincliffe and then terminating at Amazon?) is a good idea, and the 71 being bolted onto a 21 isn’t a *bad idea*, as it would open new connections. Buses direct to Newcastle, Gateshead, Birtley etc across the 71 route would be good however keep the 21 out of it, merging the 25 with 71 would be a better solution, appreciating they’re both secured services these days but it would maybe be a decent idea if local authorities could work together to offer a more joined up network. I don’t see they need for Waldridge or Ouston extensions although I’m guessing it was at the expense of the 34? But I’m not sure that really works. You’re also proposing doubling the number of 21s (or 22s) between Durham and CLS, if you’re sending 2 buses to Brandon and 2 buses to Bowburn each hour.
There’s a few white elephants in your suggestions. What’s the point in this 55 route? The 62 route also, who’s that for? No one in Seaham or Murton are going to Sunderland city centre on your 62 proposal as it’ll take a good chunk longer than a 60 and 61 would. So the next question is there really a need for anyone in Seaham or Murton to want to go to Plains Farm or Thornhill? I’m thinking no. And as for a direct link to Doxford, I’m not sure it’s needed when connections to Doxford are relatively easily done at Ryhope. Not to mention those from Murton will probably find it’s quicker to get a 61/39 than travel via Dawdon and Seaham before even getting to New Seaham!
A few of your suggestions, whilst I appreciate what you’re doing, are replacing mini bus solo operated route into larger double decker services, and I’m not sure a Xlines decker is needed around Horden Hall Estate or if direct connections to Newcastle are top of the list of what people need. I’d guess people in Peterlee would rather have more regular services to local communities in Easington, Blackhall, Shotton and South Hetton and perhaps better integration to the local main centres of Durham, Seaham and Hartlepool.
If anything, i'd look at the old 21A/21B, and see if it can be incorporated to meet the demands in 2022,if that makes sense
(12 Dec 2022, 9:11 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]If anything, i'd look at the old 21A/21B, and see if it can be incorporated to meet the demands in 2022,if that makes sense
An awful decision to get rid of the 21a. Just a never ending shambles and combination of numbers ever since they got rid, that haven't been able to work.
At least the portion of the 21b beyond Chester was covered by the 25 until they decided that wasn't working either.
(12 Dec 2022, 3:52 am)Drifter60 wrote [ -> ]I mean I do love reading some of these suggestions!
The 21 suggestion is confusing, no two ways about it. Although extensions to Bowburn (presumably via Shincliffe and then terminating at Amazon?) is a good idea, and the 71 being bolted onto a 21 isn’t a *bad idea*, as it would open new connections. Buses direct to Newcastle, Gateshead, Birtley etc across the 71 route would be good however keep the 21 out of it, merging the 25 with 71 would be a better solution, appreciating they’re both secured services these days but it would maybe be a decent idea if local authorities could work together to offer a more joined up network. I don’t see they need for Waldridge or Ouston extensions although I’m guessing it was at the expense of the 34? But I’m not sure that really works. You’re also proposing doubling the number of 21s (or 22s) between Durham and CLS, if you’re sending 2 buses to Brandon and 2 buses to Bowburn each hour.
There’s a few white elephants in your suggestions. What’s the point in this 55 route? The 62 route also, who’s that for? No one in Seaham or Murton are going to Sunderland city centre on your 62 proposal as it’ll take a good chunk longer than a 60 and 61 would. So the next question is there really a need for anyone in Seaham or Murton to want to go to Plains Farm or Thornhill? I’m thinking no. And as for a direct link to Doxford, I’m not sure it’s needed when connections to Doxford are relatively easily done at Ryhope. Not to mention those from Murton will probably find it’s quicker to get a 61/39 than travel via Dawdon and Seaham before even getting to New Seaham!
A few of your suggestions, whilst I appreciate what you’re doing, are replacing mini bus solo operated route into larger double decker services, and I’m not sure a Xlines decker is needed around Horden Hall Estate or if direct connections to Newcastle are top of the list of what people need. I’d guess people in Peterlee would rather have more regular services to local communities in Easington, Blackhall, Shotton and South Hetton and perhaps better integration to the local main centres of Durham, Seaham and Hartlepool.
I merged it with the 21 as it would get to Newcastle hopefully within about 90-100 mins, the 25 it would be 2 hours on a good day.
It would cut the 34 down to every 30 mins, cutting the PVR by 1 to 2.
55/62 were to become local links to Doxford from Seaham and Murton which they're missing, and the 55 to create a quick services to sunderland at a high frequency instead of going straight down the A690.
209/210 was to try and get more people to use the bus as changing in peterlee isn't the best however if there was a service whcih they can get without changing it would probs attract them to use the bus more, if it did get added to the X1, it would still have links to Easington/Blackhall, South Hetton however I would try and incorporate all peterlee services into bigger services with better links.
(12 Dec 2022, 9:11 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]If anything, i'd look at the old 21A/21B, and see if it can be incorporated to meet the demands in 2022,if that makes sense
What was the old 21A/21B?
(12 Dec 2022, 9:47 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]I merged it with the 21 as it would get to Newcastle hopefully within about 90-100 mins, the 25 it would be 2 hours on a good day.
It would cut the 34 down to every 30 mins, cutting the PVR by 1 to 2.
55/62 were to become local links to Doxford from Seaham and Murton which they're missing, and the 55 to create a quick services to sunderland at a high frequency instead of going straight down the A690.
209/210 was to try and get more people to use the bus as changing in peterlee isn't the best however if there was a service whcih they can get without changing it would probs attract them to use the bus more, if it did get added to the X1, it would still have links to Easington/Blackhall, South Hetton however I would try and incorporate all peterlee services into bigger services with better links.
Most people catching the 209/210 just want to go to the town centre for their shopping and to catch up with the local gossip. There is a very good reason why these short distance but convoluted local services exist.
(12 Dec 2022, 9:48 pm)nova347 wrote [ -> ]What was the old 21A/21B?
Followed the route of the current 21 to Chester.
The 21a went to Houghton via Great Lumley and Fencehouses (extended on a DCC contract for a period to Peterlee on a Sunday).
The 21b went up to Waldridge Park Estate. Replaced by the 34/34a and 25.
(12 Dec 2022, 10:54 pm)BusLoverMum wrote [ -> ]Most people catching the 209/210 just want to go to the town centre for their shopping and to catch up with the local gossip. There is a very good reason why these short distance but convoluted local services exist.
In fairness most of them are just subsidised services by the council serving places which have been abandoned by the big 3. In fact is there actually any which aren't, they must be in single digits now.
I do think longer services are better similar to what Arriva did in Northumbria ditching the likes of the Blyth Town services etc but only if they're the right route, not the X1. I do think the X6 doing one of the local services in the Peterlee maybe the 209/210 even if it's through tickets.
I believe it runs X6 -> 209 -> 201 -> 210 -> X6 anyway so it's not really changing anything.
(12 Dec 2022, 10:54 pm)BusLoverMum wrote [ -> ]Most people catching the 209/210 just want to go to the town centre for their shopping and to catch up with the local gossip. There is a very good reason why these short distance but convoluted local services exist.
There would be no change of route, just a connection added.
(11 Dec 2022, 10:12 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Waldridge Park (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Ouston (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Great Lumley - Houghton - Seaham (every 60 mins) [71 Withdrawn]
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
Angel 22
22 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Birtley - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Brandon (every 30 mins)
The second idea of a 21 being extended to Waldridge was fulfilled just over ten years back by the 22 (which for the most part covered the present-day Waldridge section of 34, at least the Whitehill Way part). As I recall, it carried limited numbers and wasn't worth its while. The idea to essentially reestablish the old 21A (and the 735 before it) is not a bad one but in this execution, the merging with the 71 and the consequent need to extend this to Seaham would simply be too much. The 21A/735 used to be operated - albeit slightly tightly on the Houghton end - with a PVR of two. A Bowburn extension from Durham is as nonsensical as the extension to Brandon, which I am amazed is still yet to be chopped.
The 34 as it currently exists is generally pretty busy and connects two large housing areas with the town centre as well as allowing people to travel between the two (which a surprising number do). Aside from its recent foray into Pelton to cover for the loss of the 78 - in hindsight, a silly decision which has since been rectified - I can see no reason why the 34 would or should be further altered.
(12 Dec 2022, 9:48 pm)nova347 wrote [ -> ]What was the old 21A/21B?
21A was the old 231/735 and just renumbered into the 21 series, originally the 231 was Newcastle to Hartlepool via Chester and Houghton and the 735 was Newcastle to Houghton via Chester, the 21A was half hourly between Newcastle and Houghton then hourly extension to Hartlepool.
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(13 Dec 2022, 7:07 am)cbma06 wrote [ -> ]21A was the old 231/735 and just renumbered into the 21 series, originally the 231 was Newcastle to Hartlepool via Chester and Houghton and the 735 was Newcastle to Houghton via Chester, the 21A was half hourly between Newcastle and Houghton then hourly extension to Hartlepool.
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I was going to suggest, maybe a bit of competiton on this route from another operator but using a electric version of the baby solos used on the town services.
22: Newcastle, Saltwell Park, Harlow Green, Birtley, Chester-Le-Street, Plawsworth, Framwellgate Moor, Nevilles Cross, Croxdale, Thinford, Dobbies Corner, Spennymoor.
23: Newcastle, Saltwell Park, Harlow Green, Birtley, Chester-Le-Street, Plawsworth, Nettlesworth, Sacriston, Witon Gilbert.
I don't know how well this would work..
But as someone mentioned it 6301-6307 haven't been on since 17th well most of them haven't, I wonder if they're getting some branding.
Nevertheless I wonder if the 65 would stay hourly, whether it would be worth putting deckers on them, and then they can go onto the 61 (hopefully with USB's added).
It would need a PVR 3, 6301-6303, 6356-6358 or E400s.