(29 Aug 2022, 9:52 pm)omnicity4659 wrote [ -> ]Send the Q3 from Jesmond to Regent Centre via a new bus gate on Salters Bridge and Hollywood Avenue, allowing the 46/46A to be withdrawn. Q3 then can also go along Polwarth Drive and Greenfield Road too. Only areas that lose out are Featherstone Grove and Gosforth high street.
(29 Aug 2022, 9:58 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Not sure that's a good idea as your removing the Jesmond and Great Park to Gosforth links.
Doing the route you suggested there, there's very little reason to go via Jesmond as most people use the Metro anyway and Salter's Bridge is knackered. The only reason they shut the bridges is to save money maintaining them, blaming it as environmental reasons instead.
(29 Aug 2022, 10:15 pm)omnicity4659 wrote [ -> ]Wasn't aware of the bridge situation, although I had a feeling the rat-run excuse wasn't the reason why it closed to vehicles.
(29 Aug 2022, 11:08 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]84/85/93/94
THey should become actual loops.
I just realised this a few days ago and its another failure from management imo.
At this current time the 93&94 interwork meaning while they are loops they are very badly designed as if you want to get to Bensham, from Gateshead Stadium you would either need to slog 45 mins on 93 or 20 mins on 94, however to save 25 mins you would need to pay double the fares so why don't GNE just have the 93 stay on the 93 all day so you can go past the terminus Gateshead e.g Heworth to Bensham qucker than having to go the long way around. Samr for 84/85.
I don't know why they don't do it this way.
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(12 Sep 2022, 9:53 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Keep seeing people moaning about the 65 being constantly delayed and it got me thinking how could you improve it and came up with these new routes.So Seaham to Durham would be hourly, when the Seaham - Hetton part is the part with the most traffic, aswell its either Arriva or GNE, for most people so therefore it would be every 15 mins with the 60, with the 61 cancellation.
60 - Permanently dropped to every 15 minutes.
61 - Withdrawn
X6 - As is (Hourly)
X7 - Same route as X6 to Dalton Park extended, 65 route through Murton, extended to Peterlee hourly via 61 route, every hour
X8 - Same route as X6 to Dalton Park extended around the 61 Murton loop, every 30 minutes
35 - Current route, every 30 minutes extended to Durham via the 65 route, hourly
36 - Current 65 route, every hour.
Overall the PVR would be the same / possibly slightly reduced it's just moving resources to give better service to more areas and a new express service to Seaham rather than the 61 duplicating numerous services and a bus spending it's time going around in circles around Murton.
With these common sections
22/23/60 - Every 7.5 Minutes
X6/X7/X8 - Every 15 Minutes
35/36 - Every 30 Minutes
The X6 only takes 1 minute longer than the 61 does and Hetton etc get a quicker direct service to Sunderland without a mystery tour around Murton and removes duplicate services through the West side of Seaham and fixes the driver issues with the 35/36 interworking.
(12 Sep 2022, 10:04 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]So Seaham to Durham would be hourly, when the Seaham - Hetton part is the part with the most traffic, aswell its either Arriva or GNE, for most people so therefore it would be every 15 mins with the 60, with the 61 cancellation.
Every 15 min link between Seaham and Dalton Park on GNE is gone, to every hour. There is no integration with Arriva & GNE, especially people who buy day tickets and single Arriva is cheaper.
60 should return to every 12 mins especially with the 61 drop in frequency. The 61 should be permanently re-routed on the 61A Route.
X6 - Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Easington - Murton - Dalton Park - Seaham - Doxford Park - Sunderland.
X7 - Sunderland - Doxford Park - Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - Easington - Peterlee - Dalton Park - Seaham - Sunderland
I don't know how that would work, but it would keep the 61 at every 30 mins with an express service to peterlee and a slow service.
Tbf if anything GNE should run the 22.
(12 Sep 2022, 10:31 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]To those,Murton to Seaham is currently at every 20 mins, was every 15.
Murton to Seaham would upped to every 15 minutes with the 36, X7 and X8
Seaham to Dalton Park would also be every 15 minutes with the X6, X7 and X8
The 60 is mostly covered, it's only section in the West of Seaham which isn't, the 2, 2A, 39, 39A all over other parts of the route and having one awkward 12 minute service with 2 15 minute services makes it hard to interwork.
(12 Sep 2022, 10:43 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Murton to Seaham is currently at every 20 mins, was every 15.
From Ryhope - New Seaham towards DP wouldn't have a service, and New Seaham to Dalton park would only be hourly.
23/22 and 60/61 will never interwork, also there is no ticket acceptance. 22/23 pick up no one between Dalton Park and Sunderland. Which is why imo 22 should be ran by GNE.
(12 Sep 2022, 10:56 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]tbf. that's more ticketing issues though. There should be ticketing between 2 and the BSIP should sort that out. There's too many buses on that corridor and the 61 is the one that's getting the bullet with frequency reductions. In an ideal world the fact it's Arriva / GNE needs to be made irrelevant.I think there is only 9, 5 60's, 2 61's, 1 22, 1 23.
Having 2 operators on one corridor never benefits anyone though really, it's the same with the Coast Road. It's ridiculous how many buses there are between Ryhope/Leechmere and Sunderland though, there's no need for 19 buses an hour in parts which I believe it is in normal times excluding the Stagecoach 10/11 and X6.
Similar there's no need for 11 buses from West Seaham to Sunderland either.
(12 Sep 2022, 9:53 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Keep seeing people moaning about the 65 being constantly delayed and it got me thinking how could you improve it and came up with these new routes.Have you seen how busy the 60 gets. I needs the every 12 minute frequency back, so does the 20 tbh.
60 - Permanently dropped to every 15 minutes.
61 - Withdrawn
X6 - As is (Hourly)
X7 - Same route as X6 to Dalton Park extended, 65 route through Murton, extended to Peterlee hourly via 61 route, every hour
X8 - Same route as X6 to Dalton Park extended around the 61 Murton loop, every 30 minutes
35 - Current route, every 30 minutes extended to Durham via the 65 route, hourly
36 - Current 65 route, every hour.
Overall the PVR would be the same / possibly slightly reduced it's just moving resources to give better service to more areas and a new express service to Seaham rather than the 61 duplicating numerous services and a bus spending it's time going around in circles around Murton.
With these common sections
22/23/60 - Every 7.5 Minutes
X6/X7/X8 - Every 15 Minutes
35/36 - Every 30 Minutes
The X6 only takes 1 minute longer than the 61 does and Hetton etc get a quicker direct service to Sunderland without a mystery tour around Murton and removes duplicate services through the West side of Seaham and fixes the driver issues with the 35/36 interworking.
(13 Sep 2022, 5:18 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]I think there is only 9, 5 60's, 2 61's, 1 22, 1 23.
Like I stated before 22/23 don't pick up anyone between Dalton Park and Sunderland. so really its 7.
Clearly there is a need for the 60/61 at 6, Hopefully back upto 7 per hour at the end of October. I don't think the 22/23 will go back upto every 15 mins, I think the 22 Might, but not the 23. Realistically 22/23/24 would all be ran by GNE. Especially the Sunderland to Durham part
(12 Sep 2022, 10:56 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]tbf. that's more ticketing issues though. There should be ticketing between 2 and the BSIP should sort that out. There's too many buses on that corridor and the 61 is the one that's getting the bullet with frequency reductions. In an ideal world the fact it's Arriva / GNE needs to be made irrelevant.Currently 2x 2, 2x 2A, 1x 22, 1x 23, 4x 39s, 4x 60, 2x 61; so 16 buses per hour - HOWEVER, that is only true for a few stops (Ocean Road - Vilette Road). The 2 joins at Toll Bar Road, 2A at Grangetown, and the 2, 2A and 39s leave at Vilette Road. Equally, is there much need for Old Durham Road to have 14 bph into Newcastle (18 if you add the X1)? I don't know the area too much but it seems a pretty similar situation to me, yet I don't see many people bringing it up. Thing is, all those services connect Sunderland with somewhere else and it just happens that in most cases, Ryhope Road is the quickest and most convenient route. Having said that, diverting some journeys on the 60 (as a 60A or 62 also going to Murton) via QA Road to the Hospital wouldn't hurt anyone, and frankly a direct bus from Murton/Seaham to the hospital would be very useful. Also the 60 needs to be at least every 12 minutes, it's just too busy otherwise, especially if there's a cancellation.
Having 2 operators on one corridor never benefits anyone though really, it's the same with the Coast Road. It's ridiculous how many buses there are between Ryhope/Leechmere and Sunderland though, there's no need for 19 buses an hour in parts which I believe it is in normal times excluding the Stagecoach 10/11 and X6.
Similar there's no need for 11 buses from West Seaham to Sunderland either.
(13 Sep 2022, 5:18 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]I think there is only 9, 5 60's, 2 61's, 1 22, 1 23.Might be true from what you've seen but it isn't - there's been a couple of times I've been on a 61 playing leap frog with an arriva bus.
Like I stated before 22/23 don't pick up anyone between Dalton Park and Sunderland. so really its 7.
Clearly there is a need for the 60/61 at 6, Hopefully back upto 7 per hour at the end of October. I don't think the 22/23 will go back upto every 15 mins, I think the 22 Might, but not the 23. Realistically 22/23/24 would all be ran by GNE. Especially the Sunderland to Durham part