(05 Aug 2020, 7:38 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]The 81 goes round the village I believe, which probably more than covers the requirement from Redcar.
81 does serve the village plus stops on both ends so anyone who requires the 63 can just walk down the road. Although I've rarely seen anyone get on there
Suggestions for Whitby
94 sleights via Whitby estate
95 leaholm via grosmont
96 park and ride via west cliff to Sainsburys via the town
X93 to continue to stand alone Middlesbrough via guisborough and Scarborough
New x2 service direct service from Whitby to redcar
X4 to continue as it is.
(11 Aug 2020, 1:34 pm)Ryland wrote [ -> ]Suggestions for Whitby
94 sleights via Whitby estate
95 leaholm via grosmont
96 park and ride via west cliff to Sainsburys via the town
X93 to continue to stand alone Middlesbrough via guisborough and Scarborough
New x2 service direct service from Whitby to redcar
X4 to continue as it is.
And how are you going to make the extra 8 or 9 buses required for this pay?
(11 Aug 2020, 3:15 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]And how are you going to make the extra 8 or 9 buses required for this pay?
94/95 interwork 4 solos
96 replaces p1/2 Whitby park and ride Decker
X2 spare temsa/Sapphire spare
Redcar swaps pulsar for jesmond/ ashington streetlite
1759 sent to Yorkshire tiger in place for a spare solo
Service Suggestions for Darlington
Service 3/3A and 19:
The short journeys on service 3 from Darlington to Skerne Park and the 19 from Darlington to West Park be merged to form service 3B. These journeys already interwork, this would simply advertise the cross town connection from Skerne Park to both the General Hospital and West Park Hospital.
Service 4 and 9:
These services would be merged to form new service 9 from Minors Crescent to Springfield. Again these services already interwork it would simply be advertising the fact, promoting cross-town connections as was done with service 2 and service 11 in the past.
Service 8 and 12:
Extend the 8 hourly to Hurworth replacing the short journeys on service 12. The 12 timetable would be revised to fit around service 8 (due to the corridor with the 5/5a/7/X21) and the 8 and 12 would interwork using the same vehicles as now. An additional Pulsar may be required in place of a Solo and so a swap could be arranged with 1409 coming to Darlington in place of 2841. Again this would introduce new cross town connections.
Below doesn't take into account evenings & Sundays but will have a think. All journeys double deck operated.
PVR 306/307/308 = 10x
PVR X38 = 4x (or interworking with another Blyth 'X' service)
Service 306:
- Reduced to every 30 minutes and Tynemouth to Newcastle only.
- Will no longer serve Battle Hill Drive.
- Journeys to Tynemouth operate via Christ Church in North Shields. Journeys towards Newcastle unchanged.
- Journeys will terminate near Hotspur Street in Tynemouth before following the current evening route towards Newcastle via Percy Park Road.
NEW Service 307:
- Every 30 minutes.
- Same route as service 306 between Whitley Bay and Preston Grange Morrisons via Marden Estate. Then via Beach Road to Billy Mill then same route as 306/308 to Newcastle.
Service 308:
- Reduced to every 30 minutes and Whitley Bay Town Centre to Newcastle only.
- Section of route between Blyth and Whitley Bay Town Centre replaced by service X38.
NEW Service X38:
- Every 30 minutes.
- Same route & stopping arrangements as service 308 in current form between Blyth and Billy Mill.
- Limited stop between Billy Mill and Newcastle only calling at Norham Road and Willington Square.
So no Arriva service for Battle Hill is what your trying to to propose?
(19 Sep 2020, 8:34 am)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]So no Arriva service for Battle Hill is what your trying to to propose?
There's virtually no point of the 306 in Battle Hill. Most of Battle Hill can be easily accessed from Willington Square (Tynemet) & St Peters (shops).
Overall PVR for the 306/308 would reduce from 18x vehicles to 14x vehicles (that covers the 306/307/308/X38). Plus, if demand is there and things pick back up again, the X38 could be increased to every 20 minutes which would take PVR to 17x.
New Service 56 (Newcastle): Haymarket - South Gosforth - Four Lane Ends - Benton ASDA - Northumberland Park - Backworth - Seghill
Return of old 723 as X13
(19 Sep 2020, 8:26 am)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Below doesn't take into account evenings & Sundays but will have a think. All journeys double deck operated.
PVR 306/307/308 = 10x
PVR X38 = 4x (or interworking with another Blyth 'X' service)
Service 306:
- Reduced to every 30 minutes and Tynemouth to Newcastle only.
- Will no longer serve Battle Hill Drive.
- Journeys to Tynemouth operate via Christ Church in North Shields. Journeys towards Newcastle unchanged.
- Journeys will terminate near Hotspur Street in Tynemouth before following the current evening route towards Newcastle via Percy Park Road.
NEW Service 307:- Every 30 minutes.
- Same route as service 306 between Whitley Bay and Preston Grange Morrisons via Marden Estate. Then via Beach Road to Billy Mill then same route as 306/308 to Newcastle.
Service 308:- Reduced to every 30 minutes and Whitley Bay Town Centre to Newcastle only.
- Section of route between Blyth and Whitley Bay Town Centre replaced by service X38.
NEW Service X38:- Every 30 minutes.
- Same route & stopping arrangements as service 308 in current form between Blyth and Billy Mill.
- Limited stop between Billy Mill and Newcastle only calling at Norham Road and Willington Square.
You really need to stop looking at these services as Coast Road services and look at the other end for once. The 306 from Billy Mill to Tynemouth is the only bus service for the majority of the route and your planning to give them a 30 minute service and nothing else. The 306 between Tynemouth and Whitley is about creating links inbetween, no-one in their right mind would use it to Newcastle. Marden estate has had numerous buses going direct to Newcastle and they've all ended the same way (failed) there isn't the demand - simply. I never understand your obsession with cutting services which have worked perfectly fine since the 1980's and beyond, usually bus enthiasts want to improve / make things better for the passenger not the pockets of big corporates.
Also the 306 must start at Grand Parade for Longsands beach where it's always started / ended for layover reasons unless your planning to block the road for a bus out of service.
(19 Sep 2020, 10:01 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]New Service 56 (Newcastle): Haymarket - South Gosforth - Four Lane Ends - Benton ASDA - Northumberland Park - Backworth - Seghill
Return of old 723 as X13
That 56 pretty much duplicates the Metro for it's length can't see it being too popular and can't imagine there's much demand between Backworth and Seghill to warrent a bus route sadly.
New Service 50 Circular: Newcastle Haymarket, Newcastle Airport, Ponteland, Berwick Hill, Horton Grange, Stannington, Cramlington, High Pit, Southfield, Regent Centre, Newcastle Haymarket
New Service 50A Circular: Reverse of 50
New Service 6/6A: Cramlington, High Pit, Annitsford, Seghill, Backworth, Northumberland Park, Cobalt, Hadrian Park(6), Howdon (6), Wallsend (6), High Flatworth (6A), Percy Main (6A), North Shields (6A)
Revised Service X6: Cramlington, High Pit, Annitsford, Seghill, Backworth, Northumberland Park, Cobalt, NON STOP, Newcastle Haymarket
(20 Sep 2020, 11:00 am)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]New Service 50 Circular: Newcastle Haymarket, Newcastle Airport, Ponteland, Berwick Hill, Horton Grange, Stannington, Cramlington, High Pit, Southfield, Regent Centre, Newcastle Haymarket
New Service 50A Circular: Reverse of 50
New Service 6/6A: Cramlington, High Pit, Annitsford, Seghill, Backworth, Northumberland Park, Cobalt, Hadrian Park(6), Howdon (6), Wallsend (6), High Flatworth (6A), Percy Main (6A), North Shields (6A)
Revised Service X6: Cramlington, High Pit, Annitsford, Seghill, Backworth, Northumberland Park, Cobalt, NON STOP, Newcastle Haymarket
I don't really see the point in the 6/6A it's basically just the 19 but long winded and the Northern section is subsidised and the whole route is subsidised at night. Similar with the X6, Cramlington has the 19, X10, X11, High Pit the X8, 19, 57/57A and Seghill has the X7, 57A which does most the route and it'll be quicker.
If your aim is to give Backworth another bus service to Newcastle, your best bet would probably be to extend the short 51 round the new housing estate past the Pavillion pub and loop back down via the old road to Northumberland Park or vice versa. If your wanting to give Seghill a link to the Metro then your probably better off looking at a way to link it to Four Lane Ends somehow (without using the X7 - it's slow enough as it is).
I miss the days of the X36!
A direct link between Seaton Delaval/Seghill and Killingworth would be nice to have too.
Dont really use Arriva much,but what about this,im expecting to get slated
42-Haymarket,Town Moor,Gosforth High Street,Regent Centre,Wideopen,Dudley Lane/Green Lane,Annitsford,Seghill,Seaton Deleval,High Pit/Village Road,Manor Walks, possibly interwork with either the 43,52 or 53
51,slight reshuffle,from Holystone serves Northumberland Park,then West Allotment,then continues service as is currently
53,from North Shields extends (hourly) to Whitley Bay via Preston Road North,Preston Grange Morrisons,Preston Grange,Malvern Road,Devon Road,N.T.G.H,Whitley Bay Ice Rink,Whitley Bay, also to additionally serve Northumberland Park
54,to additionally serve Northumberland Park
(21 Sep 2020, 9:26 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]Dont really use Arriva much,but what about this,im expecting to get slated
42-Haymarket,Town Moor,Gosforth High Street,Regent Centre,Wideopen,Dudley Lane/Green Lane,Annitsford,Seghill,Seaton Deleval,High Pit/Village Road,Manor Walks, possibly interwork with either the 43,52 or 53
51,slight reshuffle,from Holystone serves Northumberland Park,then West Allotment,then continues service as is currently
53,from North Shields extends (hourly) to Whitley Bay via Preston Road North,Preston Grange Morrisons,Preston Grange,Malvern Road,Devon Road,N.T.G.H,Whitley Bay Ice Rink,Whitley Bay, also to additionally serve Northumberland Park
54,to additionally serve Northumberland Park
I'm from Delaval and tbh don't really see the point in the 42, I'd never use it tbh and can't imagine many others would either. We have the 19/57/57A to Cramlington, 57A to Annitsford and never really had the need to go to Gosforth or the Regent Centre and the Bus/Metro route wouldn't be much longer.
If your interested for here the places that people want are the most in order of most moaned about: (All the villages are Seaton Delaval, Holywell, Seghill and New Hartley)
All The Villages -> North Tyneside Hospital
Holywell -> Newcastle
Seghill -> Northumbria Hospital
New Hartley -> Whitley / North Shields
Seghill -> Metro (not going backwards 15 minutes - (Not X7 diverted))
All The Villages -> Killingworth (But not the X7 diverted)
For your 53 extension I'd extend the 57A instead and you've fixed the biggest moan around here (or do the old 810/811 route and go up to Hospital roundabout and turn back then continue to Morrisons). Arriva used to serve Northumberland Park but then pulled them all pretty much at the same time and it's not far to walk from Sainsburys where the 53 and 54 serve, guessing that's the reason why it's not a very good designed bus stop really and would be better if the bridge was opened up but there's plans to pedestrianise it and remove the 2 concrete walls in the future with the B&T Railway.
(22 Sep 2020, 10:01 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]I'm from Delaval and tbh don't really see the point in the 42, I'd never use it tbh and can't imagine many others would either. We have the 19/57/57A to Cramlington, 57A to Annitsford and never really had the need to go to Gosforth or the Regent Centre and the Bus/Metro route wouldn't be much longer.
If your interested for here the places that people want are the most in order of most moaned about: (All the villages are Seaton Delaval, Holywell, Seghill and New Hartley)
All The Villages -> North Tyneside Hospital
Holywell -> Newcastle
Seghill -> Northumbria Hospital
New Hartley -> Whitley / North Shields
Seghill -> Metro (not going backwards 15 minutes - (Not X7 diverted))
All The Villages -> Killingworth (But not the X7 diverted)
For your 53 extension I'd extend the 57A instead and you've fixed the biggest moan around here (or do the old 810/811 route and go up to Hospital roundabout and turn back then continue to Morrisons). Arriva used to serve Northumberland Park but then pulled them all pretty much at the same time and it's not far to walk from Sainsburys where the 53 and 54 serve, guessing that's the reason why it's not a very good designed bus stop really and would be better if the bridge was opened up but there's plans to pedestrianise it and remove the 2 concrete walls in the future with the B&T Railway.
A few years back, and with my councillor hat on, I did discuss the feasibility along with the local county councillor about direct services to between Seaton Valley and Killingworth with one of the transport officers at NCC. While he agreed there would likely be some demand, he was wary of the potential impact it would have on the 57/57a as it would likely abstract away shoppers going to Cramlington to Killingworth instead. A potential example of the Butterfly effect I guess.
(22 Sep 2020, 10:01 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]I'm from Delaval and tbh don't really see the point in the 42, I'd never use it tbh and can't imagine many others would either. We have the 19/57/57A to Cramlington, 57A to Annitsford and never really had the need to go to Gosforth or the Regent Centre and the Bus/Metro route wouldn't be much longer.
If your interested for here the places that people want are the most in order of most moaned about: (All the villages are Seaton Delaval, Holywell, Seghill and New Hartley)
All The Villages -> North Tyneside Hospital
Holywell -> Newcastle
Seghill -> Northumbria Hospital
New Hartley -> Whitley / North Shields
Seghill -> Metro (not going backwards 15 minutes - (Not X7 diverted))
All The Villages -> Killingworth (But not the X7 diverted)
For your 53 extension I'd extend the 57A instead and you've fixed the biggest moan around here (or do the old 810/811 route and go up to Hospital roundabout and turn back then continue to Morrisons). Arriva used to serve Northumberland Park but then pulled them all pretty much at the same time and it's not far to walk from Sainsburys where the 53 and 54 serve, guessing that's the reason why it's not a very good designed bus stop really and would be better if the bridge was opened up but there's plans to pedestrianise it and remove the 2 concrete walls in the future with the B&T Railway.
Would there be any demand to send a service to Wallsend, if you found a way to incorporate other peoples ideas as well
(22 Sep 2020, 4:38 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]Would there be any demand to send a service to Wallsend, if you found a way to incorporate other peoples ideas as well
Theres the 553 that could be tinkered with
