North East Buses

In regards to X34 return to South shields I think the 4 original “SP60” E400s are transferring back over so there is no disruption to scholars services currently served by the 2 ex Newcastle examples

(06 Nov 2022, 7:57 am)Mr Alx300 22062 NK54 BFF wrote [ -> ]Any idea of when the CAZ is happening up in Newcastle?

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(10 Nov 2022, 7:34 pm)Youngymmv wrote [ -> ]In regards to X34 return to South shields I think the 4 original “SP60” E400s are transferring back over so there is no disruption to scholars services currently served by the 2 ex Newcastle examples

I don't think they're Euro 6, tho they could be.

(10 Nov 2022, 7:03 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote [ -> ]I wonder if these will see off the ALX300s rather than sending them to Teesside?

Doubt it, the ALX300 routes don't need Decker's nor do any of the single decker routes in Newcastle.

Imagine they will leave the region to replace ALX400's elsewhere.

(10 Nov 2022, 12:39 pm)ne14ne1 wrote [ -> ]“BREAKING NEWS: Stagecoach have ordered 200 new @ADLbus Enviro400MMCs that will replace older buses in the fleet in: Oxford, Manchester, Yorkshire, Preston, Northampton, Mansfield, Portsmouth, Chichester, Winchester, Torquay, Folkestone and Newcastle”

https://twitter.com/cbwtweets/status/1590674256433598466?s=46&t=EEVe5v8rsI6XXJAgszgD4w

i can understand Newcastle and Manchester, i know Portsmouth has a CAZ coming as well but Portsmouth, Winchester and Chichester have had a decent few deliveries over the past decade,

for example, 2012,2014 and 2019 i think double decker wise, they replaced a lot of older tridents with various batches of the ex-Newcastle (56 plate I believe) E400 tridents, some 07 ex Newcastle E400s, and a few 08 ex Manchester E400s.  

oxford again I am surprised as they had a rather young fleet and i think they have had deliveries recently as some of their 2010 hybrids recently transferred to Manchester.

i can understand Northampton as they have I think around 20 04 plate tridents which are still going strong. although i would have used cascades from Manchester and maybe Newcastle to oust the tridents as 200 buses between 12 areas isn't going to stretch far. probably around 16 or 17 buses each if there's an equal distribution

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I wonder if these will see off the ALX300s rather than sending them to Teesside?

not sure if I’m honest but if Stocktons MMC batch go up to Newcastle maybe they’ll send the rest of the ALX300 and possibly a few man E300s like the 09 platers or these new Cumbria ones to go with the alx300

(10 Nov 2022, 7:03 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote [ -> ]I wonder if these will see off the ALX300s rather than sending them to Teesside?

What's Teesside going to get in place of their 200MMCs that're coming up then?

I think getting new buses I? At Stockton depot that why E200 mmc going to Newcastle I? If I am right

(12 Nov 2022, 3:42 pm)glen wrote [ -> ]I think getting new buses I? At Stockton depot that why E200 mmc going to Newcastle I? If I am right

I was under the impression Newcastle are getting Stockton's MMCs for the CAZ, and Newcastle was sending their ALX300s to replace them.

Why didn't they go Newcastle in first place? Why now

(12 Nov 2022, 4:52 pm)glen wrote [ -> ]Why didn't they go Newcastle in first place? Why now

Maybe because other places than Newcastle need investment and like new buses?

Yeah cuz stocktons fleet was really unreliable then

(12 Nov 2022, 7:02 pm)Lollist wrote [ -> ]Yeah cuz stocktons fleet was really unreliable then

not really, Stockton had the 2014 and 2015 batches of E300s which i think all in all added up to nearly 50 buses, Newcastle before they got the 16?? 66 plate MMCs was palmed off with the 5 2008 E300s as replacements for the 2005 E300s, and also the 7 or maybe 8 kinetics, stagecoach being stagecoach dispensed with a lot of half decent ALX300s as a result before they realised that the replacements weren't all that good

(10 Nov 2022, 12:39 pm)ne14ne1 wrote [ -> ]“BREAKING NEWS: Stagecoach have ordered 200 new @ADLbus Enviro400MMCs that will replace older buses in the fleet in: Oxford, Manchester, Yorkshire, Preston, Northampton, Mansfield, Portsmouth, Chichester, Winchester, Torquay, Folkestone and Newcastle”

https://twitter.com/cbwtweets/status/1590674256433598466?s=46&t=EEVe5v8rsI6XXJAgszgD4w

So far reported on various other forums and Facebook groups are:

• 14 for Northampton to cover their services 1/2 to decker operation, replacing single deckers - due in May/June
  
• 23 for Preston for the 125 (Preston to Bolton via Chorley), replacing 24 Gold-spec Scania N230UD/Alexander Dennis Enviro400 from 2015
  
• Unknown number for Folkestone for service 16 (Hythe to Canterbury via Folkestone)
  
• 20 for Sheffield Holbrook depot, likely to displaced Enviro400Hs from either the 52 (Woodhosue to Crookes or Hillsborough via the City Centre) or the 120 (Halfway Tram Stop to Ranmoor or Fulwood via Crystal Peaks, Manor Top, City Centre and Hallamshire Hospital), and allow the replacement of the remaining Euro4 MAN 18.240/Alexander Dennis E300s at the various depots in the division (should only be the ex-West Scotland 2418x examples remaining - their transfer was due to them being Euro6, required for the Rawmarsh Hill CAZ) - due during the Summer
  

That's 57 with confirmed homes, leaving 143 to split between 9 depots.

(13 Nov 2022, 3:28 am)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]not really, Stockton had the 2014 and 2015 batches of E300s which i think all in all added up to nearly 50 buses, Newcastle before they got the 16?? 66 plate MMCs was palmed off with the 5 2008 E300s as replacements for the 2005 E300s, and also the 7 or maybe 8 kinetics, stagecoach being stagecoach dispensed with a lot of half decent ALX300s as a result before they realised that the replacements weren't all that good

Agree with this, tbh the ALX300's have to be one of the best in the fleet, shows they dont make buses like they used to

(13 Nov 2022, 11:06 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]So far reported on various other forums and Facebook groups are:

• 14 for Northampton to cover their services 1/2 to decker operation, replacing single deckers - due in May/June
  
• 23 for Preston for the 125 (Preston to Bolton via Chorley), replacing 24 Gold-spec Scania N230UD/Alexander Dennis Enviro400 from 2015
  
• Unknown number for Folkestone for service 16 (Hythe to Canterbury via Folkestone)
  
• 20 for Sheffield Holbrook depot, likely to displaced Enviro400Hs from either the 52 (Woodhosue to Crookes or Hillsborough via the City Centre) or the 120 (Halfway Tram Stop to Ranmoor or Fulwood via Crystal Peaks, Manor Top, City Centre and Hallamshire Hospital), and allow the replacement of the remaining Euro4 MAN 18.240/Alexander Dennis E300s at the various depots in the division (should only be the ex-West Scotland 2418x examples remaining - their transfer was due to them being Euro6, required for the Rawmarsh Hill CAZ) - due during the Summer
  

That's 57 with confirmed homes, leaving 143 to split between 9 depots.

Folkestone service 16 has a PVR of 9 (so say 10 for them, including 1 spare)

(13 Nov 2022, 11:06 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]So far reported on various other forums and Facebook groups are:

• 14 for Northampton to cover their services 1/2 to decker operation, replacing single deckers - due in May/June
  
• 23 for Preston for the 125 (Preston to Bolton via Chorley), replacing 24 Gold-spec Scania N230UD/Alexander Dennis Enviro400 from 2015
  
• Unknown number for Folkestone for service 16 (Hythe to Canterbury via Folkestone)
  
• 20 for Sheffield Holbrook depot, likely to displaced Enviro400Hs from either the 52 (Woodhosue to Crookes or Hillsborough via the City Centre) or the 120 (Halfway Tram Stop to Ranmoor or Fulwood via Crystal Peaks, Manor Top, City Centre and Hallamshire Hospital), and allow the replacement of the remaining Euro4 MAN 18.240/Alexander Dennis E300s at the various depots in the division (should only be the ex-West Scotland 2418x examples remaining - their transfer was due to them being Euro6, required for the Rawmarsh Hill CAZ) - due during the Summer
  

That's 57 with confirmed homes, leaving 143 to split between 9 depots.

i might just be biased but i think the 14 buses for Northampton for increasing capacity should be cascades from other areas, can almost guarantee that SNE  wouldn't receive new buses to do the same

(14 Nov 2022, 1:14 am)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]i might just be biased but i think the 14 buses for Northampton for increasing capacity should be cascades from other areas, can almost guarantee that SNE  wouldn't receive new buses to do the same

Why? Stagecoach Midlands fleet is antique - it's desperate for investment. I'm assuming they'll be seeing off ALX400's or Dennis Darts. 

The 1/2 appear to ran by Deckers already though.

(14 Nov 2022, 10:22 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]Why? Stagecoach Midlands fleet is antique - it's desperate for investment. I'm assuming they'll be seeing off ALX400's or Dennis Darts. 

The 1/2 appear to ran by Deckers already though.

Having lived in Northampton myself, i know this as fact, the 1 was always popular then, the 2 at the time was ran by first but was still popular, a few others aswell when with first was the 5/5B, 29/30, and stagecoach's 7, 9, and 16, most likely all changed since when i lived there

(14 Nov 2022, 10:22 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]Why? Stagecoach Midlands fleet is antique - it's desperate for investment. I'm assuming they'll be seeing off ALX400's or Dennis Darts. 

The 1/2 appear to ran by Deckers already though.

to be honest I'm inclined to disagree agree because of two reasons, firstly SNE was always a lot higher in the league tables for profitably than midlands, but the northeast hasn't always benefitted from their profits.

secondly as for the antique part yes, they have quite a few older buses however the oldest double decks in the midlands division i believe are the 2004 tridents, only 3 years older than SNEs oldest double decks however, because of our problems with E200s SNE have actively been acquiring darts. and thirdly i know SNE is the only division still using ALX300s in passenger service, there's around 20 ranging from 2003 reg I think up to the 2007 models, while in the meantime other divisions are using 2007/2008 E300s as DTVs. 

I'm not saying Northampton shouldn't receive investment but when SNE as a serious money maker is using what it has, with low-capacity buses routinely getting used on busy services because the current fleet of Deckers is struggling i think they should get a bigger bite of the cherry they helped to grow

could use the 24 Gold-spec Scania N230UD/Alexander Dennis Enviro400 from 2015 displaced from Preston, although they wouldn't be a bad boost for the northeast either

(14 Nov 2022, 8:16 pm)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]to be honest I'm inclined to disagree agree because of two reasons, firstly SNE was always a lot higher in the league tables for profitably than midlands, but the northeast hasn't always benefitted from their profits.

secondly as for the antique part yes, they have quite a few older buses however the oldest double decks in the midlands division i believe are the 2004 tridents, only 3 years older than SNEs oldest double decks however, because of our problems with E200s SNE have actively been acquiring darts. and thirdly i know SNE is the only division still using ALX300s in passenger service, there's around 20 ranging from 2003 reg I think up to the 2007 models, while in the meantime other divisions are using 2007/2008 E300s as DTVs. 

I'm not saying Northampton shouldn't receive investment but when SNE as a serious money maker is using what it has, with low-capacity buses routinely getting used on busy services because the current fleet of Deckers is struggling i think they should get a bigger bite of the cherry they helped to grow

could use the 24 Gold-spec Scania N230UD/Alexander Dennis Enviro400 from 2015 displaced from Preston, although they wouldn't be a bad boost for the northeast either

In fairness though your mixing DD and Singles up, there's no routes that realistically need an upgrade to Decker's in the North East regardless to what people say. Maybe we might see a single order soon which might push out some of the oldest buses in the network instead.

Depending how many decker's come up here most the 58 Plates could be gone from front line service.

Say something like

10x New Buses - 12
10x New Buses - 38
2x New Spares - 12, 38, 62, 63, 39, 40
12x 60 Plates - 1, Spare
E400 Hybrids - 18, 22, X63, Spares

It's easily doable and there's more than enough there - I believe those PVR's are right there abouts.

Mind it'll be interesting to see where the 19 Enviro 200's from Inverness end up as they'd make a good dent in removing the Enviro 200 MAN's especially considering there's some the same age as Hartlepool's (60 Plate) and the rest are the same age as Sunderland's / South Shields' give or take (63/64 Plate)

(14 Nov 2022, 8:48 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]In fairness though your mixing DD and Singles up, there's no routes that realistically need an upgrade to Decker's in the North East regardless to what people say. Maybe we might see a single order soon which might push out some of the oldest buses in the network instead.

Depending how many decker's come up here most the 58 Plates could be gone from front line service.

Say something like

10x New Buses - 12
10x New Buses - 38
2x New Spares - 12, 38, 62, 63, 39, 40
12x 60 Plates - 1, Spare
E400 Hybrids - 18, 22, X63, Spares

It's easily doable and there's more than enough there - I believe those PVR's are right there abouts.

Mind it'll be interesting to see where the 19 Enviro 200's from Inverness end up as they'd make a good dent in removing the Enviro 200 MAN's especially considering there's some the same age as Hartlepool's (60 Plate) and the rest are the same age as Sunderland's / South Shields' give or take (63/64 Plate)

i do think you could justify maybe say for example at slatyford upscaling 5 of the E200s for 300s, and maybe 4 of the 300s for 400s.

walkergate could do with 2 double decks back in return for the 60 plates at Stockton. the E services sound like they could benefit from a handful of 400s and at Stockton you could probably justify 5 double decks in the place of 5 of the singles

(14 Nov 2022, 9:32 pm)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]i do think you could justify maybe say for example at slatyford upscaling 5 of the E200s for 300s, and maybe 4 of the 300s for 400s.

walkergate could do with 2 double decks back in return for the 60 plates at Stockton. the E services sound like they could benefit from a handful of 400s and at Stockton you could probably justify 5 double decks in the place of 5 of the singles

Possibly could use some of the 58 plates maybe to do that which will go spare which will see some of the older Singles off, displacing stuff around you'd get a fair chunk of the worst out.

(14 Nov 2022, 10:08 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Possibly could use some of the 58 plates maybe to do that which will go spare which will see some of the older Singles off, displacing stuff around you'd get a fair chunk of the worst out.

that was my thought, 58 plates on less intensive routes or with a slightly greater amount of spares. for example 5 E400s on an upscaled route would only oust 4 E300s so you have that one spare vehicle

(12 Nov 2022, 4:36 pm)F114TML wrote [ -> ]I was under the impression Newcastle are getting Stockton's MMCs for the CAZ, and Newcastle was sending their ALX300s to replace them.

Is this move happening then?

(15 Nov 2022, 6:50 pm)Mr Alx300 22062 NK54 BFF wrote [ -> ]Is this move happening then?

I highly doubt it as newcastles getting new mmcs next year

(15 Nov 2022, 8:46 pm)Dyllan7817 wrote [ -> ]I highly doubt it as newcastles getting new mmcs next year

not single decks

Looks like Sunderland are having a nightmare with their deckers now they've lost 3 of them to Shields- 2 school boards were operated by gas buses this morning due to 19114, 19440 and 19642 being VOR and then 19444 breaking down. According to bus times it appears 10643 is on loan to Sunderland operating the Sedgefield board this afternoon and to top it off it looks like 19383 has broken down at Team Valley with 19211 being sent to replace it.

(17 Nov 2022, 5:09 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote [ -> ]Looks like Sunderland are having a nightmare with their deckers now they've lost 3 of them to Shields- 2 school boards were operated by gas buses this morning due to 19114, 19440 and 19642 being VOR and then 19444 breaking down. According to bus times it appears 10643 is on loan to Sunderland operating the Sedgefield board this afternoon and to top it off it looks like 19383 has broken down at Team Valley with 19211 being sent to replace it.

19387 is here as well. Shields have again used an E200 on morning peak X34, twice this week now.

(17 Nov 2022, 5:09 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote [ -> ]Looks like Sunderland are having a nightmare with their deckers now they've lost 3 of them to Shields- 2 school boards were operated by gas buses this morning due to 19114, 19440 and 19642 being VOR and then 19444 breaking down. According to bus times it appears 10643 is on loan to Sunderland operating the Sedgefield board this afternoon and to top it off it looks like 19383 has broken down at Team Valley with 19211 being sent to replace it.

just shows older vehicles being used on peak services, should blag the 24 15-reg Scanias from Preston to bulk up Newcastle services, first 15 at walkergate to cascade older vehicles to slatyford to get their services in order, next 5 to be used as walkergate spares until the 15-reg buses reliability can be judged, once that has been done if they are good cascade the 5 oldest buses on to Sunderland and finally the last 4 used to cascade the 2 ex Stockton E300s and finally 2 spare.

once the 400 MMCs have been allocated and delivered, depending on numbers, i would say 20 should be earmarked for the bulk of 62/63 services at slatyford. I  sure the slatyford PVR is 20 for this. with any remaining cascading older vehicles.