After watching the arriva buses leave haymarket from my seat in the hotspur today from 5 'pm I dont think they need to do out. Gne might want to reduce the QE to one an hour and god knows why nexus asked staged to run the 52 to Whitley. 1 peron on a decker
(27 Nov 2022, 9:04 pm)Rob44 wrote [ -> ]After watching the arriva buses leave haymarket from my seat in the hotspur today from 5 'pm I dont think they need to do out. Gne might want to reduce the QE to one an hour and god knows why nexus asked staged to run the 52 to Whitley. 1 peron on a decker
You mean the 54,the 52 go's to Cramlington
(28 Nov 2022, 12:50 am)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]You mean the 54,the 52 go's to Cramlington
Yes, after a "few" pints 2's look like 4's
I have attempted to use ChatGPT AI to create a sample timetable, here is the result.
I have copied the exact wording it used to do this.
Sure, here's a sample bus timetable for a service between Newcastle and Tynemouth:
Monday to Friday:06:00 - First bus departs from Newcastle Central Station
06:15 - Stops at Northumbria University
06:25 - Stops at Four Lane Ends Metro Station
06:45 - Arrives at Tynemouth Station
07:00 - Departs from Tynemouth Station
07:20 - Stops at Four Lane Ends Metro Station
07:30 - Stops at Northumbria University
07:45 - Arrives at Newcastle Central Station
08:00 to 16:00 - Buses depart every 30 minutes from Newcastle Central Station and Tynemouth Station
16:15 - Departs from Tynemouth Station
16:35 - Stops at Four Lane Ends Metro Station
16:45 - Stops at Northumbria University
17:00 - Arrives at Newcastle Central Station
17:15 - Departs from Newcastle Central Station
17:30 - Stops at Northumbria University
17:40 - Stops at Four Lane Ends Metro Station
18:00 - Arrives at Tynemouth Station
Saturday:
Sunday:
Please note that this is just a sample timetable and actual departure and arrival times may vary depending on the bus operator, day of the week, and time of year. It's always a good idea to check the bus schedule in advance to ensure you have the most up-to-date information
(02 Mar 2023, 11:53 am)ASX_Terranova wrote [ -> ]I have attempted to use ChatGPT AI to create a sample timetable, here is the result.
I have copied the exact wording it used to do this.
Sure, here's a sample bus timetable for a service between Newcastle and Tynemouth:
Monday to Friday:06:00 - First bus departs from Newcastle Central Station
06:15 - Stops at Northumbria University
06:25 - Stops at Four Lane Ends Metro Station
06:45 - Arrives at Tynemouth Station
07:00 - Departs from Tynemouth Station
07:20 - Stops at Four Lane Ends Metro Station
07:30 - Stops at Northumbria University
07:45 - Arrives at Newcastle Central Station
08:00 to 16:00 - Buses depart every 30 minutes from Newcastle Central Station and Tynemouth Station
16:15 - Departs from Tynemouth Station
16:35 - Stops at Four Lane Ends Metro Station
16:45 - Stops at Northumbria University
17:00 - Arrives at Newcastle Central Station
17:15 - Departs from Newcastle Central Station
17:30 - Stops at Northumbria University
17:40 - Stops at Four Lane Ends Metro Station
18:00 - Arrives at Tynemouth Station
Saturday:
Sunday:
Please note that this is just a sample timetable and actual departure and arrival times may vary depending on the bus operator, day of the week, and time of year. It's always a good idea to check the bus schedule in advance to ensure you have the most up-to-date information
ChatGPT or Bing Chat?
I've been using Bing to write emails for work and it's working surprisingly well!
Sent from my SM-F721B using Tapatalk
(02 Mar 2023, 4:16 pm)streetdeckfan wrote [ -> ]ChatGPT or Bing Chat?
I've been using Bing to write emails for work and it's working surprisingly well!
Sent from my SM-F721B using Tapatalk
I was using ChatGPT for other reasons, so i thought why not try a bus timetable.
I tried to do Newcastle - Durham first but that was a total mess, it thought picktree roundabout was classed as Plawsworth, it skipped Chester entirely whilst serving durham station and gave me a 45 minute frequency.
Looking at the new Coast Road timetables.....could this not be an opportunity for Arriva to try a later service to Blyth & Cramlington, also reducing dead mileage once Walkergate is eventually wound down? That's assuming the evening 306 & 308 journeys are kept standalone.....
Blyth >>> light remote relief to Tynemouth
20:59 306 ex Tynemouth
21:45 306 ex Newcastle
22:59 306 ex Tynemouth
23:45 X11 ex Newcastle
Last X11 would run as an 'all stopper' via Wideopen, Seaton Burn and Dudley.
From the 51 - 55 withdrawals is it just me who thinks that these won't be replaced long term and it'll more likely be something like:
Arriva Changes:
X7/X8 - Serve all stops along Matthew Bank
57A and/or X8 - Serve Fern Drive instead of Northumberland Business Park
Both these will have no issues with timetables.
Nexus Changes:
18 - Extended from Four Lane Ends to Cramlington (Every 30 Minutes), PVR 2
51 - Hourly replacement, PVR 2.5
52 - Withdrawn, replaced by 18
53 - Killingworth to North Shields, current route Killingworth to Cobalt, serve Murton, then some merger of the 53/335 depending on time for the rest of it (PVR 2)
54 - Newcastle to Shiremoor only, PVR 1.5
55 - Withdrawn - Not needed
335 - Withdrawn East of Hadrian Park (PVR -2) - other half who knows outside of this.
W2 - Withdrawn
Seems the best use of limited resources and would serve everyone with some form of bus route while removing duplicates.
Divert the X7 into Killingworth via Killingworth Way, Northagte, Bus Station, West Bailey, Station Road
Map:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.04032...m2!4m1!3e0
It will add an extra 8-15 Minutes on to the route
It will give Blyth a direct connection into Killingworth Town Centre
(20 May 2023, 6:35 pm)NEbushopper wrote [ -> ]Divert the X7 into Killingworth via Killingworth Way, Northagte, Bus Station, West Bailey, Station Road
Map:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.04032...m2!4m1!3e0
It will add an extra 8-15 Minutes on to the route
It will give Blyth a direct connection into Killingworth Town Centre
Strongly disagree - it's too long as it is and is about being the Seaton Valley to Newcastle bus route, not a 'Blyth' express.
It would just kill the bus route for the second time after the farce with Gosforth High Street. I used to use the X7(X4) daily pretty much before that, after that I pretty much always use the 57/57A or 19 to West Monkseaton / Northumberland Park and use the Metro instead as it's quicker and goes to where I want to be in Newcastle (not Haymarket) and still do 8 years later. The X7 is a complete waste of time at peak times in particular.
There's plenty other people who done the same bar dumping the car in the estates around Northumberland Park hence they're now going to be permit by the looks of it soon. Also the route would be completely dead when the train turns up as the time different would no longer be neglegible and be substantially quicker by train by about 25 mins.
(09 May 2023, 6:51 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]From the 51 - 55 withdrawals is it just me who thinks that these won't be replaced long term and it'll more likely be something like:
Arriva Changes:
X7/X8 - Serve all stops along Matthew Bank
57A and/or X8 - Serve Fern Drive instead of Northumberland Business Park
Both these will have no issues with timetables.
Nexus Changes:
18 - Extended from Four Lane Ends to Cramlington (Every 30 Minutes), PVR 2
51 - Hourly replacement, PVR 2.5
52 - Withdrawn, replaced by 18
53 - Killingworth to North Shields, current route Killingworth to Cobalt, serve Murton, then some merger of the 53/335 depending on time for the rest of it (PVR 2)
54 - Newcastle to Shiremoor only, PVR 1.5
55 - Withdrawn - Not needed
335 - Withdrawn East of Hadrian Park (PVR -2) - other half who knows outside of this.
W2 - Withdrawn
Seems the best use of limited resources and would serve everyone with some form of bus route while removing duplicates.
Whatever happens, the Wiltshire Drive to Newcastle section needs morphed properly into the Coast Road corridor rather than being an 'oddball' running amongst 12 buses per hour. Waste of funds IMO subsidising a service through Wiltshire Drive when the 307 could pick this section up commercially (with evening subsidy if the 307/309 still receive this?).
If Wiltshire Drive had the demand wouldn't there already be a major service going through it?
(20 May 2023, 10:46 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]If Wiltshire Drive had the demand wouldn't there already be a major service going through it?
It's never really had the resource available due to running time constraints, interworking patterns and PVRs of the 75/76/300/305/310/315/316
Arriva did up the 51/51A to half hourly for a period through Wiltshire Drive before cutting due to driver shortages.
The 307 would work well through Wiltshire Drive with Hadrian Park covered by an alternative service (22 would be the most obvious choice).
Way better a 20 minute commercial service covering Wiltshire Drive rather than Nexus having to pick up the tab and effectively subsidise a minibus sitting amongst 12 major services per hour along the Coast Road.
(20 May 2023, 11:23 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]It's never really had the resource available due to running time constraints, interworking patterns and PVRs of the 75/76/300/305/310/315/316
Arriva did up the 51/51A to half hourly for a period through Wiltshire Drive before cutting due to driver shortages.
The 307 would work well through Wiltshire Drive with Hadrian Park covered by an alternative service (22 would be the most obvious choice).
Way better a 20 minute commercial service covering Wiltshire Drive rather than Nexus having to pick up the tab and effectively subsidise a minibus sitting amongst 12 major services per hour along the Coast Road.
About 20 years ago Wiltshire Drive had a few buses, 321/322/323, the original 307,those are just a few, didnt the 51A used to go straight up Station Road missing out Wiltshire Drive?
(21 May 2023, 2:54 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]About 20 years ago Wiltshire Drive had a few buses, 321/322/323, the original 307,those are just a few, didnt the 51A used to go straight up Station Road missing out Wiltshire Drive?
The original 307 only ran a 'limited' service tbh, the 51 has been the most stable service through Wiltshire Drive and the 51A did used to go up Station Road, before the 51/51A were interworked with the 46/46A.
The 307 would work well through Wiltshire Drive and likewise although a slightly longer journey, Hadrian Park would get a better service from the 22 including more links smack bang into Newcastle (rather than walking from Haymarket) and later last buses judging by the current 22 timetable.
Hadrian Park is a pain to serve mid-route with it being one way in - one way out. Wiltshire Drive is much easier with different ways in and out.
Commercially, GNE would benefit from an evening PVR reduction and unless Stagecoach dropped Cobalt & Silverlink, would reduce the risk of Stagecoach enroaching the Whitley Bay - Howdon section of GNE's 1.
(21 May 2023, 3:32 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]The original 307 only ran a 'limited' service tbh, the 51 has been the most stable service through Wiltshire Drive and the 51A did used to go up Station Road, before the 51/51A were interworked with the 46/46A.
The 307 would work well through Wiltshire Drive and likewise although a slightly longer journey, Hadrian Park would get a better service from the 22 including more links smack bang into Newcastle (rather than walking from Haymarket) and later last buses judging by the current 22 timetable.
Hadrian Park is a pain to serve mid-route with it being one way in - one way out. Wiltshire Drive is much easier with different ways in and out.
Commercially, GNE would benefit from an evening PVR reduction and unless Stagecoach dropped Cobalt & Silverlink, would reduce the risk of Stagecoach enroaching the Whitley Bay - Howdon section of GNE's 1.
See personally, I'd be tempted to do this with the 51:
50 - Newcastle to Backworth (Hourly) -
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Newcastl...77!1m0!3e0
51 - Newcastle to Whitley Bay (Hourly) -
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Newcastl...5b!1m0!3e0
19 - North Shields to Cramlington via Seaton Delaval (Hourly) - Current route bar serving main road rather than estate in Backworth
20 - North Shields to Cramlington via Killingworth (Hourly) -
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.08424...c0!1m0!3e0
53 - Curtailed at Killingworth
54 - Withdrawn
The 54, is the basket case bus route, you'd be better pushing that traffic towards the 51 corridor and the quicker route to Newcastle rather than a magical mystery tour of the North East. There's no lost links as North Shields to Cramlington is covered on the 19/20 every 30 minutes, Cobalt to Killingworth is covered on the quicker 20 and Shiremoor to Whitley Bay is covered by the 51.
There's also numerous buses between Gosforth and Newcastle and Whitley Bay and Cobalt.
(21 May 2023, 5:20 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]See personally, I'd be tempted to do this with the 51:
50 - Newcastle to Backworth (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Newcastl...77!1m0!3e0
51 - Newcastle to Whitley Bay (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Newcastl...5b!1m0!3e0
19 - North Shields to Cramlington via Seaton Delaval (Hourly) - Current route bar serving main road rather than estate in Backworth
20 - North Shields to Cramlington via Killingworth (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.08424...c0!1m0!3e0
53 - Curtailed at Killingworth
54 - Withdrawn
The 54, is the basket case bus route, you'd be better pushing that traffic towards the 51 corridor and the quicker route to Newcastle rather than a magical mystery tour of the North East. There's no lost links as North Shields to Cramlington is covered on the 19/20 every 30 minutes, Cobalt to Killingworth is covered on the quicker 20 and Shiremoor to Whitley Bay is covered by the 51.
There's also numerous buses between Gosforth and Newcastle and Whitley Bay and Cobalt.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from with the 51 although commercially, I do think the 307 would be a success via Wiltshire Drive with strong points of the route either side supporting it.
Wiltshire Drive & Hadrian Park are tricky to get right. One is a pain to get in / out off. The other could easily be served as part of the Coast Road network, but it's a question of what happens with the Benton Rise - Whitley Bay section of route.
An extension of the 38 half hourly via Benton Park Road, Whitley Road and East Benton Rise to Holystone Park / Northumberland Park then hourly via the 51 route to Whitley Bay would be a shout. But would a decker be "too much" especially between Holystone Park and Whitley Bay.
Look, I don't think the 307 via Hadrian Park is a bad thing. Maybe the 2008 changes were overkill.
Looking at the North Shields - Middle Engine Lane section of route and 'faster' alternatives.....
- Meadowell - Metro
- Quadrant - GNE 1
- West Chirton - Walking distance to Billy Mill / Norham Road for 306/308.
- Percy Main Metro
Only part that I'd say wholly depends on the 307 for a Newcastle connection would be top part of Norham Road.
How many journeys have been made in recent years from passengers between North Shields and Middle Engine Lane to the Newcastle City Council area or are most just 'local' trips to Battle Hill (for TyneMet etc) and High Farm?
(21 May 2023, 9:35 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Yeah, I can see where you're coming from with the 51 although commercially, I do think the 307 would be a success via Wiltshire Drive with strong points of the route either side supporting it.
Wiltshire Drive & Hadrian Park are tricky to get right. One is a pain to get in / out off. The other could easily be served as part of the Coast Road network, but it's a question of what happens with the Benton Rise - Whitley Bay section of route.
An extension of the 38 half hourly via Benton Park Road, Whitley Road and East Benton Rise to Holystone Park / Northumberland Park then hourly via the 51 route to Whitley Bay would be a shout. But would a decker be "too much" especially between Holystone Park and Whitley Bay.
Aye some fair points. See personally I still think there's too many buses between South Beach and New York. A bus along there every 10 minutes is just complete overkill and I'd be surprised if they're making money especially now with the reduced fares so the X7/X8 are now competitive. Most people from Whitley Bay / Hillheads will use the Metro so I'm not sure what it's really serving.
Especially considering areas around it have next to no bus service at all. Obviously they're both commercial so you can't do much but if things become franchised are they really needed.
There's as many buses through Seaton Sluice than there is through Low Fell nowadays which is just bonkers.
Would a Bishop Auckland or Spennymoor to Teesside (Hartlepool, Billingham, Stockton or Middlesbrough) express-ish service see any passenger usage.
If it was from Spennymoor it could serve any combination of Coxhoe, Kelloe, Trimdon, Deaf Hill, etc...
If it was from Bishop it could serve any combination of Coundon, Chilton, Ferryhill, Sedgefield, Fishburn, Wynyard, etc...