(17 Jan 2024, 11:22 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]The kids, mostly going to the college on Durham Road I guess, which I assume it the purpose for the long 18's(18A) still existing?
It gets a lot of St Aiden's kids too, as well as a fair few for Sandhill View and Hill View (Grangetown), also a few people who work at the industrial sites by the QA Bridge. It's not unusual for that morning 18A to be standing room only at points on a schoolday, particularly if it's a 39000 doing it.
(17 Jan 2024, 9:15 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]It's a bit bizarre route, comes across as a route designed 50 year ago and never really changed with stuff changing around it.
It's changed a fair bit over the years to be fair. Back in the day it used to be decker operated on a 20 min frequency in both directions (circular with 19) with an evening and Sunday service too. The route has changed, particularly in Grindon/Springwell (oddly abandoning the bit of Springwell Road where it was the only service, now just unused shelters outside the health centre etc), and the cut of the Durham Road/Kayll Road bit, as well as the Town/Grangetown/Leechmere/Tunstall limb which went years ago. Some of the changes happened way back when the old Service 6 was withdrawn and the 18/19 revised to replace it in part. Others more recent.
(17 Jan 2024, 11:30 am)F114TML wrote [ -> ]It gets a lot of St Aiden's kids too, as well as a fair few for Sandhill View and Hill View (Grangetown), also a few people who work at the industrial sites by the QA Bridge. It's not unusual for that morning 18A to be standing room only at points on a schoolday, particularly if it's a 39000 doing it.
The old Service 6 mentioned above used to carry crazy loads at peak school times and unless it was decker operated or duped (which did happen back then) would regularly leave loads standing so not surprised the 18A can still be heaving at that end of the route.
I remember the old 6/7 which used to be a reliable place to find H-BNL Olympians until they were dispersed around Stagecoach NE in 2001/2002. Though the one or two that remained at Sunderland would still pop up now and again on the service.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9868604651
(19 Jan 2024, 1:50 am)stagecoachbusdepot wrote [ -> ]It's changed a fair bit over the years to be fair. Back in the day it used to be decker operated on a 20 min frequency in both directions (circular with 19) with an evening and Sunday service too. The route has changed, particularly in Grindon/Springwell (oddly abandoning the bit of Springwell Road where it was the only service, now just unused shelters outside the health centre etc), and the cut of the Durham Road/Kayll Road bit, as well as the Town/Grangetown/Leechmere/Tunstall limb which went years ago. Some of the changes happened way back when the old Service 6 was withdrawn and the 18/19 revised to replace it in part. Others more recent.
Never knew it was as frequent as that, mind can remember the loop. It's a shame that the BSIP couldn't work with it and do something useful with it tbh. Sort of route which could be actually be useful if it was maybe adjusted to serve different areas like Springwell Road you mentioned, know the stops, you're talking about.
(25 Jan 2024, 3:32 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Never knew it was as frequent as that, mind can remember the loop. It's a shame that the BSIP couldn't work with it and do something useful with it tbh. Sort of route which could be actually be useful if it was maybe adjusted to serve different areas like Springwell Road you mentioned, know the stops, you're talking about.
I remember when stagecoach cancelled the 18/19 on a Sunday, but there choosed to do it on the queens birthday weekend, so from that Saturday until Wednesday morning there was no 18/19 running (Sunday was date it was cancelled, Monday was a bank holiday, and it was a Sunday service on the Tuesday due to the queen birthday). The axe of the originally 18/19 was due to Stagecoach streamlining all there bus services to make bigger profit margins and forcing passengers to travel via city centre and transfer onto another service to get what there needed to go.
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(25 Jan 2024, 5:30 pm)cbma06 wrote [ -> ]I remember when stagecoach cancelled the 18/19 on a Sunday, but there choosed to do it on the queens birthday weekend, so from that Saturday until Wednesday morning there was no 18/19 running (Sunday was date it was cancelled, Monday was a bank holiday, and it was a Sunday service on the Tuesday due to the queen birthday). The axe of the originally 18/19 was due to Stagecoach streamlining all there bus services to make bigger profit margins and forcing passengers to travel via city centre and transfer onto another service to get what there needed to go.
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Aye doesn't surprise me they done that, I heard the Stagecoach cuts at that time we're pretty disliked. Wasn't really following it but I know it got butchered apart, it's a shame really as not everyone can be bothered to go via Sunderland and stand around in Fawcett Street etc. They're not particularly the nicest places in the world, especially at night.
(25 Jan 2024, 8:16 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Aye doesn't surprise me they done that, I heard the Stagecoach cuts at that time we're pretty disliked. Wasn't really following it but I know it got butchered apart, it's a shame really as not everyone can be bothered to go via Sunderland and stand around in Fawcett Street etc. They're not particularly the nicest places in the world, especially at night.
Back in the early 1980s, the 18/19 (118/119 83-86)forerunner was actually the 121/122 Tunstall Rd to Seaburn ; and the 118 Springwell Rd to Seaburn. The 121/122 ran every 10 mins combined.
(25 Jan 2024, 9:51 pm)Economic505 wrote [ -> ]Back in the early 1980s, the 18/19 (118/119 83-86)forerunner was actually the 121/122 Tunstall Rd to Seaburn ; and the 118 Springwell Rd to Seaburn. The 121/122 ran every 10 mins combined.
Originally in the pte days the 121 ran with the 120 Prestbury Road to town , with the 121 extended from town to tunstall road/grangetown , but then pte decided to divert the 121 to Seaburn with the 122, leaving Prestbury Road to town as the 120 which eventually became the 20 in busways days, noticed on that attachment it has the 109 service which was replaced with the extension of service 537 from north side via A19.
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Been told Stagecoach have the 900 between South Gosforth & Wallsend on the 10th & 11 February
(26 Jan 2024, 1:07 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]Been told Stagecoach have the 900 between South Gosforth & Wallsend on the 10th & 11 February
It is split between multiple operators - Go North East with the majority, and supported by Stagecoach, Arriva and L&G Coaches.
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(26 Jan 2024, 1:53 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]It is split between multiple operators - Go North East with the majority, and supported by Stagecoach, Arriva and L&G Coaches.
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Between South Gosforth and Wallsend, for the whole route? So there will be Arriva buses in Wallsend? All day, or just different operators supporting Go North East at various times?
(26 Jan 2024, 1:58 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]Yes
Thanks. Wasn't sure if JH or GNE were running it.
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(25 Jan 2024, 8:16 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Aye doesn't surprise me they done that, I heard the Stagecoach cuts at that time we're pretty disliked. Wasn't really following it but I know it got butchered apart, it's a shame really as not everyone can be bothered to go via Sunderland and stand around in Fawcett Street etc. They're not particularly the nicest places in the world, especially at night.
I fawcett street where all the bus stops are with the wetherspoons to the south of it and the bridge at the north? If so, after have a few in the spoons i was wafting for the E1/2/6 to shields and 2 cars, i think a Audi rs4 and a merc a45 were racing each other round and round on that street. Was better that F1 but could have done with some ballards. No worse than market street in Newcastle like
(09 Feb 2024, 7:05 pm)Rob44 wrote [ -> ]I fawcett street where all the bus stops are with the wetherspoons to the south of it and the bridge at the north? If so, after have a few in the spoons i was wafting for the E1/2/6 to shields and 2 cars, i think a Audi rs4 and a merc a45 were racing each other round and round on that street. Was better that F1 but could have done with some ballards. No worse than market street in Newcastle like
Aye, that's the Northbound street, then it's John Street the next one across for Southbound buses which imo is ever worse. Lovely architecture round there mind, but that's as far as it goes.
It's rough as that Wetherspoon's aswell, Cooper Rose is by far the better out of the two
(09 Feb 2024, 4:38 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]Oooo interesting
BSIP is proving to be interesting. Will get even more interesting once there’s a NE Combined Authority Mayor. Hopefully better than the Tees CA mayor. To be fair, Tyne and Wear has always been more progressive than Co Durham and Cleveland. I live in the Tees CA , from
Sunderland.
(09 Feb 2024, 4:35 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]New 787 service from Newcastle to the Airport - no details on what route it will take
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/619824/
I wonder if this has something to do the Peter Hogg dropping the 131 for the new X74 which from looking does not serve Newcastle Airport like the 131 did and is bypassing like the X78 does.
Looks like we are also seeing service cuts/re-registrations of services with lost links being propped up a with **New Service** which essentially duplicates what already, likelihood is this 787 will not last long and we will see the X74 or X78 serve Newcastle Airport which would be the better more cost effective option all round, I would also extend the X78 down to Central Station to provide connections from the Airport to Regional/National Rail Services.
Other alternatives I'd suggest would be extending the existing Stagecoach X87/X88 from Westerhope to Newcastle Airport via Callerton, this would provide those in Callerton a direct express bus service as currently they have a limited Go North East 74 Service, I'd have suggested extending the 63 however as we all know this service is long enough as it is in it's current formot.
(09 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]I wonder if this has something to do the Peter Hogg dropping the 131 for the new X74 which from looking does not serve Newcastle Airport like the 131 did and is bypassing like the X78 does.
Don't understand why you'd think that considering the 131 only ran a couple times a day (if that) and wouldn't have been used by passengers travelling from, say, Cowgate to the Airport due to its infrequency.
(09 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]I wonder if this has something to do the Peter Hogg dropping the 131 for the new X74 which from looking does not serve Newcastle Airport like the 131 did and is bypassing like the X78 does.
Looks like we are also seeing service cuts/re-registrations of services with lost links being propped up a with **New Service** which essentially duplicates what already, likelihood is this 787 will not last long and we will see the X74 or X78 serve Newcastle Airport which would be the better more cost effective option all round, I would also extend the X78 down to Central Station to provide connections from the Airport to Regional/National Rail Services.
Other alternatives I'd suggest would be extending the existing Stagecoach X87/X88 from Westerhope to Newcastle Airport via Callerton, this would provide those in Callerton a direct express bus service as currently they have a limited Go North East 74 Service, I'd have suggested extending the 63 however as we all know this service is long enough as it is in it's current formot.
I have a feeling that more services will serve the area when the roads are complete. There's a new loop being build, what buses they'll be who knows though. The 71/72/87 would probably be the best though to get in there somehow.
https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/sites/defau...16_web.pdf - Plans are in there, and it hasn't changed as far as I'm aware (note the 63 extension which happened).
(09 Feb 2024, 10:40 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]I have a feeling that more services will serve the area when the roads are complete. There's a new loop being build, what buses they'll be who knows though. The 71/72/87 would probably be the best though to get in there somehow.
https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/sites/defau...16_web.pdf - Plans are in there, and it hasn't changed as far as I'm aware (note the 63 extension which happened).
Hasn’t the 63 already been extended to Callerton? Or are you referring to something else?
(09 Feb 2024, 11:12 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]Hasn’t the 63 already been extended to Callerton? Or are you referring to something else?
I believe Storx is referring to roads which may act as a thoroughfare once the development is completed. Although plans sometimes change as time goes passes and unforseen (usually costly) challenges are discovered, it appears a road will exist between the Newbiggin Hall/Bank Foot interchange of the A696 that will run through the northern parts of the development (Upper and Middle Callerton) ending at the new roundabout at the top of North Wallbote Road. As the development is quite expansive (for the North East anyway), I imagine, at the very least, the 63 will find probably its way towards Bank Foot and, perhaps, onto either Kingston Park or the Airport.
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(09 Feb 2024, 11:12 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]Hasn’t the 63 already been extended to Callerton? Or are you referring to something else?
Yeah there's 3 extensions planned on the plans:
- East Middle Callerton, which is the 63 one
- Lower Middle Callerton, which I assume will be the 62 or 71 or even both rather them turning around.
- Callerton loop all around, which could be multiple services. It can only really realistically be the 71/87 or X87/X88 on an extented route, but it'll leave one end of the Newbiggin Hall scrapped, if they do the second.
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That's the diagram there, light blue dotted lines are new routes. The 63 being the little loop one to the right of the East Middle Callerton label.
Mind you could split the X87/X88 loop here and extend it with potentially just one bus (shouldn't take longer than 10 minutes) and should deal with it, quite the potential to gain a few passengers from it. Who knows though, it's the most sensible one though without seriously reducing links.
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(09 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]I wonder if this has something to do the Peter Hogg dropping the 131 for the new X74 which from looking does not serve Newcastle Airport like the 131 did and is bypassing like the X78 does.
Looks like we are also seeing service cuts/re-registrations of services with lost links being propped up a with **New Service** which essentially duplicates what already, likelihood is this 787 will not last long and we will see the X74 or X78 serve Newcastle Airport which would be the better more cost effective option all round, I would also extend the X78 down to Central Station to provide connections from the Airport to Regional/National Rail Services.
Other alternatives I'd suggest would be extending the existing Stagecoach X87/X88 from Westerhope to Newcastle Airport via Callerton, this would provide those in Callerton a direct express bus service as currently they have a limited Go North East 74 Service, I'd have suggested extending the 63 however as we all know this service is long enough as it is in it's current formot.
I believe the 787 will be along the same lines at the 777 and could run through the night too
(10 Feb 2024, 11:14 am)MurdnunoC wrote [ -> ]I believe Storx is referring to roads which may act as a thoroughfare once the development is completed. Although plans sometimes change as time goes passes and unforseen (usually costly) challenges are discovered, it appears a road will exist between the Newbiggin Hall/Bank Foot interchange of the A696 that will run through the northern parts of the development (Upper and Middle Callerton) ending at the new roundabout at the top of North Wallbote Road. As the development is quite expansive (for the North East anyway), I imagine, at the very least, the 63 will find probably its way towards Bank Foot and, perhaps, onto either Kingston Park or the Airport.
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(10 Feb 2024, 11:19 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]Yeah there's 3 extensions planned on the plans:- East Middle Callerton, which is the 63 one
- Lower Middle Callerton, which I assume will be the 62 or 71 or even both rather them turning around.
- Callerton loop all around, which could be multiple services. It can only really realistically be the 71/87 or X87/X88 on an extented route, but it'll leave one end of the Newbiggin Hall scrapped, if they do the second.
That's the diagram there, light blue dotted lines are new routes. The 63 being the little loop one to the right of the East Middle Callerton label.
Mind you could split the X87/X88 loop here and extend it with potentially just one bus (shouldn't take longer than 10 minutes) and should deal with it, quite the potential to gain a few passengers from it. Who knows though, it's the most sensible one though without seriously reducing links.
Ah okay that makes sense cheers, I didn't get a chance to look at the document so that's a useful summary.
(10 Feb 2024, 12:11 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]Ah okay that makes sense cheers, I didn't get a chance to look at the document so that's a useful summary.
No worries, I came across it a few month back when looking for where on earth the 63 was going since, at the time, there wasn't a bus stop in the area.
That's the Newbiggin Hall side of the development plans btw in more detail -
https://www.taylorwimpey.co.uk/new-homes...-callerton
Quite a sizeable development as MurdunoC said, 1,6k homes, and that's only that quadrant, so probably in their interest to actually serve it.
(09 Feb 2024, 6:18 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]More changes have appeared from the same day:
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24th March by anychance?, the 37/38 would tie in with GNE and their changes to the Rocket Services
Also please no more mucking around with the 62/63, its going to be in the mud at this rate, ideally they need another service to work hand in hand with the 62/63
(10 Feb 2024, 12:20 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]No worries, I came across it a few month back when looking for where on earth the 63 was going since, at the time, there wasn't a bus stop in the area.
That's the Newbiggin Hall side of the development plans btw in more detail - https://www.taylorwimpey.co.uk/new-homes...-callerton
Quite a sizeable development as MurdunoC said, 1,6k homes, and that's only that quadrant, so probably in their interest to actually serve it.
I'm struggling to imagine an operator going and actually serving a housing development.
Kudos to them.